joe frazier of 1971 vs larry holmes of 1980??

[energie]

how does this one go
personally mike weaver gave holmes fits and a past prime norton gave holmes hell so in my opinion 1971 joe frazier gives larry holmes a 15 rd beatdown..frazier via 15 rd dec...no problem

[Tomasino]

Prime for prime it's the hardest fight of Larry's first career...I would say Holmes by gruelling SD15. Anything less than FOTC Frazier and Holmes takes it more comfortably.

[Carlos Danger]

Holmes, Holmes a million times Holmes.

[Duch]

I think Holmes UD

[Tuan_Jim]

Holmes is not better than Muhammad Ali. Frazier grinds out the UD, punishing Holmes down the stretch.

[stevedoc]

so this is basicly when both fighters beat Ali . holmes is better fighter than frazier with the style to beat him it's just the timing you have a peak frazier vs a young holmes who is yet to reach his prime .
i'm still going with holmes here to take a points win 9/6

[The Great John L]

Holmes barely got by a slightly past it Norton, and Frazier was a lot more intense and a harder puncher. Frazier by late stoppage.

[Duch]

Holmes is not better than Muhammad Ali. Frazier grinds out the UD, punishing Holmes down the stretch.

But Ali won with Frazier twice. Maybe 1971 was the best year for Frazier but not for Ali. Don't forget about it.

I think Holmes would be more dangerous for Frazier than Ali. He would keep him in the distance and throw lethal jabs. And he hadn't problems with strong punchers. Larry won with Shavers twice and won with Cooney. And we don't know how would look like a fight between prime Holmes and prime Ali. I'm not so sure that Ali would win. On the other hand I'm not sure that Holmes would win. This is very difficult to say. Beside this, styles make fights. There is no such a rule which could tell you that if A beats B and B beats C, then A beats C. So, I think that saying that he would loose because "Holmes is not better than Muhammad Ali." is not appropriate.

I love Frazier. He's one of my best boxers to watch. But I think a lot of people overrate him. Boxing is always boxing and everything could be possible in the ring so I'm not saying that Frazier would have no chance to win this but we consider this in an abstract way and I think that more things argue for Holmes.

[stevedoc]

Holmes is not better than Muhammad Ali. Frazier grinds out the UD, punishing Holmes down the stretch.

But Ali won with Frazier twice. Maybe 1971 was the best year for Frazier but not for Ali. Don't forget about it.

I think Holmes would be more dangerous for Frazier than Ali. He would keep him in the distance and throw lethal jabs. And he hadn't problems with strong punchers. Larry won with Shavers twice and won with Cooney. And we don't know how would look like a fight between prime Holmes and prime Ali. I'm not so sure that Ali would win. On the other hand I'm not sure that Holmes would win. This is very difficult to say. Beside this, styles make fights. There is no such a rule which could tell you that if A beats B and B beats C, then A beats C. So, I think that saying that he would loose because "Holmes is not better than Muhammad Ali." is not appropriate.

I love Frazier. He's one of my best boxers to watch. But I think a lot of people overrate him. Boxing is always boxing and everything could be possible in the ring so I'm not saying that Frazier would have no chance to win this but we consider this in an abstract way and I think that more things argue for Holmes.

the bloke jim doesn't seem to have a clue about styles of fighters i think he just looks at records and who's beat who and picks the guy with the most wins

[drunkenpiper36]

Its anyone's fight. But my inclination is to lean towards Larry Holmes.

Joe Frazier gave 3 incredible performances against Muhammad Ali. But Muhammad of the 70's was not the same version as the 60's rendition. More importantly, Ali showed a weakness for the left hook his entire career, which was Frazier's chief weapon and not a particularly useful one against Holmes, who's achilles heel was the right hand. Holmes was good at tying men up on the inside and had a very effective uppercut that Joe would be subject to getting nailed with when coming in and bobbing and weaving. Getting Larry up against the ropes would be a bad idea. While Frazier was very good at slipping the jab, he'd also be getting tagged by one of the very best of all time in that department. I'm also inclined to believing that Holmes had just a tad more snap to his punches than Ali. Larry was also well accustomed to going 15 rounds and took a shot as good as anybody.. Joe's work rate, hand speed, heart and constant movement would make this one of the toughest perhaps even THEE toughest fight of Holmes' career. Both men are exhausted by the end of this battle with a fair amount of damage sustained in both corners.

Holmes via very close decision or late stoppage. But I say this with no real conviction.

[evrenb]

This match up was posted before . . I think as I did then that Frazier's style all wrong for Larry. Frazier destroys Holmes' body and wears him down. Frazier's late surge will punish Larry until the end of 15 rounds. Frazier by unanimous decision. Very few could have ever defeated Joe. Only some of the big fast starters and prime Ali.

