sherlock, sorry I did not clarify, i simply used that as an example that tunney could be caught by the swarmers. and yes, dempsey was well past his prime for sharkey and tunney.
the fights i would watch and analyize if I were going to compare tunney vs marciano is the lastarza II, charles I and walcott I fights. actually the most resembled to tunney in terms of fighting style appeared to be lastarza! thats why the new york times was comparing him to tunney early in his career.
also the 51-52 marciano was a different fighter than the 54-55 marciano
the 51-52 slugger marciano might be outpointed by tunney unless he catches him.
the 54-55 marciano swarmers all over tunney and grinds him down finishing him off late.
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Its amazing really that I'm always having to defend Larry Holmes opposition etc and people often seem loath to list him in the top 10 yet Tyson fought a far, far poorer grade of opposition
tyson fought worse competition than holmes???
tyson and holmes both fought berbick
Tyson TKO 2 Berbick- complete domination
holmes 15 unanimous berbick- berbick was competive with a peak holmes and i thought berbick won about 4 or 5 rounds. holmes also fought berbick when he was young and more inconsistent.
Holmes 15 unanimous williams- granted holmes was past his prime, but he still had stuff left and williams was very competitive and many thought he beat holmes. i have never seen this fight, just read about it.
tyson TKO 1 williams- domination
tyson KO 1 spinx - no need to say more
spinks twice dec holmes- holmes was clearly past his prime but was still a formidable fighter and spinx outboxed him.
holmes TKO 12 bonecrusher- holmes was a bit past his prime but had stuff left, and bonecrusher gave him a competitive fight until holmes stopped him late. bonecrusher even managed to have holmes in bad trouble stunning him good.
tyson 12 unanimous bonecrusher- boncrusher became boneclutcher. tyson completley dominated him from start to finish while bonecrusher held on the whole fight and was scared shitless. i had it 119-109 tyson.
out of tysons 9 title defenses, 7 were champions and the other 2 were TOP contenders.
out of holmes 21 title defenses, ONLY 6 were champions and thats counting muhammad ali!
tyson UNIFIED THE TITLE
holmes never did
tyson wiped out the division and left no unaswered questions
holmes never fought some of the alhpa champs for top contenders and feasted on farr too many journeyman
on my top 10 heavyweights based on greatness, i have holmes over tyson. but on a head to head list, i feel tyson would beat him and many other champions.
holmes was still a formidable fighter when he fought tyson, as he showed by becoming a top contender in the 90s. tyson knocked out a younger holmes, and i dont buy into that bullshit he was a better fight in early 90s then the night he fought tyson.
tyson completely dominated holmes and no way holmes outboxed tyson early. i had it 29-28 tyson after 2. gimme a break
even in holmes prime, he was always a sucker for right hands, and was vunerable against big punchers. lesser punchers and fighters hurt, knocked down, or stunned holmes.
holmes never faced as good a puncher OR FINISHER as tyson. he faced guys who hit as hard, but never faced someone who was as great an overall puncher as tyson, yet less punchers and fighters put holmes down or on queer st. holmes would never get chance to recover from tyson.
tyson had big strengths that would take apart some of holmes main weaknesses
i might also add, u say holys prime was 6 years earlier, but holyfield couldnt even slug it out with bowe or cooper, what makes u think he could slug it out with the much greater puncher 88 peak mike tyson??
proffesor X wrote
'88, Brockton Blockbuster? Ha ha ha! You're a joke. You've been had. Old Holyfield slapped your bitch silly. 'You gonna' deny it? You just fell off of the turnip truck, sonny boy. You should stick to being happy that Tyson bit almost half of Evander's ear off...because there is NO version of Tyson that beats Holyfield
I don't think I need to respond to this and I think boxrec would agree with me.
proffesor, isnt it a little past your bed time?
the one wrote
First of all I dont think Louis punched as hard as Foreman
the one,
that didnt matter,
louis had much faster hands, threw much better combinations, was much more accurate, threw shorter punchers, had just a good as a jab.
louis was clearly the greater puncher than foreman, and IMO hit close to as hard as foreman with one shot.
louis didnt need to push frazier off, he would have taken apart frazier on the inside with his combinations, uppercuts, and jab.
Fraizer was far from a one armed fighter. His left hook was probably histories best, so it stood out more. His right hand was very effective especially to the body. It was the hard right hand to the body that allowed him openings to land the left hook. Frazier also had a good upppercut.
he did not posess the KO punch in his right hand the other greats had in both arms.
Saying Holyfield could not take Louis's punch is redicules
holyfield could not even take bowes punches, what makes u think he can take joe louis combinations?
no one can take joe louis punches. not even ali.
Redicules statement. Bowe couldnt stop Holyfield not becase of his stamina but because Holyfield was near impossible to knockout in his prime. Louis could not have taken half the punches Holyfield did in that round. Bowe hit a hell of alot harder than Schmeling and Walcott.
check out round 10 again, holyfield is out on his feet, and bowe falls up with huge combinations but holy still doesnt go but suddenly bowe becomes dead tired clinches and nearly falls over while holy still badly hurt and ready to be taken spends 1 min recovering then starts pounding on the tired bowe,
but imagine when louis paralyizes holy with one of his blows, no way holy will be able to take his combinations and unlike bowe louis will not let up till holyfield falls!!!
were talking the greatest offensive heavyweight of all time vs a fighter with a very vunerable defense who loved to slug it out! thats suicide vss louis!
o yea, and bowe did not hit much harder than walcott. u underate walcotts power, and walcott as a fighter
ive watched both on tape and i think walcott outpoints bowe
They were faster of feet, harder of chin and hit just as hard. If Holyfield and Frazier fought the guys that Louis did their knockout wins would look no less spectacular.
the one,
louis wouldnt need fast feet vs both of them . both holyfield and frazier came right into you with there heads tuck straight out.
holyfield did not hit as hard as louis, thats ridiculous.
even if frazier did hit as hard, that didnt matter. louis was the better puncher who unlike frazier could KO you with both hands.
louis also threw far greater combinations than frazier, had much better jab, was more much accurate in his punches, and had much faster handseed than frazier.
fraizer and holy wont survive against louis because of there stlyes. holyfield will be drawn into brawl and will be knocked out.
