Protein = Weight Gain?

[deighan]

Is it possible to take protein as a recovery drink/ supplement without putting on weight? I know this is possible, but is it realistic to do without having to run for miles and miles every day and still make weight?

[punchoutsb]

Absolutely.

Stick with whey, make sure there isn't any added sugars and don't drink gainer shakes. Just plain whey.

Protein only has 4 calories per gram. Even a shake as high as 50 grams would only be 200 extra calories.

Plus you get the added benefit of gaining a bit of muscle which will in turn burn off more fat to support itself.

[deighan]

thanks mate, will gaining muscle not put on weight though? delaing with the fine margins of our weight classes?

[dberry]

So long as all you're taking in is protein, then to a point, yeah. If you're taking the protein suppliments that also have the 'balance of calories and fat', then no.

[punchoutsb]

thanks mate, will gaining muscle not put on weight though? delaing with the fine margins of our weight classes?

Gaining muscle would add weight, but also burns fat. But if you're wanting a shake for recovery and training for the sport you wont bulk up or anything. If anything, adding some extra protein may speed up your weightloss as it will help you recover faster.

[TempleSlave]

Protein will support the muscle mass you've already got. In order to grow some new, you'll have to be in calorie surplus. It is therefore possible to increase protein intake dramatically and still lose fat/weight. In some case even grow some muscle in the same time (lose fat at higher rate than building muscle=weight loss). I've seen it many times with my pt clients.

[polecateddy]

Protein will support the muscle mass you've already got. In order to grow some new, you'll have to be in calorie surplus. It is therefore possible to increase protein intake dramatically and still lose fat/weight. In some case even grow some muscle in the same time (lose fat at higher rate than building muscle=weight loss). I've seen it many times with my pt clients.

Most bodybuilders will tell you that's impossible. Dorian Yates for example.

[TempleSlave]

Protein will support the muscle mass you've already got. In order to grow some new, you'll have to be in calorie surplus. It is therefore possible to increase protein intake dramatically and still lose fat/weight. In some case even grow some muscle in the same time (lose fat at higher rate than building muscle=weight loss). I've seen it many times with my pt clients.

Most bodybuilders will tell you that's impossible. Dorian Yates for example.

Have you missed the 'in some cases' part? I don't train bodybuilders, I train beginners - couch potatoes. And yes it is possible when you're a beginner.

[polecateddy]

Protein will support the muscle mass you've already got. In order to grow some new, you'll have to be in calorie surplus. It is therefore possible to increase protein intake dramatically and still lose fat/weight. In some case even grow some muscle in the same time (lose fat at higher rate than building muscle=weight loss). I've seen it many times with my pt clients.

Most bodybuilders will tell you that's impossible. Dorian Yates for example.

Have you missed the 'in some cases' part? I don't train bodybuilders, I train beginners - couch potatoes. And yes it is possible when you're a beginner.

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

[TempleSlave]

Most bodybuilders will tell you that's impossible. Dorian Yates for example.

Have you missed the 'in some cases' part? I don't train bodybuilders, I train beginners - couch potatoes. And yes it is possible when you're a beginner.

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

'Mistaking toning and strength gains'??
Dude, I'm weighing my clients and manually measure their body fat (12 sites on the body, accurate to 0.1 mm). When sites drop and weight stays the same (or rises - seen that too!), what would be your explanation?
Strength gains express in ability to lift heavier weights. 'Toning' - wtf does it even mean?

[polecateddy]

You could look toning up in the dictionary? It's a fair comment. Less fat around the muscles make them look more defined and stand out more, creating the illusion that muscle has been gained while dieting.

[TempleSlave]

You could look toning up in the dictionary? It's a fair comment. Less fat around the muscles make them look more defined and stand out more, creating the illusion that muscle has been gained while dieting.

Sorry dude, didn't mean any offence. It's just that 'toning' is not a very precise term and it's used predominantly by female fitness mags which are 97.78% filled with complete BS ;) You won't find a respected H&F pro or S&C coach using it. I suppose it describes the effect of muscles becoming more visible but in fact there exist only hypertrophy or fat loss - that's it. Oh and fat gain of course...
Technically fat loss doesn't happen in exactly the same time as hypertrophy - you have catabolic (fat loss) and anabolic (muscle growth) phases, but they can occur in one period of time, especially with untrained and overweight individuals.

