My opinion on Groves as a person has gone down......

[The_Don1]

Groves was offered a £1m+ gurantee plus bolt ons from PPV sales.

He flatly turned it down.

When Froch took £150k to fight Jermain Taylor who was on three times that amount as challenger, in f*cking America - to make his own name.

Now the IBF ruling has came in, the purse splits for someone outside the Top 3 is a paltry 15% , so will earn far less than the offer if he refuses and it goes to sealed envelopes.

But were promotional options included with that £1m+ offer?

[JimJim2009]

Groves was offered a £1m+ gurantee plus bolt ons from PPV sales.

He flatly turned it down.

When Froch took £150k to fight Jermain Taylor who was on three times that amount as challenger, in f*cking America - to make his own name.

Now the IBF ruling has came in, the purse splits for someone outside the Top 3 is a paltry 15% , so will earn far less than the offer if he refuses and it goes to sealed envelopes.

True, but George himself has said the issue lays with the "stipulations". That means signing options, which ties him to Matchroom.

Buster Douglas got rock all (respectively) to fight Tyson. He got $24m for his first defence, vs Holyfield.

I expect George totally believes he is going to beat Froch next time, and I think its smart of him to look further ahead.

[The_Don1]

Groves was offered a £1m+ gurantee plus bolt ons from PPV sales.

He flatly turned it down.

When Froch took £150k to fight Jermain Taylor who was on three times that amount as challenger, in f*cking America - to make his own name.

Now the IBF ruling has came in, the purse splits for someone outside the Top 3 is a paltry 15% , so will earn far less than the offer if he refuses and it goes to sealed envelopes.

True, but George himself has said the issue lays with the "stipulations". That means signing options, which ties him to Matchroom.

Buster Douglas got rock all (respectively) to fight Tyson. He got $24m for his first defence, vs Holyfield.

I expect George totally believes he is going to beat Froch next time, and I think its smart of him to look further ahead.

Yes that that's real point to discuss - not money for one fight, but options for further fights.

[whiskey]

True, but George himself has said the issue lays with the "stipulations". That means signing options, which ties him to Matchroom.

Buster Douglas got rock all (respectively) to fight Tyson. He got $24m for his first defence, vs Holyfield.

I expect George totally believes he is going to beat Froch next time, and I think its smart of him to look further ahead.

Douglas won via KO.

Groves went home via KO.

Also one was the biggest name in boxing, in the heavyweight golden era.

Absolutely gargantuan difference here. Groves did well, gave Froch a hell of a fight - but the poll on this very forum was a complete WHITEWASH in favour of Froch stoppage, with less than 5% picking Groves by stoppage if Foster hadn't ceased the action.

Yet people say "but Froch was more hurt in round 1 than Groves was" - ok, so if he is such a knockout artist, how come barely anyone thought he would have stopped Froch in the poll ?

The truth is opening up now, Groves has turned down a payday that is greater than all his previous professional fights added together, despite being TKO9 in the previous fight.

[JimJim2009]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

[The_Don1]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Gomez knows a lot about the deal offered to Groves, but hasn't disclosed the options?

Come on Gomez as you know so much, please enlighten us with the full story.

[whiskey]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Gomez knows a lot about the deal offered to Groves, but hasn't disclosed the options?

Come on Gomez as you know so much, please enlighten us with the full story.

I'm discussing the situation with genuine boxing fans first, retards need to get in line.

[The_Don1]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Gomez knows a lot about the deal offered to Groves, but hasn't disclosed the options?

Come on Gomez as you know so much, please enlighten us with the full story.

I'm discussing the situation with genuine boxing fans first, retards need to get in line.

I was hoping you post some kind of shit meme in response? I'm disappointed.

The real issue is options, not money,

[jameswilson]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Gomez knows a lot about the deal offered to Groves, but hasn't disclosed the options?

Come on Gomez as you know so much, please enlighten us with the full story.

I'm discussing the situation with genuine boxing fans first, retards need to get in line.

Don is now in the camp of being your average fan just like the majority of this board who has absolutely no insight of links but acting like some kind of forthmost expert on the negotiations that have taken place.

[crusader]

lol---and which (whose) camp is Gomez in?

[The_Don1]

quote]

Gomez knows a lot about the deal offered to Groves, but hasn't disclosed the options?

