***OFFICIAL*** HOF Nominations: Gibbons & Charles

[Crease]

And so the two greatest fighters of this season. Compare and contrast their records and have your say.
Who deserves to be entered into the HOF? Only one of them? Or neither? Or both?

There has been a lot of confusion surrounding both of them over the past week but both of their completed records are there for you to see and their statistics.

I have DELETED the previous Gibbons & Charles HOF threads as they did not have a poll in them, they were just a build up to this.

This thread will run for 10 days.

PLEASE write down who you voted for.

[Crease]

Tommy Gibbons: (Managed by BoxBuzz) 28-6-3 (5 knockouts)

Pre season: vs Willie Pastrano W MD
Week 01: vs Fabrice Tiozzo W UD
Week 02: vs Bobby Czyz W UD
Week 03: vs Bob Foster W SD
Week 04: vs Al Gainer W UD
Week 05: vs Len Harvey W DQ
Week 06: vs Ezzard Charles L UD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator
Week 07: vs LLoyd Marshall W UD
Week 08: vs Jimmy Bivins W UD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title
Week 09: vs Archie Moore W SD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title
Week 10: vs Michael Moorer Draw - IBF Light Heavyweight Title
Week 11: vs Bernard Hopkins W UD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title
Week 12: vs Willie Pastrano W UD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title
Week 13: vs Tommy Loughran W SD - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 14: vs Joe Choynski W KO 14 - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 15: vs Floyd Patterson W TKO 1 - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 16: vs Harold Johnson W DQ - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 17: vs Floyd Patterson W SD - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 18: vs Sam Langford W SD - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 19: vs Ezzard Charles Draw - WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF Titles
Week 20: vs Jimmy Bivins W TKO 6 - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 21: vs Michael Spinks Draw - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 22: vs Bernard Hopkins W UD - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 23: vs Ezzard Charles W TKO 14 - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 24: vs Jimmy Bivins L SD - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 25: vs John Henry Lewis W UD
Week 26: vs Archie Moore L UD - WBA Light Heavyweight Title
Week 27: vs Bob Fitzsimmons L SD
Week 28: vs Floyd Patterson W KO 12
Week 29: vs Bob Foster W SD - WBC, WBO, IBO Titles
Week 30: vs Sam Langford L SD - WBC, WBO, IBO Titles
Week 31: vs Bob Foster W SD - SUPER SIX
Week 32: vs Tommy Loughran W SD - SUPER SIX
Week 33: vs Ezzard Charles W SD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title - SUPER SIX
Turkey: vs Mohamed Afonso W UD
Week 34: vs Jimmy Bivins L SD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title - SUPER SIX
Week 35: vs Michael Spinks W SD - SUPER SIX
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Ezzard Charles: (Managed by HomicideHenry) 25-8-4 (7 knockouts)

Pre season: vs Matthew Saad Muhammad W UD
Week 01: vs Bob Fitzsimmons Majority Draw
Week 02: vs Gene Tunney W UD
Week 03: vs John Henry Lewis L UD
Week 04: vs Wayne Thornton W KO 6
Week 05: vs Billy Conn W MD
Week 06: vs Tommy Gibbons W UD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator
Week 07: vs Michael Moorer W SD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 08: vs Maxie Rosenbloom W MD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 09: vs Billy Fox W TKO 11 - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 10: vs John Henry Lewis W UD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 11: vs Bob Fitzsimmons W SD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 12: vs Matthew Saad Muhammad W UD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 13: vs Gene Tunney W UD - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 14: vs Michael Spinks W SD - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 15: vs Archie Moore W KO 8 - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 16: vs Sam Langford W UD - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 17: vs Tommy Loughran Draw - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 18: vs Tommy Loughran MD - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 19: vs Tommy Gibbons Draw - WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF Titles
Week 20: vs Michael Moorer W TKO 12 - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 21: vs Bernard Hopkins W UD - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 22: vs Jimmy Bivins L TKO 5 - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 23: vs Tommy Gibbons L TKO 14 - WBA & IBF Titles
Week 24: vs Darren Corbett W KO 1
Week 25: vs Joey Maxim W TKO 10 - WBC Light Heavyweight Title
Week 26: vs Michael Spinks L UD - WBC & WBO Titles
Week 27: vs Tommy Loughran Draw
Week 28: vs Stanley Ketchel W UD
Week 29: vs Old Stribling L UD
Week 30: vs Michael Spinks L UD
Week 31: vs Jimmy Bivins L UD - SUPER SIX
Week 32: vs Michael Spinks W UD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title- SUPER SIX
Week 33: vs Tommy Gibbons L UD - IBF Light Heavyweight Title- SUPER SIX
Turkey: vs Victor Attivor W KO 1
Week 34: vs Tommy Loughran W SD - SUPER SIX
Week 35: vs Bob Foster W MD - SUPER SIX

[Crease]

Tommy Gibbons:
Accolades:
Super Six Champion (80% win ratio in the SS)
Only man to win The Grand Slam.
Five time World Champion.
Has been in the top 5 for all of the season.

Unified Honours:
Unified IBF & WBA Titles (Week 13)

Individual Titles:
x2 time IBF Champion (Week 8, 33)
x1 time WBC Champion (Week 29)
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 13)
x1 time WBO Champion (Week 29)
x1 time IBO Champion (Week 29)
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Ezzard Charles:
Accolades:
Super Six Silver Medal (60% win ratio in the SS)
Original WBC Champion
Four time World Champion
MASSIVE Title reign

Unified Honours:
Unified WBC & WBO Titles (Week 14)

Individual Titles:
X2 time WBC Champion (Weeks 7, 25)
X1 time WBO Champion (Week 14)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 32)

[Crease]

Whilst comparing their records, I noticed that there was a certain amount of "one up man ship" between them.

