Gerrie Coetzee vs.....

[RazorKO]

Okay, I can't help but to respond to this. A neighbor worked security for Dokes while he was in Akron for the Coetzee fight. According to him, Dokes attended parties nearly every night the week prior to the fight and was not sober at these parties. While he did not actually see him using drugs, he did see him drinking and he saw a lot of people using drugs. Based on this eyewitness evidence, I would say that it's a safe bet to say that Dokes was far from a well trained athlete that night.

Without sources or links, your post means crap.
A lot of people credit Douglas for beating Tyson, why dont they credit Coetzee for beating Dokes.

Are you calling me a liar? What a complete asshole you are. What type of a source do you want? I know the guy -- he's my neighbor. You want me to post his name and address? This isn't the type of thing a guy with a business publishes in a magazine. I live in Dokes hometown, and even worked with his cousin. Perhaps you should consider the possiblity that Dokes may not have been at his best that night, because I'm assure he wasn't.

Any you might want to take a realistic look at your idols record. Besides Dokes, his entire resume consists of a draw with Thomas, a win over an over the hill Tillis and a KO1 of Leon Spinks. He lost to every other quality fighter that he fought.

Of course Im calling you a liar, if Dokes was drugged and doped up he wouldnt of lasted 10 rounds even if he thought someone like Reggie stickland. I dont buy your arguement. People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson, but when it comes to Coetzee - Dokes fight they give him no credit......and dont forget the 'long count' happened in the Douglas-Tyson fight, not this fight.

I could easily say Foreman was drugged up against Ali, but whos going to believe it What about Wlad when he fought Brewster? I can easily lie without posting links etc just like YOU have.



Asshole.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

razor wrote

Weaver knocked out an exhausted green Coetzee

o so now coetzee is green?? dont give me that bull coetzee was at his peak, he simply lost to the better fighter.


razor

......and he still was ahead on the cards

no he wasnt, all 3 judges had weaver ahead

After the Weaver fight Coetzee improved a hell of a lot of the fight and became a boxer-puncher similar to Holmes

yes it did real good for him considering he lost to renaldo snipes and greg page.

And plus Weaver hits just as hard as Marciano. His left hook is leagues above Marciano

it wasnt LEAGUES above marciano. marciano wasnt a one arm fighter. he had a very good left hook and knocked out a lot of people with it in his career.

marciano by far the better two fisted puncher than weaver




did u watch

marciano vs kid mathews- did u see those left hooks?? it was perhaps marcianos best polished knockout, those left hooks were rapidly fast too. mathews was never counted out outside of tha fight and he had over 100 bouts.

marciano vs louis- rocky floors joe with hard left hook


marciano vs vingo- marciano knocks vingo into a coma with one left hooK!


from the accounts i read, marciano knocked out 6'4 254lb jerry jackson out cold with one left hook


marciano knocked out moore, charles with left hooks.


yet ur telling me he didnt have a left hook?

[The Great John L]

Without sources or links, your post means crap.
A lot of people credit Douglas for beating Tyson, why dont they credit Coetzee for beating Dokes.

Are you calling me a liar? What a complete asshole you are. What type of a source do you want? I know the guy -- he's my neighbor. You want me to post his name and address? This isn't the type of thing a guy with a business publishes in a magazine. I live in Dokes hometown, and even worked with his cousin. Perhaps you should consider the possiblity that Dokes may not have been at his best that night, because I'm assure he wasn't.

Any you might want to take a realistic look at your idols record. Besides Dokes, his entire resume consists of a draw with Thomas, a win over an over the hill Tillis and a KO1 of Leon Spinks. He lost to every other quality fighter that he fought.

Of course Im calling you a liar, if Dokes was drugged and doped up he wouldnt of lasted 10 rounds even if he thought someone like Reggie stickland. I dont buy your arguement. People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson, but when it comes to Coetzee - Dokes fight they give him no credit......and dont forget the 'long count' happened in the Douglas-Tyson fight, not this fight.

I could easily say Foreman was drugged up against Ali, but whos going to believe tit What about Wlad when he fought Brewster? I can easily lie without posting links etc just like YOU have.

Thanks, you have provided more evidence for my earlier judgement that you are a complete asshole. Please explain what LINKS YOU WANT FOOL.

Do you think I should provide you with his name and address just so you have a better respect for me as a person? I'm sorry if you are completely bereft of friends, knowledge and social skills, but please don't assume that those of us who actually know something about the fight game, and have actual acquaintances in the sport are prone to spreading lies and un-truths.

Please crawl back under the rock from whence you came so the grownups may have an intelligent discussion about the manly art.