Come on Gomez as you know so much, please enlighten us with the full story.[/quote]

I'm discussing the situation with genuine boxing fans first, retards need to get in line.[/quote]



Don is now in the camp of being your average fan just like the majority of this board who has absolutely no insight of links but acting like some kind of forthmost expert on the negotiations that have taken place.[/quote]

1. Hardly

2. You've made a twat of yourself.

3. If you want to suck Eddie, Kuggie or indeed Gomez off you know where to find them.

[jameswilson]

lol---and which (whose) camp is Gomez in?

He obviously has more insight than the majority of us tho.

[crusader]

I'm sure, but it's going to be slanted one way with him.

[jameswilson]

I'm sure, but it's going to be slanted one way with him.

As opposed to being slanted the other way with absolutely no insight and stating opinion as fact?

[The_Don1]

lol---and which (whose) camp is Gomez in?

He obviously has more insight than the majority of us tho.

He's got more insight in to Carl's bumhole than anyone else, that's for sure.

[crusader]

I'm sure, but it's going to be slanted one way with him.

As opposed to being slanted the other way with absolutely no insight and stating opinion as fact?

Did I suggest that he's probably the only biased party? He may know more than other posters here, but that doesn't mean he's presenting it in an unbiased way that reflects what it actually the case.

I'd take what he says with a large grain of salt.

[Final round]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Eddie Hearn must be gnashing his teeth at this. No Stadium, less money and possibly one less champion.

[lillywhite14]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Just out of interest, who is he fighting to pick up a cool million in his first defence?

He going to sign with Matchroom after beating Carl perhaps? That's how he might manage it!

[jameswilson]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Eddie Hearn must be gnashing his teeth at this. No Stadium, less money and possibly one less champion.

You're acting like Groves is a dead cert to win.

The way I see it Groves is the one who comes out of the 90 day thing the worse. Eddie Hearn now has the big bargaining tool of 'ok if you don't want that offer then we go to purse bids and you get 15%.' And if Groves chooses not to go for purse bids then Froch skips away to Vegas for a big payday and Groves goes where?

That's how I see it and I'll make it clear now if the fight happens and Groves wins I'll be happy because Groves has a long career ahead of him and if Froch wins I'll be happy because it means we will see him in more fights later in the year.

[Final round]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Eddie Hearn must be gnashing his teeth at this. No Stadium, less money and possibly one less champion.

You're acting like Groves is a dead cert to win.

[JimJim2009]

George was very happy at the IBF's decision today, and patted himself on the back for his patience. You can be sure he knows of the 85/15% split. I imagine he would gladly take 15% of whatever, and remain a free agent.

Pick up a 7 digit sum in his first defence later in the year

Just out of interest, who is he fighting to pick up a cool million in his first defence?

He going to sign with Matchroom after beating Carl perhaps? That's how he might manage it!

I plucked the figure out of thin air just to make a point, if I'm being honest. At the same time, if he were to dethrone Froch in front of tens of thousands of fans in another thriller, I imagine the first defence would be very lucrative. He'd be the new star of British boxing at world level. He would certainly pick up that sort of money in a rubber match with Froch...

[mickey1975]

Groves was offered a £1m+ gurantee plus bolt ons from PPV sales.

He flatly turned it down.

When Froch took £150k to fight Jermain Taylor who was on three times that amount as challenger, in f*cking America - to make his own name.

Now the IBF ruling has came in, the purse splits for someone outside the Top 3 is a paltry 15% , so will earn far less than the offer if he refuses and it goes to sealed envelopes.

Froch hardly had options at that time though, did he? The Taylor fight didn't even get live television coverage in the UK, WBC belt or not.

[Yes We Can]

Groves is playing a dangerous lottery, but i think he is showing total self belief i his ability to win the return bout.

If he wins the belt for a smaller sum than was originally offered there will be promotional offers from the UK, Germany and most likely even America after beating Carl.

If he loses he will have to rebuild from scratch, but there will still be offers there for him albeit massively reduced.

I think he is making the right choice, but only time will tell.

[mickey1975]

Groves, for me, is just playing the game the way he has learned in the Hayemaker camp all those years. Haye gave no one options, Mormeck, Enzo or Wlad. It's very bold of George, but will pay off in style IF he can beat Froch.

[stevek3lly]

I would love to see the fight happen and think it would end in the same way groves stopped. I have never liked groves and don't think I ever will so wish he would stop trying to think he is popular, because he isn't.

He is deluded if he thought he wasn't on the way to a hiding in the last fight, yeah ref stopped too early but if everyone was honest it saved groves a lot of pain.