Evren

[Tuan_Jim]

the bloke jim doesn't seem to have a clue about styles of fighters i think he just looks at records and who's beat who and picks the guy with the most wins

Wow, the guy who got laughed out of the Michael Moorer/Herbie Hide thread is now taking shots at me. The man who thinks because Roy Jones can shimmy & jive against a handpicked opponent must mean that he is a better fighter than Gene Tunney and Harry Greb. This is sort of like when the gimp kid at school tries stand up for himself.

Steve, I challenge you to prove what you just wrote about me. If you cannot prove what you just wrote about me, it will confirm the general impression that you are as retarded as your juvenile writing & facile thought process indicates.

[stevedoc]

the bloke jim doesn't seem to have a clue about styles of fighters i think he just looks at records and who's beat who and picks the guy with the most wins

Wow, the guy who got laughed out of the Michael Moorer/Herbie Hide thread is now taking shots at me. The man who thinks because Roy Jones can shimmy & jive against a handpicked opponent must mean that he is a better fighter than Gene Tunney and Harry Greb. This is sort of like when the gimp kid at school tries stand up for himself.

Steve, I challenge you to prove what you just wrote about me. If you cannot prove what you just wrote about me, it will confirm the general impression that you are as retarded as your juvenile writing & facile thought process indicates.

your very quick with the insults but don't like it back .......interesting :) :) :)

[Tuan_Jim]

So in other words you can't back up what you said. There's a surprise.

[energie]

Holmes barely got by a slightly past it Norton, and Frazier was a lot more intense and a harder puncher. Frazier by late stoppage.

totally agree with you holmes barely got by a past prime norton and in 71 frazier was on fire

[energie]

This match up was posted before . . I think as I did then that Frazier's style all wrong for Larry. Frazier destroys Holmes' body and wears him down. Frazier's late surge will punish Larry until the end of 15 rounds. Frazier by unanimous decision. Very few could have ever defeated Joe. Only some of the big fast starters and prime Ali.

Evren

this man knows his stuff

[elmersalsa]

I just cannot see the great Larry Holmes beating someone as relentless as the great Joe Frazier. Smokin Joe will win this fight.

[energie]

Smokin Joe Frazier

1967......... Lighting quick, and with power in both fists. An improving defense.

1968......... Very quick, and with increased power.

1969......... The complete package, quickness with power, and a 'registered lethal weapon' the left hook.

1970 ........ Left-hand happy, and willing to exchange 3-to-1 in punches. Defense is thrown out the door.
1970......... Joe 'breaks right ankle' in April 1970. He's never the same with foot quickness, and has a difficult time backing up.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... b6P6kRUlrA

1970......... Joe loses his 'once' unmatched quickness.

1971 ........ Joe gives up on defense, and focuses on a one-way direction, which is 'forward only'.'
1971......... Uses left-hook as his only weapon.

ya whatever you say= joe frazier even jab his way to get in on ali/ and the body punching wow

[Tomasino]

Joe Frazier '1971' vs. Larry Holmes '1980'

Clearly Larry Holmes,

Larry had too much left jab, and just enough movement to keep Joe from barreling in and slamming
in those wide hooks without getting tagged repeatedly.

Larry never had any trouble fending off left hooks, especially from a short-armed fighter like the 5' 11"
Smokin Joe.

As a matter of fact, Joe's wide open charge would possibly lead him to being stopped by a TKO in Round 12,
after suffering a closed left-eye from Larry's repeated hammers.

'Boxing News'

"Larry Holmes Scores TKO In 12 Over 'Smokin' Joe In War At Atlantic City"
-The Easton Assassin Slams Joe's Eye Shut, Bout Halted By Commission-

You can't help but add in some fiction can you

[stevedoc]

I just cannot see the great Larry Holmes beating someone as relentless as the great Joe Frazier. Smokin Joe will win this fight.

i just can't see frazier beating holmes ,holmes would do better than ali did vs joe and i think frazier would come out of it a bloody mess after taking so many shots from holmes

[Heartbreak_Kid79]

I think Larry wins a close decision

[Ambling Alp II]

Frazier from about 1968-1975 vs Holmes from about 1978-1983 would have been a great fight. Frazier would have a slight edge, but certainly could go either way.

[elmersalsa]

I just cannot see the great Larry Holmes beating someone as relentless as the great Joe Frazier. Smokin Joe will win this fight.

i just can't see frazier beating holmes ,holmes would do better than ali did vs joe and i think frazier would come out of it a bloody mess after taking so many shots from holmes

Holmes was great, but he was not the great Muhammad Ali.

[Duch]

I just cannot see the great Larry Holmes beating someone as relentless as the great Joe Frazier. Smokin Joe will win this fight.

i just can't see frazier beating holmes ,holmes would do better than ali did vs joe and i think frazier would come out of it a bloody mess after taking so many shots from holmes

Holmes was great, but he was not the great Muhammad Ali.

I'm still saying that it doesn't matter.

[SenorPipino]

A nightful of jabs, some wicked right hands, and some timely clinching would allow Holmes to win a clear 15 round decision.
If Joe's eye begin to swell and close, a late round TKO is not out of the question.