muhammad ali: my thread on him.

[man]

While that might seem logical, the public was more interested in Ali fighting the guys who gave him difficult and competitive fights, and despite some post fight clamor from George and his handlers, there was absolutely no controversy about the ending of the fight. While George did barely beat the 10 count, he had beaten pretty thoroughly and the refs call was appropriate.

Frazier had beaten Ali, was a very popular undefeated and undisputed HW champ and a big favorite against Foreman, yet there was no great clamor for George to grant Frazier a rematch for the same reason.

good points! but i felt george lost against ali
mostly because of overconfidence. it simply
had not occurred to him that someone would
not fall apart after being hit. i saw him fight
a non-intelligent fight and the end came with
him being punched out. very different from
how frazier was totally outclassed IMHO.

but for the point on the stoppage. well he did
beat the count, it was the end of the round
and he was the defending, undisputed, unbeaten
champion. the only reason IMHO why there
was no outcry was ali being bambi, who had
not only survived, but beaten the ugly beast.

[The Great John L]

While that might seem logical, the public was more interested in Ali fighting the guys who gave him difficult and competitive fights, and despite some post fight clamor from George and his handlers, there was absolutely no controversy about the ending of the fight. While George did barely beat the 10 count, he had beaten pretty thoroughly and the refs call was appropriate.

Frazier had beaten Ali, was a very popular undefeated and undisputed HW champ and a big favorite against Foreman, yet there was no great clamor for George to grant Frazier a rematch for the same reason.

good points! but i felt george lost against ali
mostly because of overconfidence. it simply
had not occurred to him that someone would
not fall apart after being hit. i saw him fight
a non-intelligent fight and the end came with
him being punched out. very different from
how frazier was totally outclassed IMHO.

but for the point on the stoppage. well he did
beat the count, it was the end of the round
and he was the defending, undisputed, unbeaten
champion. the only reason IMHO why there
was no outcry was ali being bambi, who had
not only survived, but beaten the ugly beast.

George lost because he had virtually no defense; a problem his trainers didn't seem to try to address until after Lyle bounced him around like a basketball. Ali came out throwing lead right hands and took control from the outset. he made George fight the way that he did. Either way, George was just too inexperienced and slow to ever trouble any decent version of Ali, and that's exactly what their fight showed.

Yes, Ali beat the beast, with the emphasis on beat. It was a pretty entertaining, well executed beat down. During the buildup to the fight Ali explained all of Foremans faults and then exposed them as soon as the bell rang.

[Duch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlB-NRQv3OY&t=12m50s

[BoxBuzz]

How can you look at that interview and vilify any of those guys.

They are a great part of sports history.

I don't see the purpose in doggin' any one of them.

But.......Some people are just knuckleheads.

[man]

George lost because he had virtually no defense; a problem his trainers didn't seem to try to address until after Lyle bounced him around like a basketball. Ali came out throwing lead right hands and took control from the outset. he made George fight the way that he did. Either way, George was just too inexperienced and slow to ever trouble any decent version of Ali, and that's exactly what their fight showed.

Yes, Ali beat the beast, with the emphasis on beat. It was a pretty entertaining, well executed beat down. During the buildup to the fight Ali explained all of Foremans faults and then exposed them as soon as the bell rang.

you are totally right.

[man]

How can you look at that interview and vilify any of those guys.

They are a great part of sports history.

I don't see the purpose in doggin' any one of them.

But.......Some people are just knuckleheads.

i am so happy that they made such interview
situations. these are all legends in their own
right and seeing them like this is a priceless
document.

[man]

George lost because he had virtually no defense; a problem his trainers didn't seem to try to address until after Lyle bounced him around like a basketball. Ali came out throwing lead right hands and took control from the outset.

i love that part of "when we were kings" where
norman mailer talks about these right hand leads.
actually, every time i see someone throw right
hand leads, i think about that sequence. seems
more common in the lower weight classes. at
heavy it seems rare to me, but hopkins, floyd,
pac and i think cotto use them quite frequently.