Tommy Morrisson v. Ruslan Chagaev

[Vladimir5555]

Who takes it?

[The Great John L]

Morrison by wide decision.

[gilgamesh]

I think Morrison would win this one pretty clearly. Possibly by KO.

[Vladimir5555]

Morrisson RTD 7

[dempseyfire]

If Morrison doesn't stop him early he's toast. And as Chagaev has a pretty solid chin, I don't think he does. Chagaev by late TKO.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Morrison by stoppage or wide decision. Ruslan is very average.

[drunkenpiper36]

On the surface this looks like a very winnable fight for Morrison ( and probably is. ) But Tommy also blew hot and cold. I watched a great deal of his fights during the 90's and there were nights when he looked positively devastating, while also vulnerable on others. My jaw dropped when he was stopped by Bentt in one round. His HBO battle with Carl " The Truth" is sort of a mini classic in my mind. Williams was past it, but showed up in good form and trouble Tommy with that trip hammer of a jab he had, and even decked a time or two. Chagaev wasn't spectacular. But he was tricky as well as durable. My money would probably go on the Duke, but I wouldn't risk a whole lot on it.

[AngryGoon38]

"Morrison-Bent" was a Great example of the "3 Kd's=Tko" Rule being Overall,Quite Absurd,at least in the Grand Scene of things overall in Boxing. If the Guy pops right up after being decked a third time in a given round,and is obviously just fine,then give em the benefit of the doubt,this isnt Kiddy Gloves or something,Geez !

"Moore-Durelle" is a Great example of why getting Knocked down 3 times in a given round means nothing else but being decked 3 times in a given round,provided the one getting decked pops right up after the 3rd Kd and seems just fine and ready and able to keep battling away. :geek2:

With all that said,I'd say,in a typical prime vs prime scenario,Morrison by 5th round Tko in a thrilling Brawl/Slugfest.

[jehu]

Morrison to win UD or maybe KO.

[drunkenpiper36]

"Morrison-Bent" was a Great example of the "3 Kd's=Tko" Rule being Overall,Quite Absurd,at least in the Grand Scene of things overall in Boxing. If the Guy pops right up after being decked a third time in a given round,and is obviously just fine,then give em the benefit of the doubt,this isnt Kiddy Gloves or something,Geez !

Morrison was not in that fight at all and you could see it in his face. Bent was all over him and Tommy wasn't arguing when the ref stopped the contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoHOXdvWKc

[Tuan_Jim]

Chagaev was fat, slow, lacked heart and guts (except in the literal sense).

Morrison bangs him around & makes him quit on his stool, probably with no issues at all. If Chagaev sticks around he gets laid down wasted.

[AngryGoon38]

"Morrison-Bent" was a Great example of the "3 Kd's=Tko" Rule being Overall,Quite Absurd,at least in the Grand Scene of things overall in Boxing. If the Guy pops right up after being decked a third time in a given round,and is obviously just fine,then give em the benefit of the doubt,this isnt Kiddy Gloves or something,Geez !

Morrison was not in that fight at all and you could see it in his face. Bent was all over him and Tommy wasn't arguing when the ref stopped the contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoHOXdvWKc

He wasnt going to argue,he knew the fight was lawfully over after the 3rd Kd,was well aware of the 3 kd rule i'm sure. He just looked very disappointed that he let himself be knocked down 3 times,but didnt look particularly hurt.

[drunkenpiper36]

"Morrison-Bent" was a Great example of the "3 Kd's=Tko" Rule being Overall,Quite Absurd,at least in the Grand Scene of things overall in Boxing. If the Guy pops right up after being decked a third time in a given round,and is obviously just fine,then give em the benefit of the doubt,this isnt Kiddy Gloves or something,Geez !

Morrison was not in that fight at all and you could see it in his face. Bent was all over him and Tommy wasn't arguing when the ref stopped the contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoHOXdvWKc

He wasnt going to argue,he knew the fight was lawfully over after the 3rd Kd,was well aware of the 3 kd rule i'm sure. He just looked very disappointed that he let himself be knocked down 3 times,but didnt look particularly hurt.

