P4P lists always annoy people so...

[Ezzard]

I thought I'd do another one...

I think my tier one (and pretty much everyone else's) has to be...

(no order, no heavyweights)
Langford
Greb
Armstrong
Charles
Robinson

Some people don't include Charles but I think he should be there.

Tier 2 is trickier...

The first name I always think of is Archie Moore but it could just as easily be Joe Gans or Benny Leonard.

My tier 2 (again no order)

Archie Moore
Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Jack Britton
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Roberto Duran
Gene Tunney
Mickey Walker

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tiers is absolutely the way to go and I'm in 100% agreement with your tier one. Off of the top of my head some additions to tier two for me would be...

Canzoneri without a doubt.
McClarnin
Griffith
Gavilan
Ross
Ali
Louis

And Britton wouldn't be any higher than tier four or five for me.

[Ezzard]

Don't count HWs and all the others are in my next tier which was to be something like...

Eder Jofre
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Tony Canzoneri
Emile Griffith
Kid Gavilan
Ray Leonard
Kid Lewis
Carlos Monzon
Ike Williams
Charley Burley

[elmersalsa]

Ezzard. Do you have a personal p4p list? I would like to see it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Don't count HWs and all the others are in my next tier which was to be something like...

Eder Jofre
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Tony Canzoneri
Emile Griffith
Kid Gavilan
Ray Leonard
Kid Lewis
Carlos Monzon
Ike Williams
Charley Burley

Holman Williams, Whitaker & Hearns off the top of my head.

[misterpunch]

hearns would certainly take off the top of your head

[Ezzard]

Britton has about 10 wins over Kid Lewis and wins over Benny Leonard Mickey Walker, O'Dowd and a whole raft of contender types... I have to put him in.

[Ezzard]

Holman had a terrific career and most of us simply forget about him. Whittaker's career doesn't really stack up at this level, as brilliant as he was.

[Ezzard]

Ezzard. Do you have a personal p4p list? I would like to see it.

This is about as close as I'll ever get Elmer but even this I would change from day to day...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Britton has about 10 wins over Kid Lewis and wins over Benny Leonard Mickey Walker, O'Dowd and a whole raft of contender types... I have to put him in.

Leonard dominated Britton from all reports I've read. Great fighter, just not that high for me.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Holman had a terrific career and most of us simply forget about him. Whittaker's career doesn't really stack up at this level, as brilliant as he was.

Whatever tier Burley is in, Holman has to be with him imo. I think Whitaker compares favorably to Willie Pep.

[Tinnie]

I like the idea of a tier and enjoy your choices Ezzard.

Was wondering which one of Langford's contemporaries would slip into these type of lists.... Gans is probobly the obvious one, astonishing scalp for a young Langford.... but who from there??.... his partners in crime Jeanette, McVea,Wills, ect were all HWs....

[Ezzard]

George Dixon and Jack Blackburn would be up there for sure... Terry McGovern and Ketchel too.

[Ezzard]

Don't count HWs and all the others are in my next tier which was to be something like...

Eder Jofre
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Tony Canzoneri
Emile Griffith
Kid Gavilan
Ray Leonard
Kid Lewis
Carlos Monzon
Ike Williams
Charley Burley

Bob Fitzsimmons should be in this tier.