Joe Frazier vs Leotis Martin, primes and 15 rounds.

[yancey]

Who you got?

[BoxBuzz]

You would have to bring this up. The Il Duce Papers clearly accuse Frazier of sidestepping Martin.

It's a sad legacy, now that we know the truth of the matter.

When I first learned of it, you could'a knocked me over with a feather.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Joe beat the sim legend, Mel Turnbow, he can handle Martin.

[yancey]

Hopefully Duce sees this thread.

I'm hoping for his take on some of these match-ups that the Frazier camp allegedly ducked.

[yancey]

Empty Jar

I just 'Love' the depth that Dr. Box Buzz Beard added in his analysis.

July 1967

If we take this bout in 'mid-1967', when Leotis first wanted to fight 'Smokin Joe'.

.................Joe Frazier........................Leotis Martin
Age........... 23 years, 6 months........... 28 years, 4 months
Record...... 16-0-0 {14 KO's}.............. 24-1-0 {14 KO's}
Ranking..... #2 WBA / #4 Ring............ #9 WBA / #9 Ring

Analysis;
* Joe was a slow-starter. As we all know, Joe usually lost the 1st-Round, and started to warm up later.
* Leotis was also a notoriously slow-starter, but was a sharp-shooter in the later Rounds.

Leotis would have a height advantage of 2", plus a 3 1/2" reach advantage. Weight, Joe would have an edge
of {+12 lbs.} at 204 lbs. to 192 lbs.

Strength is no question, as Joe was physically stronger and a harder puncher for longer lengths. But, Leotis was
durable and had excellent endurance.

Defensively, Joe was not highly-rated, but his strength was the ability to take a good shot. Leotis was 'average' at
best, and could be tagged.

Match-Up:
Joe Frazier > Great left hook and constant pressure with a heavy focus on the body, and quick left-hooks to the head.
versus
Leotis Martin > Good movement, busy left-jab and durability, mixed in with a 'late-bout' attack with right-hand bombs.

The Skinny
* Leotis Martin had suffered an injury to his 'right-knee' in June 1967.
* Yancey 'Yank' Durham managed both fighters.
* Joe Frazier had been getting tagged with right-hand leads as he stepped up the competition in 1966 and 1967.
* Leotis had a tendency to swell up around the eyes in his most recent bouts.
* Leotis had complained that Yank Durham was putting too much focus on Joe Frazier, and he felt he was getting pushed aside.

Great analysis, so.....

are you going to opine on what would happen?

The 1967 time frame would be fine or at their peaks.

[BoxBuzz]

I'll give him his opinion here and now.

Joe would decapitate Martin. If Duce don't agree, I'm sending you out to educate him.

[gilgamesh]

Joe Frazier would overwhelm and knock out Leotis Martin around the 6th or 7th round.

[yancey]

Joe Frazier would overwhelm and knock out Leotis Martin around the 6th or 7th round.

Yep, this is about what I also figure.

[BoxBuzz]

It seems Il Duce felt the pressure, heeded the sensibilities of the common man, saw the light, and came up with that right solution.

[yancey]

It seems Il Duce felt the pressure, heeded the sensibilities of the common man, saw the light, and came up with that right solution.

But don't ever forget.

Frazier ducked Martin.

[BoxBuzz]

It seems Il Duce felt the pressure, heeded the sensibilities of the common man, saw the light, and came up with that right solution.

But don't ever forget.

Frazier ducked Martin.

A science fiction fact, that can not be debated. Part and parcel to the unabridged Il Duce papers.

[yancey]

It seems Il Duce felt the pressure, heeded the sensibilities of the common man, saw the light, and came up with that right solution.

But don't ever forget.

Frazier ducked Martin.

July 1967

Leotis Martin,

Interviewed before the WBA Elimination tournament in Houston.

"Joe Frazier won't enter because he knows he will lose. He's always says he the best and #1 Ranked Heavyweight, yet
anytime one of us wants to fight him, his Manager says were 'no good' and Joe would destroy us. I've been trying
to get Joe into the Ring since the beginning of the year {1967}. He won't fight me."

Pinny Schafer {Manager}
"Leotis has the right-hand to do it and Yank Durham knows it. Look what Bonavena did to him. And Leotis hits a lot
harder than Oscar."

Yeah, I guess Joe would have been a sure loser in the tournament.

I mean, look how much trouble he had with the tournament champion.

[BoxBuzz]

Pretty sure everyone on the East Coast..knew this.

Yancey.....are you from the midwest? That would explain you not being informed.

[yancey]

Pretty sure everyone on the East Coast..knew this.

Yancey.....are you from the midwest? That would explain you not being informed.

No Sir, I'm just a backwoods hick from the South.

That ought to be the best excuse of all, I reckon.

[BoxBuzz]

When I clicked on the link, it featured a sale on linens.

Ouch.

[BoxBuzz]

This time the link leads to the comics section.