Michael Moorer v Herbie Hide

[Flump]

I'm not sure why Hide gets dismissed because of claims that he didn't beat anyone decent. If thats the case you could also dismiss Gerry Cooney.

Hide could really whack and was very quick. Its a toss up fight for me but I wouldn't rule Hide out, his power could hurt someone like Moorer.

Hide was a classic school bully, every time he got hit back he lost, he makes Mike Tyson (who I am a fan of) look like Matt Saad Muhammad.

[Tuan_Jim]

I'm not sure why Hide gets dismissed because of claims that he didn't beat anyone decent. If thats the case you could also dismiss Gerry Cooney.

Gerry Cooney lost with credit to one of the greatest ever heavyweight champions.

Herbie Hide crapped his pants against the only two men of note he ever dared fight.

Even the old guys Cooney pulverized were still built like Greek Gods. The one old guy of note Herbie Hide beat, TNT Tucker, looked like he was going to a fancy dress party dressed as TNT Tubbs.

[Tuan_Jim]

I'm not sure why Hide gets dismissed because of claims that he didn't beat anyone decent. If thats the case you could also dismiss Gerry Cooney.

Hide could really whack and was very quick. Its a toss up fight for me but I wouldn't rule Hide out, his power could hurt someone like Moorer.

Hide was a classic school bully, every time he got hit back he lost, he makes Mike Tyson (who I am a fan of) look like Matt Saad Muhammad.

Exactly what Flump says. I used to be a neighbour of Herbie Hide's trainer. I've heard all about Hide's extreme mental weakness from a close up source. Another Hide trainer, Jim McDonell, said '10 weeks from the fight Hide would be the toughest man in the world. As the fight came closer all his doubts would creep in and he would start to become frightened and erratic.'

This is a man calling out Lennox Lewis from the safety of Norwich where he was beating up Willi Fisher and Damon Reed. But when he was in with a Lennox type fighter, Bowe, he crapped himself. This is a man viciously hammering novice sparring partners in public then crying against Vitali Klitschko. Danny Williams knocked him clean out with headguards and big gloves.

Hide had zero defence, zero punch resistance, clumsy technique. The way he fell apart versus Klitschko and Chingangu was beyond pathetic. You can't get by on a big punch versus Moorer, Moorer is too well-rounded. And I can't see Hide surviving an ass kicking like Foreman to turn the tables.

[Vladimir5555]

Hide knock out TNT Tucker

Vladimir Vladimir Vladimir.

Tony Tucker was a totally washed up 40 year old drug addict who had lost his last three big fights in a row, vs Seldon, Akinwande, and Norris.

Herbie Hide did not fight the prime Tony Tucker who fought Mike Tyson. The prime Tony Tucker who fought Mike Tyson would KO Herbie Hide in 1.

Yes)).But he Knock out him.This guys don*t can knock out him)).

I agree prime TNT knock him out early)).

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Moorer would thrash Cooney too if that makes you feel better.

Doesn't make any difference to me, just a stupid argument to use. What top fighters did Razor Ruddock ever beat? A few old timers but that was it. Does't mean he wasn't a dangerous fighter. Hide had a punchers chance against Moorer whose chin wasn't grade A.

Razor Ruddock beat Dokes, Smith, Page, Weaver, etc..

I didn't use that argument anyway, but I don't think it's without validity.Not that you have to "beat" a top fighter to show you can compete at that level. Hide wasn't in Moorer's class, I don't dispute that he could hurt or floor him but I have even less doubt that MM would get up and whip his ass. Even as a shot old man Moorer never lost to anyone at Hide's level.

[Vladimir5555]

Moorer beat Cooper and Alex Stewart.This guys better punchers than Hide

[jehu]

Two big punchers ,Moorer wins UD or mid to late KO.Moorer was a class above Herbie. Hide has a punchers chance but so does moorer ,both had b grade chins but Moorer got more grit and got many times from a knock down and still went back to war.

[polecateddy]

Bowe rated Hide as a puncher. And Moorer's power didn't really compare at heavyweight. He could be a bit plodding, but was the better 12 round fighter. Both obviously had very suspect chins. This would be a big fight, and I imagine the occasion would get to Hide a little. I imagine he would shoot his bolt early, and probably have Moorer hurt, floored and badly hurt, before running out of gas and Moorer coming from behind for the dramatic stoppage win. Maybe a little like Pele Reid v Michael Sprott! Lol

[jehu]

Moore had power at heavyweight.

[polecateddy]

Moore had power at heavyweight.

It was overrated. Fights like a 12 round wear you down type job on Botha being a case point. There was little explosive power. Too much of the wrong type of bulked up mass.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He wasn't bulked up, at Light Heavyweight he was boiled down.

[polecateddy]

He wasn't bulked up, at Light Heavyweight he was boiled down.

He spent a lot of time on the weights and protein powders, and generally had the appearance of a bulked up heavyweight, similarly to the soft-ish Chris Bryd.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He wasn't bulked up, at Light Heavyweight he was boiled down.

He spent a lot of time on the weights and protein powders, and generally had the appearance of a bulked up heavyweight, similarly to the soft-ish Chris Bryd.

[Bobbyptsd]

I'm going to go with the general flow and say Moorer here. As Saad pointed out, Hide had power enough to floor Micheal, assuming MM doesn't get to him first, but then he's just got to deal with the problem that Micheal Moorer is now getting back up and coming for him. It's not an enviable position.

