Michael Moorer v Herbie Hide

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I meant he floored him in the closing seconds and White was actually on the canvas at the final bell.

[drunkenpiper36]

I meant he floored him in the closing seconds and White was actually on the canvas at the final bell.

Yes. he was saved by the bell. I also had the network wrong. They fought on HBO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUVnO99Uovc

[Tuan_Jim]

Michael Bentt went into the fight with Herbie Hide damaged goods. He had been suffering blackouts and was knocked out in sparring by King Ipitan. He was advised not to go through with the fight but did anyway, and looked awful.

Still, it took this killer punching Herbie Hide seven rounds to get him out of there.

[drunkenpiper36]

Michael Bentt went into the fight with Herbie Hide damaged goods. He had been suffering blackouts and was knocked out in sparring by King Ipitan. He was advised not to go through with the fight but did anyway, and looked awful.

Still, it took this killer punching Herbie Hide seven rounds to get him out of there.

Moorer would stop him. No question about it. But Hides, conditioning, power and mobility coupled with Moorer's tendency to get tagged and decked, would make it no day at the beach.

[Bodyshot3]

@drunkenpiper....that's a fair analysis. Hide was well capable of giving Bowe the run-around for a few rounds and I could see the same happening against Moorer as well.

But Herbie lacked patience, had a risk-taking/macho style and was just too small to get involved in trading shots with these bigger men. I think he was also a colossal pain in the arse to train and advise and probably ignored some of the good gameplans devised for him. That's why he got so badly crunched against Vitali.....and that loss effectively ended his relevance as a top level heavyweight.

[drunkenpiper36]

@drunkenpiper....that's a fair analysis. Hide was well capable of giving Bowe the run-around for a few rounds and I could see the same happening against Moorer as well.

But Herbie lacked patience, had a risk-taking/macho style and was just too small to get involved in trading shots with these bigger men. I think he was also a colossal pain in the arse to train and advise and probably ignored some of the good gameplans devised for him. That's why he got so badly crunched against Vitali.....and that loss effectively ended his relevance as a top level heavyweight.

Agree on all accounts. But I'd like to comment on your highlighted statement above. Moorer was a former light heavyweight who was hardly the giant that Bowe and Klitschko were, as well as being more knock down and stoppage prone than either of them. I've already given the win to double M, but I stand with my statement that it would be a dangerous fight.

[Heartbreak_Kid79]

Moorer wins by mid-rounds stoppage

[stevedoc]

@drunkenpiper....that's a fair analysis. Hide was well capable of giving Bowe the run-around for a few rounds and I could see the same happening against Moorer as well.

But Herbie lacked patience, had a risk-taking/macho style and was just too small to get involved in trading shots with these bigger men. I think he was also a colossal pain in the arse to train and advise and probably ignored some of the good gameplans devised for him. That's why he got so badly crunched against Vitali.....and that loss effectively ended his relevance as a top level heavyweight.

hide was as big as moorer ,moorer was a lazy light heavy that couldn't make 175 then went up to about 220 ,i don't really see any size difference .

[SamWise72]

Eventually he outgutted Evander Holyfield for heavyweight title.

I followed Michael Moorer closely both as a light heavyweight as well as a heavy. He was exciting to watch, and around 1989 I would have picked him to unify the light heavyweight title ( Hill would have been a tough match ), but unfortunately that never came to pass. I agree that winning the crown against Holyfield was a good feat and I don't want to take that away from him. But looking back on that fight in 1994, Holyfield really looked like sh-t. I'm not sure I believe that heart condition claim, but he was definitely fighting with a bum shoulder and possibly some other issues. Just didn't seem like himself that night, yet he still made it a close fight and even decked Moorer once. Still, Michael's run as a professional was admirable and he's probably was one of the more underrated men of the 90's. In any case I picked him to beat Hide.

Yes, it was an off-form Holyfield, but I hard fought win over an off-form ATG is a lot better than Hide's best win. Remember, too, that whilst 'Vander had come up from cruiser, Moorer was up from LH. It's a huge win even over a struggling Holy. Now compare Hide, whose best wins were over Tony Tucker, who was never quite good enough and was a coke addled wreck by that time, and Michael Bentt, whose only achievement of note was getting a lucky shot on a chinny white guy with no defence. I liked Herbie, he made the fight game more fun, but he's got virtually no chance against Moorer.

[polecateddy]

I think both Hide and Akinwande could have upset Moorer, who was one of the more vulnerable 'mainstream' champions of recent years. Clearly Moorer was heavy protected, and perhaps the crushing second Holyfield loss is reflective of his true abilities.

[drunkenpiper36]

but he's got virtually no chance against Moorer.

I picked Moore to beat Hide too. But saying Hide has no chance or that he couldn't make a fight out if it, isn't something I'll concur with.

[Counter-puncher]

i think the main advantage, stylistically, for Moorer here, is his tight 'proper' technique, opposed to a Hide who would leap in off-balance like a 6'1 Naseem Hamed. Hide could get away with that against inferior fighters, or those lacking his athleticism. as a polished and talented fighter, and one of the more athletic heavyweights you'll see, i think Moorer makes Hide crumble with one of those nicely-leveraged right hooks or inside uppercuts.

[SamWise72]

The Herbie of the Bowe fight makes a go of it, but he's not going to sustain it for the full distance. The Herbie of the Chingangu fight? No chance. Akinwande had the skills to give anyone a really hard night, and probably to beat Moorer, but I'd pick him to freeze.

[Tuan_Jim]

Akinwande couldn't beat anybody top level. When he was challenged he fell apart mentally & physically, exactly like Hide. B class guys he boxes beautifully. He looked good for 2 rds versus Oliver McCall, until the Bull landed a right hand. Immediately that familiar look of terror appeared on his face and he began clinging on, falling around, gasping for breath, until McCall left him facedown in the 10th.

Moorer would put Akinwande in his shell early. So would Holyfield, Bruno, Mercer, Ruddock et al...

[Space Moutain]

You're badly misinformed. Holyfield's 'bad ticker' was a misdiagnosis of a problem that occurred in hospital after the fight.

Moorer beat Evander Holyfield, Bert Cooper, Frans Botha, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart. He beat Bonecrusher Smith who could still whack and crushed Vasily Jirov when basically shot.

But beating Evander Holyfield is enough.

Herbie Hide beat nobody.

Whether you're a fan or not should not influence your judgement.

so basicly a holyfield that atlas said at the time wasn't right.....the others oh please[/quote]

I'm beginning to realise the level of intellect I'm debating with here, but anyway, go on then. If you're dismissing Michael Moorer's opponents then please take us through Herbie Hide's opponents.

One Moorer opponent I omitted, for obvious reasons, was Vaughn Bean. But even when Moorer outpointed Bean he defeated a man who was much more tough, competent and closer to world level than Herbie Hide.[/quote]

I don't think he's nearly as dumb as he appears. Just can't admit to being terribly wrong even after you made it very clear.