[Srebmun]

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

I went from 16 stone and e.g. squatting 20kg and deadlifting 30kg to 14 stone squatting 120kg and deadlifting 150kg - took a year+ and I've put a bit back on now, winter padding like, but prior to doing so the increase in muscle gain and fat loss was incredible.

[TempleSlave]

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

I went from 16 stone and e.g. squatting 20kg and deadlifting 30kg to 14 stone squatting 120kg and deadlifting 150kg - took a year+ and I've put a bit back on now, winter padding like, but prior to doing so the increase in muscle gain and fat loss was incredible.

As I said before - when you've lost weight, it's hard to tell whether any hypertrophy happened - maybe you've just lost fat and improved efficiency of the nervous system through training (and therefore built strength). I personally use software that calculates body composition from skinfold readings and weight (also height, age, sex) and this way can tell or at least estimate whether someone's lost fat and increased lean mass at the same time period.

[Srebmun]

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

I went from 16 stone and e.g. squatting 20kg and deadlifting 30kg to 14 stone squatting 120kg and deadlifting 150kg - took a year+ and I've put a bit back on now, winter padding like, but prior to doing so the increase in muscle gain and fat loss was incredible.

As I said before - when you've lost weight, it's hard to tell whether any hypertrophy happened - maybe you've just lost fat and improved efficiency of the nervous system through training (and therefore built strength). I personally use software that calculates body composition from skinfold readings and weight (also height, age, sex) and this way can tell or at least estimate whether someone's lost fat and increased lean mass at the same time period.

2 belt buckles in, wearing shirts I haven't for years, lifting things I never imagined I could/would, looking a helluva lot better, feeling great - makes no difference to me if it's fat loss, muscle gain, efficiency of the nervous system - regular training and proper diet works

[TempleSlave]

I went from 16 stone and e.g. squatting 20kg and deadlifting 30kg to 14 stone squatting 120kg and deadlifting 150kg - took a year+ and I've put a bit back on now, winter padding like, but prior to doing so the increase in muscle gain and fat loss was incredible.

As I said before - when you've lost weight, it's hard to tell whether any hypertrophy happened - maybe you've just lost fat and improved efficiency of the nervous system through training (and therefore built strength). I personally use software that calculates body composition from skinfold readings and weight (also height, age, sex) and this way can tell or at least estimate whether someone's lost fat and increased lean mass at the same time period.

2 belt buckles in, wearing shirts I haven't for years, lifting things I never imagined I could/would, looking a helluva lot better, feeling great - makes no difference to me if it's fat loss, muscle gain, efficiency of the nervous system - regular training and proper diet works

Fair enough mate - good job!

[ArtOfWar]

Probably just mistaking toning and strength gains. You can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

This is news to me... So, if you are doing a 5 x % strength routine, you are either burning fat or gaining muscle? Never both at the same time? This sounds crazy.

It sounds logical when you look at it from a diet prospective and not a training one.

Diet builds bodies. In order to gain muscle you need a surplus of calories and to lose fat you need to be at a deficit. Therefore the two don't work at the same time unless like TempleSlave said you are an absolute beginner.

The only other scenario that possibly works (I'm not sure as I've not seen any research to back it up) is when people are running a heavy squat cycle like Smolov. To run something like that and not fail you need to be eating like a sumo wrestler and yet there are cases of people still getting leaner when doing this.

[Fareek]

Protein is normally a need of those who are into physical activties i mean its necessary for everyone but when it comes to substances while gaining weight through some workout protein is the first thing that comes in the mind.So yeah i guess bothering it can help you ahead,But prefer natural and healthy sources.

Nitin Chhoda

[Mark pawsey]

Protein Weight Gain all depends on how much you have, because after all it's calories, when it comes to having Protein in your diet you must have the right about which from memory is about 0.8 grams per kg of body fat, but the body only absorbs I think it's 30to 40 grams of protein per sitting, so that's about 100 grams of steak or chicken or 1 or 2 scoops of protein powder depending on the brand, so if you have more than that 30 or 40 grams of protein in one meal the rest go to waste. I was once a fighter & i was training for a fight and I stuck to this regime & also had low sugar & low fat in my diet, & I wieghed in the lightest I've ever wieghed for a fight.

[biglefthook]

whey protein after exercise is fine