How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?

[Space Moutain]

Helped launch Ali into becoming the best heavyweight ever and probably the most famous human being planet Earth has seen. Have yet to see another heavy that could move like Ali did

Most famous? Uh, no.

Well, I'm not sure about the most famous ever, but he was arguably the most recognizable human during the 70's.

I suppose. Long way from being the most famous ever. He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

[Flump]

It was a great win, he was much better than Liston was expecting, and Liston spat his dummy out when he knew he was beaten. Simple.

Now the second fight has a horrible stench about it, no doubt in my mind. What happened? Only 'A Man' buried in Las Vegas knows.

[BoxBuzz]

Monzon was a lowlife......that is not debateable.


Ali......not so easy to categorize......he did some lowlife things......probably like you and I have done. Mischief, and wrongminded hatred at different points in his life. Exploiting his fame....probably guilty of that. But not a murderer. Just a famous guy superlative at a certain craft with typical human foibles. And some of us who pretend our shyt don't stink love to vilify the "humanity" in others.

I wouldn't mind having him for a neighbor, even if I might prefer Joe Frazier living next door.

Monzon......well, I wouldn't have hesitated pulling the trigger on him if I caught him in the act.


But Lordy could Monzon fight and any clinical assessment of boxing should probably NOT take such things into account.


Now when simply rating or discussing a "sportsman". perhaps all such gossip, and drama is fair game.

[The Great John L]

He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

Please explain why he was a lowlife.

[BoxBuzz]

He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

Please explain why he was a lowlife.

Most often cited against Ali, was his politics, after that his chauvinism. And of course, like anyone who embraces spirituality, his personal acts that fell short of his personal dogma. And of course his ego. Pretty run of the mill human stuff.

[Space Moutain]

He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

Please explain why he was a lowlife.

Hateful, racist, cheated on his women, trashed his opponents like no other athlete before him, stabbed Frazier in the back while fueling public hatred against him. Not gonna bring up him being a draft dodger though. I'll get some more later when I have the time

[The Great John L]

He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

Please explain why he was a lowlife.

Hateful, racist, cheated on his women, trashed his opponents like no other athlete before him, stabbed Frazier in the back while fueling public hatred against him. Not gonna bring up him being a draft dodger though. I'll get some more later when I have the time

OIC. Have you known him for very long?

[gilgamesh]

A Very good win...one of Ali's 5 best wins I'm sure. I don't know where it ranks amongst All Time Heavyweight wins, but there have been some better ones. Nevertheless it was a great victory.

[keithmoonhangover]

Question to now ex-Champ Sonny Liston

Q > Sonny how do you feel after that loss to Young Cassius.

A > Excuse me while I sip my J & B Scotch and count my Cash.

Really?

[Space Moutain]

Hateful, racist, cheated on his women, trashed his opponents like no other athlete before him, stabbed Frazier in the back while fueling public hatred against him. Not gonna bring up him being a draft dodger though. I'll get some more later when I have the time

OIC. Have you known him for very long?[/quote]

Probably not any longer than you have.

Clay was a pos as a father as well, btw. I can't in good conscience say he didn't deserve to get Parkinsons

[keithmoonhangover]

I can't in good conscience say he didn't deserve to get Parkinsons

Quite simply.one of the worst things I've ever read on the internet.

[Giancarlo]

I can't in good conscience say he didn't deserve to get Parkinsons

Quite simply.one of the worst things I've ever read on the internet.

That deserves a final warning or a ban I reckon.

[Space Moutain]

I can't in good conscience say he didn't deserve to get Parkinsons

Quite simply.one of the worst things I've ever read on the internet.

That deserves a final warning or a ban I reckon.

Please explain.

[Giancarlo]

Please explain.

Are you a certified imbecile or something?

[Space Moutain]

Please explain.

Are you a certified imbecile or something?

No name calling, please.

[scallum]

He was also a lowlife, which I don't think is debatable

Please explain why he was a lowlife.

Hateful, racist, cheated on his women, trashed his opponents like no other athlete before him, stabbed Frazier in the back while fueling public hatred against him. Not gonna bring up him being a draft dodger though. I'll get some more later when I have the time

Draft dodger lol, so a third class cittizen is supposed to happily fight for a country that treats his kind as subhuman? Lol

[Giancarlo]

Please explain.

Are you a certified imbecile or something?

No name calling, please.

It's a medical condition; I wondered if you suffered from it.

[BoxBuzz]

Actually it is not a medical condition, but rather a "once upon a time" identifier for a place on the intelligence scale. One that the medical community often utilized in it's descriptors. There is no "good" or 'bad" health condition equated with an IQ quotient. I believe most of us can attest that there is an abundance of healthy examples of all the classifications listed below.

IQ Range Classification
70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot

So, as you can see, this thread has become at best, moronic. So it's time to lock it away, and let it slowly sink to the B.O.T.P. depths.