Always on the level. John L

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson, but when it comes to Coetzee - Dokes fight they give him no credit......and dont forget the 'long count' happened in the Douglas-Tyson fight, not this fight.

what u just said was michael dokes was as good as mike tyson
















































































dave jaco TKO 7 razor ruddock

[JC]

People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson

No usualy enough to put him at 10th best heavyweight ever on any list.

[RazorKO]

People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson

No usualy enough to put him at 10th best heavyweight ever on any list.

Ive seen people say that Douglas on that night beats anyone in history.
Nuff said.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

People give HUGE amounts of credit to Douglas in knocking out Tyson

No usualy enough to put him at 10th best heavyweight ever on any list.

Ive seen people say that Douglas on that night beats anyone in history.
Nuff said.

WELL THERE WRONG



- to be honest, for you to compare coetzee wins over dokes to douglas win over tyson is outragoes.


TYSON was 10x more deadly, better, feared than dokes was.


- so for douglas to beat mike tyson means A HELL of a lot more than coetzee beating dokes

[RazorKO]

No usualy enough to put him at 10th best heavyweight ever on any list.

Ive seen people say that Douglas on that night beats anyone in history.
Nuff said.

WELL THERE WRONG



- to be honest, for you to compare coetzee wins over dokes to douglas win over tyson is outragoes.


TYSON was 10x more deadly, better, feared than dokes was.


- so for douglas to beat mike tyson means A HELL of a lot more than coetzee beating dokes

At least Douglas gets credit for beating Tyson. But the same cant be said for Coetzee, no one has ever outboxed Dokes and knocked him out flat in his prime like Gerrie did. Even a past his prime Dokes gave Holyfield one hell of a fight and Holyfield was in severe trouble in the mid rounds from those left hooks by Dokes. And that was past his prime Dokes who was probably on drugs then as Dokes spent a lot time going on rampage in the late 80's.

Holyfield went life and death with Dokes while Coetzee embrassed and destroyed him. So to say Dokes wasnt a good fighter, ask Holyfield and he'll say different.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

At least Douglas gets credit for beating Tyson. But the same cant be said for Coetzee, no one has ever outboxed Dokes and knocked him out flat in his prime like Gerrie did

mike weaver did but got robbed in the rematch




- uve got to be kidding me, ur comparing tysons win over dokes to douglas win over tyson.

coetzee did not go into the fight against the most destructable and feared man on earth as a 40-1 underdog.


u think dokes was better than tyson???

- tysson was the baddest man on the planet who had just wiped out all of the 80s alpha champs with ease and he was thought to be invinsible.

dokes on the other hand was a man who built up a padded record, then got a bullshit stoppage over weaver. then right before coetzee fight, weaver outboxed dokes but was robbed. going into that fight, dokes was just another ordinary 80s heavyweight. TYSON WAS NOT.




dokes was not past his prime vs holyifeld. he was only 30 and put up one of his career best preformances vs holyfield.







conclusion: dokes was NO mike tyson,

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i find it funny how ur trying to talk up michael dokes as some big time master boxer

- then when i bring up the losses


according to u :


tate and weaver losses were when gerrie was green


renaldo snipes was a robbery



greg page poinsened coetzee to make him weaker



and coetzee was shot vs bruno, and would have beat beat bruno in his prime







heres the truth:


-coetzee was simply out boxed by the ackward giant, because soetzee did not have enough skill

- weaver was a better fighter and wore down coatzee outslugging him and outlastaing the dead tiried coetzee

- yes he should have got the decision over snipes, but big deal. how big of an accomplishment is that?? the fight was also very close and u can make a case for both sides though i lean toward gerrie.

- got outclassed and the shit kicked out of him by the better heavyweight in page. page was simply the better fighter with more skill IMO.


- coetzee wasnt shot vs bruno, he was not at his best but still had fight left and bruno completley trashed him in one round leaving no doubt bruno probably would have beat any version of coetzee.


- coetzee fought on even terms with a green pinklon thomas.






i might add coetzee was not dominating dokes, it was a very close fight.

[The Great John L]

Of course Im calling you a liar, if Dokes was drugged and doped up he wouldnt of lasted 10 rounds even if he thought someone like Reggie stickland.

Oh yes, you need to work on your reading comprehension as well. At no time did I say he was "drugged and doped up". I stated that he attended parties during the week where drug use was evident and that he drank at these parties. I said that he was not seen using drugs at the parties. How you got to the statement that "Dokes was drugged and doped up" when he entered the ring is a bit baffling and perhaps a good indication of your limited intelligence.