[dempseyfire]

He wasn't bulked up, at Light Heavyweight he was boiled down.

He spent a lot of time on the weights and protein powders, and generally had the appearance of a bulked up heavyweight, similarly to the soft-ish Chris Bryd.

I actually have to agree with polecat for once in my life. Moorer always looked softish at Heavyweight; he grew out of light HW but in real top shape would've been around 190, not 215.

[The Great John L]

I actually have to agree with polecat for once in my life. Moorer always looked softish at Heavyweight; he grew out of light HW but in real top shape would've been around 190, not 215.

Agreed, but he'd still stop Hide 9 times out of 10.

[energie]

Michael Moorer to KO Hide and then Hide to cry and quiver in his usual fashion after the fight. Moorer showed serious guts versus Bert Cooper and Evander Holyfield (particularly the rematch) that Hide never showed, ever.

Hide had no chin, no heart, no wins of any note whatsoever. How can any normal person pick him over anyone?

who did moorer beat other than holyfield with a bad ticker plus he got ko'd when he got caught ,i'm not a moorer fan

who did hide ever beat?? moorer beat stewart/mike white/billups/cooper/shultz/botha/bean/...........stevedoc you must be very young doesnt sound like you know the past all that well and oh ya who did hide ever beat??

[energie]

i'd pick hide , i think herbie could win this either on the out side or get the early ko ...hide had bowe hurt i'm sure he could the same to moorer and finish him.

moorer was a southpaw with a thudding jab/ wouldnt happen bro

[energie]

Hide knock out TNT Tucker

mr wlad how old was tony tucker when hide beat him sir????

[Carlos Danger]

who did moorer beat other than holyfield with a bad ticker plus he got ko'd when he got caught ,i'm not a moorer fan

You're badly misinformed. Holyfield's 'bad ticker' was a misdiagnosis of a problem that occurred in hospital after the fight.

Moorer beat Evander Holyfield, Bert Cooper, Frans Botha, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart. He beat Bonecrusher Smith who could still whack and crushed Vasily Jirov when basically shot.

But beating Evander Holyfield is enough.

Herbie Hide beat nobody.

Whether you're a fan or not should not influence your judgement.

Thanks, It's good to hear creds given to Moorer. He just never got into the pysche of the boxing public and it's too bad. As a Light Heavyweight and heavyweight he went 26-0 26 KO's going the distance wiht a guy that outweighed him by 50 lbs and 6'10". Eventually he outgutted Evander Holyfield for heavyweight title.

[polecateddy]

He beat Michael Bent just after Bent blew out Tommy Morrison. That was probably his peak.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

who did moorer beat other than holyfield with a bad ticker plus he got ko'd when he got caught ,i'm not a moorer fan

You're badly misinformed. Holyfield's 'bad ticker' was a misdiagnosis of a problem that occurred in hospital after the fight.

Moorer beat Evander Holyfield, Bert Cooper, Frans Botha, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart. He beat Bonecrusher Smith who could still whack and crushed Vasily Jirov when basically shot.

But beating Evander Holyfield is enough.

Herbie Hide beat nobody.

Whether you're a fan or not should not influence your judgement.

Thanks, It's good to hear creds given to Moorer. He just never got into the pysche of the boxing public and it's too bad. As a Light Heavyweight and heavyweight he went 26-0 26 KO's going the distance wiht a guy that outweighed him by 50 lbs and 6'10". Eventually he outgutted Evander Holyfield for heavyweight title.

Didn't he have White out at the end of that fight? Saved by the bell? It's been a long time, I might be imagining that.

[drunkenpiper36]

I'll go with Michael Moorer to score the stoppage sometime between rounds 4-7. But I wouldn't be surprised if this turned into a war with both men kissing the canvas more than once. Hide's resume was thin on quality wins, but that doesn't take away the fact that he could crack and that he usually showed up in great condition. He also looks better on film than his resume might suggest. He hospitalized and nearly killed Michael Bentt who had just lambasted Morrison and had a few good moments against Bowe, so no way is this a walk in the park for Moorer. Michael was more proven in fights against top men in the division than Hide was and survived adversity on more than one occasion to get the "W".. Not sure that Hide ever did.

[drunkenpiper36]

Eventually he outgutted Evander Holyfield for heavyweight title.

I followed Michael Moorer closely both as a light heavyweight as well as a heavy. He was exciting to watch, and around 1989 I would have picked him to unify the light heavyweight title ( Hill would have been a tough match ), but unfortunately that never came to pass. I agree that winning the crown against Holyfield was a good feat and I don't want to take that away from him. But looking back on that fight in 1994, Holyfield really looked like sh-t. I'm not sure I believe that heart condition claim, but he was definitely fighting with a bum shoulder and possibly some other issues. Just didn't seem like himself that night, yet he still made it a close fight and even decked Moorer once. Still, Michael's run as a professional was admirable and he's probably was one of the more underrated men of the 90's. In any case I picked him to beat Hide.

[drunkenpiper36]

Didn't he have White out at the end of that fight? Saved by the bell? It's been a long time, I might be imagining that.

Yeah Mike White was basically toast. I haven't seen that fight since it aired in the early 90's either, and I can't remember if it was on the USA Tuesday night fights network or if it was ESPN. But Moorer had him down and hurt multiple times. White actually had a few good moments in the early rounds of that match, but basically it was a shutout.