I won't argue what the guy was feeling at the time. But it didn't look in any way shape or form like he was going to win that match. Stopping that fight might have prolonged his career.

[Tuan_Jim]

Bentt was extremely fragile. Wouldn't have surprised me if Morrison had gone down twice more, recovered between rds and whacked Bentt in the 2nd or 3rd.

[dempseyfire]

Chagaev lacked heart and guts (except in the literal sense).
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Based on what? Chagaev has always shown heart and toughness throughout his career, as well as a dependable chin. He also in his prime had fairly quick hands and was definitely technically far better schooled than Morrison. I think most are picking Morrison with rose-tinted glasses than with their heads. Style-wise Tommy does not match up well with a well-schooled southpaw with a good chin.

[Tuan_Jim]

Chagaev lacked heart and guts (except in the literal sense).
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Based on what? Chagaev has always shown heart and toughness throughout his career, as well as a dependable chin. He also in his prime had fairly quick hands and was definitely technically far better schooled than Morrison. I think most are picking Morrison with rose-tinted glasses than with their heads. Style-wise Tommy does not match up well with a well-schooled southpaw with a good chin.

Disagree, think Morrison is much better schooled than Chagaev. Morrison came to dig deep & go to war. Chagaev came to waddle around & potshot. He couldn't hurt John Ruiz who was old & not durable, was utterly pathetic vs Klitschko, never challenged him in any way, ate jabs all night looking petrified then quit on his stool with his big belly when Klit finally started to push for the stoppage.

Chagaev was/is totally average and very lazy versus anyone still breathing.

[The Great John L]

Chagaev lacked heart and guts (except in the literal sense).
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Based on what? Chagaev has always shown heart and toughness throughout his career, as well as a dependable chin. He also in his prime had fairly quick hands and was definitely technically far better schooled than Morrison. I think most are picking Morrison with rose-tinted glasses than with their heads. Style-wise Tommy does not match up well with a well-schooled southpaw with a good chin.

I also would not question his heart, but I don't think Chagaev has as good a handspeed as Morrison had, and Morrison did prove in several fights that his footwork was actually pretty good while to me Chagaev has always looked somewhat limited in his footwork. You're also not pointing out the difference in power between the two. Morrison had a number of KOs of world class HWs, while Chagaev has consistently displayed a power shortage against anyone better than the Calloway and Zumbruns of the world.

I don't think there are any rose tinted glasses here, because despite his shortcomings, Morrison delivered in a big way in several fights against top fighters. I'm not trying do downplay decision wins over Valuev and Ruiz, but wins over Foreman, Williams and Ruddock just looks a lot more impressive to me and I think shows a better pedigree.

[drunkenpiper36]

Disagree, think Morrison is much better schooled than Chagaev. Morrison came to dig deep & go to war. Chagaev came to waddle around & potshot. He couldn't hurt John Ruiz who was old & not durable, was utterly pathetic vs Klitschko, never challenged him in any way, ate jabs all night looking petrified then quit on his stool with his big belly when Klit finally started to push for the stoppage.

Chagaev was/is totally average and very lazy versus anyone still breathing.

Hard to disagree with this.

[evrenb]

Morrison knocks him out...or stoppage. Ruslan has never impressed me...

[pound per pound]

Chagaev lacked heart and guts (except in the literal sense).
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Based on what? Chagaev has always shown heart and toughness throughout his career, as well as a dependable chin. He also in his prime had fairly quick hands and was definitely technically far better schooled than Morrison. I think most are picking Morrison with rose-tinted glasses than with their heads. Style-wise Tommy does not match up well with a well-schooled southpaw with a good chin.

I don't always agree with Dempseyfire, but when I do! He is correct. Morrison was nearly upset by southpaw Joe Hipp, who at best was top 15-20 type of fighter.

Chagaev prior to his illness was a quality heavyweight with skills, durability, an some power.

[Tuan_Jim]

You're using a fight where Tommy Morrison came through a broken jaw and a broken hand to spectacularly splatter his opponent against Morrison?

Morrison showed more heart, guts, and balls in nine rounds versus Joe Hipp than Chagaev did his whole career.