[RazorKO]

i find it funny how ur trying to talk up michael dokes as some big time master boxer

- then when i bring up the losses


according to u :


tate and weaver losses were when gerrie was green


renaldo snipes was a robbery



greg page poinsened coetzee to make him weaker



and coetzee was shot vs bruno, and would have beat beat bruno in his prime







heres the truth:


-coetzee was simply out boxed by the ackward giant, because soetzee did not have enough skill

- weaver was a better fighter and wore down coatzee outslugging him and outlastaing the dead tiried coetzee

- yes he should have got the decision over snipes, but big deal. how big of an accomplishment is that?? the fight was also very close and u can make a case for both sides though i lean toward gerrie.

- got outclassed and the shit kicked out of him by the better heavyweight in page. page was simply the better fighter with more skill IMO.


- coetzee wasnt shot vs bruno, he was not at his best but still had fight left and bruno completley trashed him in one round leaving no doubt bruno probably would have beat any version of coetzee.


- coetzee fought on even terms with a green pinklon thomas.






i might add coetzee was not dominating dokes, it was a very close fight.

In the Tate fight Coetzee was actually dominating until he tired out and Tate swept the championship rounds, and even that fight was close but I admitt Tate won the fight.

Ad for Weaver, I already said that Coetzee was green and neglected to his jab and movement...instead he brawled with Weaver and no one dared do that.....and still Gerrie came close to winning. Coetzee took shots that would of knocked out or floored Marciano. Exhaustion hurt Gerrie more than Weavers punchers.

Snipes - Well if you thought that fight was close than you CANT of seen the fight, The absolute worse decision in history. How can a man be floored twice in the 1st and 4th rounds, and fight to SURVIVE for the first 7 rounds be announced as the winner? I had Snipes winning 2 rounds, and thats the 9th and 10th and even that people can make an arguement that Coetzee even won the 10th. Snipes had a good 9th and hit Coetzee with a haymaker right hand and Coetzee didnt even take a step back....the same punch that floored Holmes.

Page - Again if you think Page kicked the shit out of him, then again you cant of seen the fight, have you ever seen the 8th round where Coetzee has Page groggling around the ring...or even the first 2 rounds where Page is again fighting to survive. And that was a sedated Gerrie Coetzee who had 17 hand operations.

Bruno - This fight isnt even worth talking about. And then you say Bruno would of beaten any version? The same Bruno that nearly was KNOCKED OUT by Jumbo Cummings.

Thomas - Coetzee won on one persons card, but two judges had it even. Coetzee still did enough to win but drawing with Thomas is no shame, seeing as he beat Bruno's conquerer Witherspoon, the same Witherspoon who lost an SD to Holmes and also beat various other 80's HW champs like Page, Bonecrusher, Tubbs etc. Add Tillis to that list.
Thomas was also reconed to have the best jab after Holmes in the 80's and was a world class fighter.

mike weaver did but got robbed in the rematch

But did Weaver win by KO, he drew with Dokes. Coetzee is and the only man to knock out a prime Dokes. Holyfield couldnt knock him out flat like that against an old Dokes who was probably on drugs by then.

[RazorKO]

Of course Im calling you a liar, if Dokes was drugged and doped up he wouldnt of lasted 10 rounds even if he thought someone like Reggie stickland.

Oh yes, you need to work on your reading comprehension as well. At no time did I say he was "drugged and doped up". I stated that he attended parties during the week where drug use was evident and that he drank at these parties. I said that he was not seen using drugs at the parties. How you got to the statement that "Dokes was drugged and doped up" when he entered the ring is a bit baffling and perhaps a good indication of your limited intelligence.

If you didnt say he was using drugs then why bring it up in the conversation fool . Same as drinking which can effect you on which you have claimed.

Although English wasnt my first languae, what about yours.

[The Great John L]

Of course Im calling you a liar, if Dokes was drugged and doped up he wouldnt of lasted 10 rounds even if he thought someone like Reggie stickland.

Oh yes, you need to work on your reading comprehension as well. At no time did I say he was "drugged and doped up". I stated that he attended parties during the week where drug use was evident and that he drank at these parties. I said that he was not seen using drugs at the parties. How you got to the statement that "Dokes was drugged and doped up" when he entered the ring is a bit baffling and perhaps a good indication of your limited intelligence.

If you didnt say he was using drugs then why bring it up in the conversation fool . Same as drinking which can effect you on which you have claimed.

Although English wasnt my first languae, what about yours.

