Ken Buchanan v. Edwin Rosario

[Vladimir5555]

Who would win and why?

[Autobarn]

come on wlad, don't let us do all the work!

how did Rosario fare vs mobile boxers like howard davis jr & hector Camacho? he was good enough offensively to clip them, hurting them both badly on 2 occasions each - but he was unable to finish either man when they got on their bikes. cue, close win and controversial defeat.

Rosario fared better when mobile/rangy boxers traded with him - see his thrilling win over Anthony jones & also the brisk and punishing first fight with future champ Frankie randall.

rosario's one big advantage over buchanan - his offensive skills. he had the full repertoire, and punched cleanly. many of buchanan's shots were pecking punches and punches with little conviction if he was in jab & grab mode.

buchanan was tougher, and I'd argue fitter & more solid in temperament than Camacho and davis jr. buchanan could also go 15 rds in terrible heat. I'd argue buchanan on points, maybe even if the fight was in Puerto rico!

I would certainly pick the prime buchanan to win on PTS15 or late stoppage because Rosario would tire late. there'd be some scares but i'd go with buchanan to tie up, move, box on his own terms. rosario was kind of an 8 round fighter, at times. he'd have a better chance in a 12 rounder or non title 10 rounder with ken...but the post duran buchanan, the hard luck fighter who was unlucky/robbed, you never know. another thing Rosario has over buchanan, he'd always come back from the surprise defeats with surprise wins, the disappointments with devastating showings. so buchanan would have to be at his absolutely most positive, to get the win that his tools suggest he'd earn.

[Datsue]

Buchanan on points.

But, fvck, would I like to have seen it!

[Autobarn]

You think buchanan'd get wobbled with one of those out of the blue shots Rosario got Camacho and Davis Jr with?

Would Buchanan have been sensible enough to stick & move all the way? Would he have got overconfident during a spell if outboxing Rosario for several rounds - & then get hurt?

I still go with Buchanan because Rosario while having a fine repertoire lacked a Consistent body attack vs an opponent using his legs.

[Autobarn]

very disappointing forum. there's no discussion whatsoever. it's just arbitrarily thrown together name, vs arbitrarily thrown together name - Who Wins?...or So & So's Legacy...and before the thread has chance to go anywhere, there's 10 more threads. it really is dire 'round here.

[Counter-puncher]

I still go with Buchanan because Rosario while having a fine repertoire lacked a Consistent body attack vs an opponent using his legs.

not strictly true mate he beat the bejesus out of Camacho's body every time he got him near the ropes, also did a good job of slowing Randall down with bodyshots (noteable how Randall's movement is limited after about round 5 or 6 when Rosario focusses more on the body)

as it happens I think Buchanan wins this one primarily by virtue of a more consistent output throughout the rounds, albeit rosario's work is more hurtful, I could see Buchnan's move'n'jab tactics meanbng he is getting off first, most often, and i think Buchanan is every bit tough enough, and of course his stamina was fantastic, to take what he had to take in return.

[Autobarn]

I still go with Buchanan because Rosario while having a fine repertoire lacked a Consistent body attack vs an opponent using his legs.

not strictly true mate he beat the bejesus out of Camacho's body every time he got him near the ropes, also did a good job of slowing Randall down with bodyshots (noteable how Randall's movement is limited after about round 5 or 6 when Rosario focusses more on the body)

as it happens I think Buchanan wins this one primarily by virtue of a more consistent output throughout the rounds, albeit rosario's work is more hurtful, I could see Buchnan's move'n'jab tactics meanbng he is getting off first, most often, and i think Buchanan is every bit tough enough, and of course his stamina was fantastic, to take what he had to take in return.

good point v randall 1, who boxed a cute fight, staying pretty much in range. it was good to see Rosario dig the body in the middle stages - that fight was slipping away from him and using the right and the left downstairs set up the strong finish which punctuated the fight for rosario.

one thing about Camacho, who used a huge amount of movement, hector himself criticised Rosario for not being active enough, while Camacho was recovering from rosario's first big onslaught.

I'd definitely go for Rosario to make some dents in the scot. also, how good was Edwin slipping a really persistent jab? could he have done a kind of witherspoon-holmes, where tim kept slipping the jab happy holmes' left, and coming over with crafty rights (and losing an unpopular decision, ultimately)? buchanan looked out of sorts at times vs guts ishimatsu, who was able to get low and avoid many jabs in their controversial fight.

[Counter-puncher]

one thing about Camacho, who used a huge amount of movement, hector himself criticised Rosario for not being active enough, while Camacho was recovering from rosario's first big onslaught.

I'd definitely go for Rosario to make some dents in the scot. also, how good was Edwin slipping a really persistent jab? .

Rosario punched himself out in round 5, clearly. Camacho took rd6 on all cards, i think.

Rosario certainly had enough problems with Randall's jab, and Randall's approach in that fight was a reasonable facsimile of Buchanan's. i think Buchanan takes the same kind of early lead, without the late fade.

[Autobarn]

yeah, randall did jab well. his agenda seemed to be to set up the right cross, his best work in the fight, when he had Edwin backed up.

can't see buchanan going for too many right hands; he'd probably place most emphasis on the jab & I'm not sure rosario'd have enough answers.

think Edwin's best chance would be in a 10 rounder (like the first fight with randall) or, put them in a time machine to the Rosario era mid/late '80s, 12 round fights where there's pressure to do more work in a shorter time, produce something more emphatic. a knockdown/wobble or two, enough to make it close (davis jr & Camacho, again) either way.

really hard to see Rosario winning a 15 rounder. buchanan would have to fight dumb, giving away all his advantages, kind of like the lanky kronk fighter Anthony jones did in that thrilling fight. jones fought down to Rosario, trading in close, big mistake.

[elmersalsa]

Ken Buchanan on points. A FANTASTIC fighter before the great Roberto Duran bout. After the Duran fight, he was never the same and fast accurate puncher. He slowed down a lot.

Buchanan is one of my favorite fighters.

[The Great John L]

I like both of these guys, but Buchanan had the style to give Rosario a lot of trouble. I'd go with Ken by decision, although Rosario certainly had the power to pull off the upset.