Even when Morrison was hopelessly outclassed, against Lennox Lewis, he was trying to decap his opponent right to the finish. Not like Ruslan Chagaev, who would have meekly quit on his stool.

[The Great John L]

You're using a fight where Tommy Morrison came through a broken jaw and a broken hand to spectacularly splatter his opponent against Morrison?

Morrison showed more heart, guts, and balls in nine rounds versus Joe Hipp than Chagaev did his whole career.

Even when Morrison was hopelessly outclassed, against Lennox Lewis, he was trying to decap his opponent right to the finish. Not like Ruslan Chagaev, who would have meekly quit on his stool.

Agreed. I'm struggling to understand what a few other posters are seeing in Chagaev. He's a poster child for whats wrong with the HW division now. He has few notable accomplishments in his career, inconsistent conditioning, and despite the White Tyson nickname, at best mediocre power.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're using a fight where Tommy Morrison came through a broken jaw and a broken hand to spectacularly splatter his opponent against Morrison?

Morrison showed more heart, guts, and balls in nine rounds versus Joe Hipp than Chagaev did his whole career.

Even when Morrison was hopelessly outclassed, against Lennox Lewis, he was trying to decap his opponent right to the finish. Not like Ruslan Chagaev, who would have meekly quit on his stool.

Chagaev has always been mediocre. For some reason a lot of people like to pretend he isn't.

[dempseyfire]

You're using a fight where Tommy Morrison came through a broken jaw and a broken hand to spectacularly splatter his opponent against Morrison?

Morrison showed more heart, guts, and balls in nine rounds versus Joe Hipp than Chagaev did his whole career.

Even when Morrison was hopelessly outclassed, against Lennox Lewis, he was trying to decap his opponent right to the finish. Not like Ruslan Chagaev, who would have meekly quit on his stool.

Chagaev showed took more leather vs Klitschko than Morrison ever could've . . .I don't really care if he would've fought more stupidly and wailed haymakers prior to getting KTFO.

People keep saying Chagaev is mediocre, but Morrison is one of the most over-rated fighters on this board. As chubby as Chagaev was, his conditioning was definitely superior to Morrison, who normally was gasping for air by the 5th. When his stamina went downhill, his hand-speed followed and footwork? Pluueeeze, he'd become a flatfooted sitting duck on the inside.

Chagaev was a Olympian and AM standout who defeated Felix Savon. He wasn't a huge puncher but definitely had enough power to hurt Morrison. He also showed a very good beard, good punch variety, timing, and toughness/ring tenacity. Morrison was the flashier fighter and of course more the fan favorite compared to the more technical, laboring Chagaev but it's extremely improbable Morrison is knocking him out early. It's is probable that as Morrison fatigues in the middle rounds, Chagaev will be nailing him with flush left hands and also working over Morrison's body.

Look at Tommy's best wins; he's not going to be just mummy-walking not throwing punches like Foreman, doesn't have the glass jaw of Williams, and won't just stand and sloppily slug like Ruddock (and Morrison was fairly lucky to win that fight). Chagaev, with far more overall boxing experience, fights smarter when he's tired than Morrison did. Chagaev will take over in the middle rounds and either win a decision or take out Morrison late.

[AngryGoon38]

You're using a fight where Tommy Morrison came through a broken jaw and a broken hand to spectacularly splatter his opponent against Morrison?

Morrison showed more heart, guts, and balls in nine rounds versus Joe Hipp than Chagaev did his whole career.

Even when Morrison was hopelessly outclassed, against Lennox Lewis, he was trying to decap his opponent right to the finish. Not like Ruslan Chagaev, who would have meekly quit on his stool.

Agreed. I'm struggling to understand what a few other posters are seeing in Chagaev. He's a poster child for whats wrong with the HW division now. He has few notable accomplishments in his career, inconsistent conditioning, and despite the White Tyson nickname, at best mediocre power.

Good Post. I'd say Chagaev vs Yuri Vaulin(Both southpaws) would be a 50-50 fight. Morrison Ko'd Vaulin while fighting with a badly bruised hand.