I didn't bring up the subject of Dokes using drugs. You're the one that somehow came to the conclusion that he was "drugged and doped up" when he entered the ring. I was stating that he was not in proper control of his actions leading up to an important fight by describing his actions in the week before the fight. I did mention him drinking, but did not state that he was using drugs.

Perhaps you should just quit while you're way behind.

[The Great John L]

And that was a sedated Gerrie Coetzee who had 17 hand operations.

Are you saying that Coetzee was on drugs during one of his fights?

But did Weaver win by KO, he drew with Dokes. Coetzee is and the only man to knock out a prime Dokes. Holyfield couldnt knock him out flat like that against an old Dokes who was probably on drugs by then.

There you go again with the drugs. Seems like you have a one track mind.

The sad part of this is that I was a Coetzee fan in the 80's, but thanks to your stupid wild ass claims it's hard to take any discussions of his career seriously.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

In the Tate fight Coetzee was actually dominating until he tired out and Tate swept the championship rounds, and even that fight was close but I admitt Tate won the fight.

exaactley so how is he going to keep up with a pace 10x more than the one he saw vs tate if he faced marciano??

Coetzee took shots that would of knocked out or floored Marciano

-coetzee was floored by 11-6 184lb harmet sassi


now ur questioning marcianos chin when he was never badly hurt in his career, and coetzee was knocked out twice in his prime once by lighthitting page.

Exhaustion hurt Gerrie more than Weavers punchers.

and u dont think he would get tired vs marciano?

Ad for Weaver, I already said that Coetzee was green

no he wasnt, he was very much in his prime. this happened AFTER the tate and spinx fights.

have you ever seen the 8th round where Coetzee has Page groggling around the ring...

umm i did see the 8th round where page annihalatess and knocks out coetzee

Bruno - This fight isnt even worth talking about.

ur right it happened so damm fast and easy, it wasnt much of a fight.

bruno KO 1 coetzee

Thomas - Coetzee won on one persons card, but two judges had it even. Coetzee still did enough to win but drawing with Thomas is no shame, seeing as he beat Bruno's conquerer Witherspoon, the same Witherspoon who lost an SD to Holmes and also beat various other 80's HW champs like Page, Bonecrusher, Tubbs etc. Add Tillis to that list.
Thomas was also reconed to have the best jab after Holmes in the 80's and was a world class fighter.

thomas was green

Coetzee is and the only man to knock out a prime Dokes

WOW what a monumental classic all time accomplishment! considering he knocked out a drugged up boozer dokes. btw, u seem to have a high opinion of dokes, where do u rate him?



also, outside of coetzee and weavaer, dokess had an INCREDIBLE padded record loaded with TUB BUMS.





lets look at coetzees best wins


coetzee Ko 10 boozer dokes

coetzee tko 1 leon spinx

coetzee KO 8 scott le doux

WOW WHAT A RESUME



marcianos 3 best wins(record wise, not best fought fight)


KO 1 jersey joe walcott

KO 8 ezzard charles

KO 9 archie moore




uhh letss compare, we have 3 Hall of famers on marcianos resume and one champion and 2 journeyman on coetzees resume.

[RazorKO]

umm i did see the 8th round where page annihalatess and knocks out coetzee

I was meant to say the 7th round where Page was groggling around ring. And to prove you have seen the fight, name the exact combination that knocked out Coetzee.

ur right it happened so damm fast and easy, it wasnt much of a fight

Maybe you should quote the whole thing instead of picking lines that suits you, Bruno was nearly knocked out flat by Jumbo Cummings. If Coetzee had him like that, Coetzee would of flattened him. If the bell rung to save him, then Coetzee would of KO'ed him the next round.

thomas was green

Nope, he was ranked 6th in the world and had kncoked out Tillis with ease, also beat Witherspoon, Weaver, Ratliff etc.

no he wasnt, he was very much in his prime. this happened AFTER the tate and spinx fights.

Again you are quoting which suits your arguement. I said Coetzee was green as he neglected his jab and movement, in the Tate fight he didnt show a jab nor did he in the Spinks fight. The Coetzee after Weaver improved and was at his best from 81 -83.

WOW what a monumental classic all time accomplishment! considering he knocked out a drugged up boozer dokes. btw, u seem to have a high opinion of dokes, where do u rate him?

