Tiger Flowers 'Claws and Dismantles' Harry Greb

[gilgamesh]

[Tomasino]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

[Giancarlo]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

He's unemployed, still lives at home and spends a lot of time, clock in mind, doing important 'research'.

[Tomasino]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

He's unemployed, still lives at home and spends a lot of time, clock in mind, doing important 'research'.

It is quite disturbing. I know most of it is made up but the sheer effort could have been put to some better use. Sad.

[Giancarlo]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

He's unemployed, still lives at home and spends a lot of time, clock in mind, doing important 'research'.

It is quite disturbing. I know most of it is made up but the sheer effort could have been put to some better use. Sad.

He's on a tax-payer-funded 20 year wank session.

His idol Mussolini had some interesting ideas on what to do with such parasites.

[Tomasino]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

He's unemployed, still lives at home and spends a lot of time, clock in mind, doing important 'research'.

It is quite disturbing. I know most of it is made up but the sheer effort could have been put to some better use. Sad.

He's on a tax-payer-funded 20 year wank session.

His idol Mussolini had some interesting ideas on what to do with such parasites.[/quote]

I wish Buzz would take notice of Benito's policies.

[evrenb]

You must have a huge amount of time and medication on your hands.

He's unemployed, still lives at home and spends a lot of time, clock in mind, doing important 'research'.

lol - such an expert!

[klompton]

I dont see how multiple spam posts on the same subject isnt a violation of the rules.

[gilgamesh]

I dont see how multiple spam posts on the same subject isnt a violation of the rules.

I don't either.

[The Great John L]

I dont see how multiple spam posts on the same subject isnt a violation of the rules.

I don't either.

I've avoided engaging in these threads, but I would have to agree. A single topic on Flowers-Greb might result in some decent discussion, but too many of these copied (or fabricated) texts appearing in multiple threads should be controlled.

[gilgamesh]

BAN THIS F*CKING CLOWN!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

[Chuck1052]

During 1926 and before his world middleweight title defense against Tiger Flowers, Harry Greb had three bouts in California. While Greb certainly didn't receive purses in the bouts which were comparable to what he received in his title defense against Flowers, I believe that he received more than $1,500. a bout when facing Ted Moore in Vernon, California and Jimmy Delaney in Oakland, California.

The Vernon Arena in Vernon, California had a reported capacity of 7,000 to 8,500, depending on the source. When there was a capacity crowd, the gate probably would be at least $15,000. if normal prices for tickets were in effect. It was reported that Greb's bout with Moore drew a fine crowd, probably close to capacity. As a reigning world middleweight champion, Greb could have received at least 30% percent of the gate.

According to at least one source, the record gate for a fight show staged at the Oakland Auditorium was about $14,000. during the 1920s. Greb's bout with Delaney drew a fine crowd, according to at least one report.

The remaining 1926 California bout that Greb had was with Buck Holley at the first version of the Hollywood Legion Stadium, which had a capacity of about 4,400. This bout was put together on short notice to replace a scheduled main event which was cancelled. Since there was a rule mandating that a boxer couldn't fight in more than one main event a week in California at the time, Greb had to receive a waiver from the California State Athletic Commission for the bout with Holley. It is interesting to note that the chairman of the commission was Capt. Seth Strelinger, who was involved in the affairs of the American Legion post which staged the Hollywood boxing shows before becoming a member of the commission.

It appears that the bout between Greb and Holley drew a rather small crowd. At the time, a gate when there was a capacity crowd at the Legion Stadium was about $8,000., according to at least one source. I believe that Greb's purse from the bout with Holley was smaller than those he received in the California bouts with Moore and Delaney.

- Chuck Johnston

[Bobbyptsd]

I dont see how multiple spam posts on the same subject isnt a violation of the rules.

I don't either.

Buzz seems to reckon his posts are fairly harmless. I don't agree, for reasons I've expanded upon too much already.

I have to wonder how anyone should get banned if we just adopt a "well, he isn't hurting anyone" approach. I mean sure, he isn't specifically hurting anyone, but is that where the bar is supposed to be? Is there no standard of, you know, some kind of integrity?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You'd have to wipe out half of the CS if posting misinformation was a 'crime'. It's a thread about Tiger Flowers and Harry Greb.

[Bobbyptsd]

I think there's a significant difference between saying, for example:

" I think Floyd Mayweather sucks, he's gay, he hasn't fought anyone and isn't even the junior middleweight champion"

and:

"Floyd Mayweather said: 'I couldn't care less about baskets of puppies, I like to throw them out of windows, I don't care about the fans either and I hate white people"

A bit cartoony for the sake of an example, but I think the type of difference is obvious, especially when the person constantly makes threads solely for that sort of purpose.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think there's a significant difference between saying, for example:

" I think Floyd Mayweather sucks, he's gay, he hasn't fought anyone and isn't even the junior middleweight champion"

and:

"Floyd Mayweather said: 'I couldn't care less about baskets of puppies, I like to throw them out of windows, I don't care about the fans either and I hate white people"

A bit cartoony for the sake of an example, but I think the type of difference is obvious, especially when the person constantly makes threads solely for that sort of purpose.

I don't get it, there are a couple of cool pictures and Chuck made an excellent post.

[Bobbyptsd]

Well, I'm speaking more to his posting history in general.

To be fair, I'm not even in BOTP all that much, if the people here like his sort of thing, I suppose that's their business.

[BoxBuzz]

I dont see how multiple spam posts on the same subject isnt a violation of the rules.