Gibbons scored two wins more than Charles.
Gibbons got one more World Title than him.
Gibbons finished first in the Super Six, to Charles' second.
Charles won by KO 7 times, Gibbons won 5.
Both men achieved 15 consecutive successful title defences.

For me, Gibbons winning The Super Six underlined his position as The Number One Man of the season.
And his record is astonishing, so I'd definitely vote YES for him.
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Ezzard Charles was not the same man after he lost his unified title, but his winning run from Week 6 to Week 22 was something that hasn't been seen since the days of Tiger Jack Fox - especially when you focus in on him beating Tunney, then Spinks, then Moore, then Langford in four weeks.
For me, that is definitely the stuff of HOF legend.

Not to forget, then he finished second in the Super Six to a guy who is in all likely hood gonna be a HOFer. And there aint nothing wrong with that.

So I'm voting YES for Ezzard as well.

[Crease]

One last thing I would say (and yes, I realise I am pushing for Ezzard here) but in my humble opinion he had a more difficult run of fights compared yo Gibbons... Tommy's record was superior in the end, but was he really that much ahead of Charles?

For me, I don't think so.

[BoxBuzz]

Interesting Bivins owns wins over both men. Only man who can claim such an honor



They each hold wins over each other.

[gilgamesh]

I gotta say Yes to both. Gibbons is the clear #1 man, but Charles was right behind him...that loss to that loser Old Stribling has him on the fence for me though. I'm tempted to say no just for that alone...but I guess I'll let it slide, and say yes. It's a razor thin yes.

Yes to both

[Crease]

Interesting Bivins owns wins over both men.

Yes indeed, and Jimmy beat them both twice!

We've already had a vote on Jimmy and he did not get in - Jimmy did well beating these two titans (twice) and whilst he was not granted access to The Hall - he did get richly paid for it - he ended the season with an accumulation of six World Titles.

I think that, in the end we can all recognise that Jimmy excelled but he didn't dominate the Sim they way that the two guys above did...
And it's probably symbolic that he got the bronze medal in the Super Six between "the big two".

[BoxBuzz]

I see another difference. Gibbons was only Knocked down once by Harold Johnson....and never stopped in the entire season.

Which is I guess why he holds the edge in most rounds fought.

I see that Gibbons STOPPED both Bivin and Charles at least once during the season.

[DMA1987]

Genuinely believe there was no HOF fighter this season.

[BoxBuzz]

Genuinely believe there was no HOF fighter this season.

However the SEASON was a hall of fame season.

[armageto]

No on Charles. Although he had a really nice run, for a large part ending the season, he was only a .500 fighter. When you look at his season as a whole, I'd have to say no. Good season, but not H.O.F. type worthy.

Gibbons I'm on the fence on. He was the best this season, but does that make him a HOF'er? He has quite a few average opponents, and at times avoided a top challenge. I am 60/40 saying no....

[Crease]

Gibbons I'm on the fence on. He was the best this season, but does that make him a HOF'er? He has quite a few average opponents, and at times avoided a top challenge. I am 60/40 saying no....

I know exactly what you mean Mr Geto. When I looked at Charles' record I was very impressed with his title run - and despite the fact he went off the boil - he was still able to finish second in the Super Six m- that's pretty impressive stuff.

In terms of Gibbons - I can recognise that he had a great season but perversely when I read his record I didn't fee as inspired due to the fact that he didn't beat top opposition a the way through his unified title reign.

Of course, polls like this are always relative and different for everyone. And that's only what I think.

[kevo]

No on both. Good, but not HoF worthy.

[DMA1987]

No on both. Good, but not HoF worthy.

Cast a vote, the No's need it.

[BoxBuzz]

Point of order.....

Wouldn't the "both of them" column need to populate a vote for each fighter?

[Crease]

Bump.

If you haven't voted - step to it!!!

[BoxBuzz]

according to my math that's 9 for the Gibber, 4 for the Ezzonator, and 6 for neither man.

[armageto]

The polls should have been a simple yes or no for each man to get in, to avoid confusion. Even with the polls as they are, to me, it's enough to have neither man in.

[gilgamesh]

The polls should have been a simple yes or no for each man to get in, to avoid confusion. Even with the polls as they are, to me, it's enough to have neither man in.

9 yes, 6 no on Gibbons. So he's in. Charles ain't getting in it doesn't look like.

[Crease]

according to my math that's 9 for the Gibber, 4 for the Ezzonator, and 6 for neither man.

Yeah Gibbons has nine votes... The "both" option constitutes a "yes" vote fort each man.

And we've got three days left in the poll.

[HomicideHenry]

Hate to say it, but when the people are right they are right. It was a HOF season, but it didnt necessarily have HOF worthy fighters.

[Crease]

One day to go... Less than 24 hours in fact.

Seriously guys, if you have not given voice to your thoughts, you really need to do it now and have your vote. Because tomorrow the poll will close and you will have left it too late.

[Crease]

POLL CLOSED!!!

And the result is:

4 votes for Ezzard Charles
6 votes for neither of them
9 votes for Tommy Gibbons

And so Tommy Gibbons is hereby inducted in to the HOF.

[Crease]

And there will be a ceremony tomorrow. Where his name will be engrained into the Hall and his record will be put into the HOF thread.