It is a accomplishment seeing as Coetzee beat him around the ring, flooring him in the 5th and eventually KO'ing him in a VERY onsided fight.....the same Dokes 6 years later who was in drug rehab and was past his prime gave a PRIME Holyfield probably THE toughest fight of his career.

marcianos 3 best wins(record wise, not best fought fight)


KO 1 jersey joe walcott

KO 8 ezzard charles

KO 9 archie moore

Old Walcott gave Rocky a boxing lesson.
Old Lightheavyweight Charles gave Rocky a good fight and also nearly stopped him on cuts in the rematch.
Old lightheavyweight Moore floored Rocky and was floored 5 times himself....but a year later was knocked out flat by a green Floyd Patterson.

uhh letss compare, we have 3 Hall of famers on marcianos resume and one champion and 2 journeyman on coetzees resume

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You seem to forget that Spinks himself held the linear title. No one gave Coetzee a chance again Spinks.....and Gerrie walked right through him. Spinks also beat the no1 contender Mercado, beat Ali who came of a good win over Shavers and gave Holmes a good fight. Spinks had more heart than anyone did while he was fighting.

[RazorKO]

Are you saying that Coetzee was on drugs during one of his fights?

Sedated means he needed painkillers to help his hand in his upcomming fight. Without it he couldnt of fought Page and was threatned on being stripped of the title.

And then you say I need to improve my Reading Comprehension. If you can speak Zulu as good as I can speak English, then feel free to insult as much as you want. Otherwise put a sock in your garbage mouth so we dont have to smell your bullshit.

[The Great John L]

If you can speak Zulu as good as I can speak English, then feel free to insult as much as you want. Otherwise put a sock in your garbage mouth so we dont have to smell your bullshit.

You fired the first volley in this exchange by calling me a liar. Am I to assume that you are now claiming to be able to speak Zulu? Where's your proof of this claim?

Again I suggest that you might want to tone down your pro Coetzee rhetoric since all it is doing is causing people to take his accomplishments less seriously. Your unbridled passion for him is a bit baffling, and seems to be compromising both your judgement and your civility. Are you related to him in some way? Or perhaps you are a close personal companion?

[The Great John L]

Are you saying that Coetzee was on drugs during one of his fights?

Sedated means he needed painkillers to help his hand in his upcomming fight. Without it he couldnt of fought Page and was threatned on being stripped of the title.

And then you say I need to improve my Reading Comprehension.

If you haven't figured it out yet, this was sarcasm.

Are you sure that he was actually "sedated" for any of his fights? I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't think that he would have been able to pass a drug test if he was actually sedated. Perhaps you meant that a local anesthetic had to be administered to allow him to fight through the pain of his many hand surgeries?

[The Great John L]

You seem to forget that Spinks himself held the linear title. No one gave Coetzee a chance again Spinks.....and Gerrie walked right through him. Spinks also beat the no1 contender Mercado, beat Ali who came of a good win over Shavers and gave Holmes a good fight. Spinks had more heart than anyone did while he was fighting.

Spinks gave Holmes a good fight? And Coetzee could have beaten Marciano and Lewis. You sure do make this forum entertaining. Keep up the good work.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

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[RazorKO]

You seem to forget that Spinks himself held the linear title. No one gave Coetzee a chance again Spinks.....and Gerrie walked right through him. Spinks also beat the no1 contender Mercado, beat Ali who came of a good win over Shavers and gave Holmes a good fight. Spinks had more heart than anyone did while he was fighting.

Spinks gave Holmes a good fight? And Coetzee could have beaten Marciano and Lewis. You sure do make this forum entertaining. Keep up the good work.

Spinks lost the 2 first rounds closely as Holmes was backpeddling, it might of been a short fight, but Holmes said on his website that Leon Spinks had the most heart of anyone he fought.

[The Great John L]

You seem to forget that Spinks himself held the linear title. No one gave Coetzee a chance again Spinks.....and Gerrie walked right through him. Spinks also beat the no1 contender Mercado, beat Ali who came of a good win over Shavers and gave Holmes a good fight. Spinks had more heart than anyone did while he was fighting.

Spinks gave Holmes a good fight? And Coetzee could have beaten Marciano and Lewis. You sure do make this forum entertaining. Keep up the good work.

Spinks lost the 2 first rounds closely as Holmes was backpeddling, it might of been a short fight, but Holmes said on his website that Leon Spinks had the most heart of anyone he fought.

Yes, you are correct that Leon had a great deal of heart. Unfortunately he didn't give Holmes much of a fight though.

[Ambling Alp]

I will say that Coetzee did get a bad decision against Snipes, and that he may be slightly underrated. He was at about the same level as the rest of the alphabet soup champions of the 1980's.
And it is possible that Lewis would be lackluster and might just paw with his jab,which he did sometimes. If that happened Coetzee might last several rounds, maybe even go the distance. Still to think that he had more than a punchers chance to win against Marciano or Lewis is ridiculaus. He simply wasn't close their level.