I don't either.

Buzz seems to reckon his posts are fairly harmless. I don't agree, for reasons I've expanded upon too much already.

I have to wonder how anyone should get banned if we just adopt a "well, he isn't hurting anyone" approach. I mean sure, he isn't specifically hurting anyone, but is that where the bar is supposed to be? Is there no standard of, you know, some kind of integrity?

Well no, integrity is not required, as this is not "journalism"....if you want that, buy Klompton's book.
This forum is akin to folks sittin on the porch chewin' on a straw, and shootin' the shyt. So unless he breaks a rule, I'm afraid I can't accost him. I sort of wish this was about integrity, and credibility, but no, I'm afraid it really is not.

You seem to be doin' ok in the bullshit detection dept, so my guess is you are still breathin'.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Well, I'm speaking more to his posting history in general.

To be fair, I'm not even in BOTP all that much, if the people here like his sort of thing, I suppose that's their business.

It's not about liking, it's about what's right. These are internet posts, it's not a fact finding mission.

[Bobbyptsd]

I know it's a forum, but there's still a difference between holding certain views which could be seen as "untrue", and going out of the way to blatantly lie as much as possible, which is what I was trying to illustrate with my little example up there.

As far as what's "right", well, that's all interpreted in a pretty liberal fashion by the mods, as we've seen several times in the past.

But, of course, that's up to them.

[Bobbyptsd]

@Buzz

My response to what you said, would pretty much amount to the response I just wrote to Saad. No, this isn't an Algonquin round table, but one would figure there might kind of be a limit in the B.S. department, where it's crossing over from just talking , to being disingenuous and "spammy", if you'll forgive the colloquialism.

But again, that's up to your judgement, just throwing my 2 cents in, as I have in the past. Don't think I'm really brining anything new, so I'll try to limit that in this case.

[lefty]

Bobby does make a good point though, if there's information that Duce is spreading that is outright lies, isnt that going into the realm of Slander? I mean if outright lies were being spouted in terms of Quotes and allegations in the CS, about Floyd for example *I mean outright slanderous accusations* i'm sure those posts would be deleted and the posted warned or something. Is it because a lot of these fighters are either dead or very old and thus not relevant anymore that there's more leeway being shown?

[raylawpc]

Bobby does make a good point though, if there's information that Duce is spreading that is outright lies, isnt that going into the realm of Slander? I mean if outright lies were being spouted in terms of Quotes and allegations in the CS, about Floyd for example *I mean outright slanderous accusations* i'm sure those posts would be deleted and the posted warned or something. Is it because a lot of these fighters are either dead or very old and thus not relevant anymore that there's more leeway being shown?

You cannot libel or slander a dead person.

[klompton]

Well, I'm speaking more to his posting history in general.

To be fair, I'm not even in BOTP all that much, if the people here like his sort of thing, I suppose that's their business.

It's not about liking, it's about what's right. These are internet posts, it's not a fact finding mission.

I guess I hold/held the forum to a higher standard. After all this is BoxRec which was designed to weed out the bullshit and post factual records etc. Its a little strange though that forums with less of a reputation than BoxRec have banned El Douche numerous times in his various forms yet the admins here continue to put up with his obvious spamming and trolling. This slavish devotion to the so-called rules has pretty much driven this forum away from a format of serious debate and discussion to place where you have three options: 1. check on the inane mythical matchups, 2. try to educate people on the bullshit that El Douche makes up. 3. Debate the merits of the previous two options with the only two people on the forum that seem to have twisted interest in defending them. You and Box can be those two, and defend his right to post all you want by claiming its not journalism etc but the vast majority of boxing fans, particularly history fans, get their news in this era from the internet and by and large a lot of that comes from forums. Print media has been going the way of the dodo for a decade now and therefore when forums such as this begin to fill that gap its extremely important to have a very low tolerance for people like El Douche who are literally make it up as they go along to suit their agenda. Its not like hes simply twisting facts, hes literally making up quotes, inventing events, lying about statistics, ages of people, even their fornicating names. Its ridiculous and frankly I think its making this forum a laughing stock. Ive seen a lot of bad posters in my day but I cant recall ever seeing a poster have so many people lobbying for his dismissal. That fact alone should be a wakeup call to the admin and give a clue to how detrimental he is. This is above and beyond the fact that he is in violation of the rules on an hourly basis:

2. No hyperlinks without a summary. Please post an abstract of your article and allow people to decide if it's worth clicking on your link.

(You can pretend he posts abstracts but nine times out of ten if you actually take the time to read his links they have nothing to do with what hes posted)

3. NO TROLLING

10. USE THE SEARCH FEATURE BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD. CHECK TO SEE IF THERE IS A PREVIOUS THREAD ON YOUR TOPIC. REDUNDANT THREADS WILL BE DELETED.

I dont know. Since the mod apparently has a soft spot on this maybe John needs to be brought in. Its his forum and Id be amazed if someone who seems like an extremely logical and even minded straight shooter would be happy about this garbage.

[Bobbyptsd]

Yeah that's basically my point Lefty. I couldn't make 6 posts on the CS saying I don't like, let's say Mikey Garcia in this example, without getting blasted pretty roundly, and probably getting warned for repetitive threads, if not a temporary ban.

6 posts of outright Il Duce style fanfiction about Mikey Garcia? Hell, I doubt I'd make it to the third one before I was shown the door.

Now multiply that dozens and dozens, hundreds really, of times.

But I digress, I already said I'd shut up about it