Special thanks to Mr Fist for keeping his record updated.Fist of Legend wrote:Jimmy Bivins (23-8-4 9 ko's)
Card #35 - L KO 12 Tommy Loughran ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (The Super Six Tournament)
Card #34 - W SD 15 Tommy Gibbons ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (The Super Six Tournament)
Card # 33.5 - DRAW 15 Michael Spinks (The Super Six Tournament)
Card #33 - W UD 10 Carl Augustine (Turkey Week)
Card #32 - L UD 15 Bob Foster (The Super Six Tournament)
Card #31 - W UD 15 Ezzard Charles (The Super Six Tournament)
Card #30 - W TKO 7 Maxie Rosenbloom
Card #29 - L SD 15 Tommy Loughran ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship 145-141 144-142 TL 145-141 JB)
Card #28 - W UD 15 Bob Fizsimmons ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Bivins down in 3rd)
Card #27 - W TKO 5 Gene Tunney ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship
Card #26 - W TKO 7 Dariusz Michalczewski ~ IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Bivins vacates WBA/DM stopped on cuts)
Card #25 - DRAW 15 Dariusz Michalczewski ~ WBA/IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Bivins down in 9th, D.M down in 15th, 141-141 142-140 JB 141-141
Card #24 - W SD 15 Tommy Gibbons ~ WBA/IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Vacated WBC/WBO titles, Bivins down Rounds 5 and 13, 143-142 x 2 JB 145-140 TG)
Card #23 - W UD 15 Micheal Spinks ~ WBC/WBO Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Spinks down in 11th and 15th)
Card #22 - W TKO 5 Ezzard Charles ~ WBC/WBO Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Charles hurts his hand and is unable to continue)
Card #21 - W MD 12 Len Harvey
Card #20 - L TKO 6 Tommy Gibbons ~ WBA/IBF/Lonsdale Unified World Light Heavyweight Championship (Bivins ahead on all scorecards is stopped on cuts)
Card #19 - W TKO 4 Matthew Saad Muhammad (stopped on cuts)
Card #18 - W UD 10 "Sugar" Ray Leonard
Card #17 - W TKO 2 Battling Bozo
Card #16 - DRAW 10 Matthew Saad Muhammad (95-95 on all scorecards)
Card #15 - W SD 10 Dick Tiger (Tiger down in 9th/ 95-94 JB 95-94 DT 95-94 JB)
Card #14 - L SD 10 Matthew Saad Muhammad (Bivins came into this fight badly overweight)
Card #13 - W UD 10 Jose Torres
Card #12 - W SD 10 Chad Dawson (Dawson down in Round 8/ 97-94 JB 96-95 CD 98-93 JB)
Card #11 - L SD 15 Tommy Loughran ~ WBA World Light Heavyweight Champoinship (143-141 TL 143-142 JB 143-141 TL)
Card #10 - W MD 10 Glencofe Johnson
Card #9 - W UD 10 Iran Barkley
Card #8 - L UD 15 Tommy Gibbons ~ IBF World Light Heavyweight Championship (143-142 on all scorecards)
Card #7 - W TKO 12 Bernard Hopkins ~ IBF World Light Heavyweight Championship (Hopkins stopped on cuts/Bivins ahead on all scorecards)
Card #6 - W SD 10 Jack Dillon ~ IBF World Light Heavyweight Championship Eliminator (97-94 JB/96-95 JD/97-94 JB)
Card #5 - W TKO 3 Harry Greb (Greb stopped on a cut caused by a hook from Bivins)
Card #4 - W TKO 2 Virgil Hill (referee stops fight from repeated unanswered blows while Hill is against the ropes)
Card #3 - W UD 10 Uriah Grant (Grant down in 8th)
Card #2 - L TKO 4 Floyd Patterson (doctor stoppage due to cuts over Bivins' eye/Bivins ahead on scorecards at time of stoppage)
Card #1 - DRAW 10 Floyd Patterson (95-95/96-94 FP/95-95)
Exhibition - W SD 10 Chad Dawson
I would also say that whilst being a Six Time World Champion is an incredible achievement it is not enough to enter the HOF. Other guys have done it before him and never got in - the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson in the P4P season.Crease wrote:For me, HOFers have to show a certain amount of dominance - I don't think Bivins had done that. Instead he has just been the ultra-successful outside bet who was never quite able to lord it over his peers.
But that's only my take on it
Gibbons was 2-1 against Charles. The judges f*cked him once.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
Doesn't matter it goes down in the record books as a madafaking win.gilgamesh wrote:Gibbons was 2-1 against Charles. The judges f*cked him once.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
It matters to me.HomicideHenry wrote:Doesn't matter it goes down in the record books as a madafaking win.gilgamesh wrote:Gibbons was 2-1 against Charles. The judges f*cked him once.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
Loughran was 3-0 vs Bivens and overall record is just as impressive, if not more. Let's also be honest, Loughran should have two wins over Charles.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... but didn't.... at the end of the day the record books will always show Charles as having defeated both Gibbons and Loughran, and defeated Spinks twicearmageto wrote:Loughran was 3-0 vs Bivens and overall record is just as impressive, if not more. Let's also be honest, Loughran should have two wins over Charles.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
Anyhow, Bivens had a great year, but no.
Either way, Bivens nor Charles is getting into the HOF. I did better with Charles last time we had LHW and he's not even in the hall. Your logic is bad for Bivens to get in for the simple fact Loughran beat him three times and isn't even a nominee. If Loughran isn't even a nominee, nobody should have a shot at the hall, aside Gibbons.HomicideHenry wrote:Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... but didn't.... at the end of the day the record books will always show Charles as having defeated both Gibbons and Loughran, and defeated Spinks twicearmageto wrote:Loughran was 3-0 vs Bivens and overall record is just as impressive, if not more. Let's also be honest, Loughran should have two wins over Charles.HomicideHenry wrote:He was the man who ended Charles supreme reign as champion.... Gibbons couldn't do it, neither could Loughran... he's also the only man to be 2-0-0 against Charles... Gibbons could only manage 1-1-1 against Charles, and all Loughran could manage was a draw.... if a man was ever more qualified, I dont know who it would be.
Anyhow, Bivens had a great year, but no.
