RIP Rubin Hurricane Carter

[hhascup]

I lived only a few blocks away from the bar that this happened. I also knew both John Artis and Rubin Carter a little.

Artis ran the hurdles for Central High School a few years before and I ran distance races for Passaic County Tech, both schools were located in Paterson at the time.

I met Carter several years before at the Riverside Oval in Paterson and he even pitched some softball (http://www.BS.com/forums/showt ... p?t=137142#). One time he and several of his friends went across the street of the ball field and went bowling. I followed him and he asked me to keep score, which I did. Also, when he pitched he used to let me sit with his team, he called me kid.

When I was in high school they let me go to the court house several times to do a report on the case. It was some long days, but I reported back what I saw and heard. They had several family (http://www.BS.com/forums/showt ... p?t=137142#) members of the people that were killed on the stand. It was pretty sad and some of the items they showed were still full of blood.

I also knew Lt. Vince DeSimone some, and several of my friends knew him very well and they all said he was a honest cop and would never have done what the picture stated he did. Just read the site that Cal Deal has and you can make your own judgement.

Carter was on his way down as a boxer when this happened, just look at his record.

Cal Deal did a GREAT JOB in getting the material together and I read his site many times over the years.

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/index.html

I read just about everything about this case and I believe that both John Artis and Rubin Carter were and still are Guilty, But now the Only Judge that counts in the end has Judged him!

[DaveyMac]

I don't know if he did it or not, probably he did, maybe he didn't, who knows?

But I'll tell you this there are hundreds of black men on death row, and thousands who have been sentenced to death, lynched, etc for nothing at all.
The exoneration project, using DNA, has exonerated mostly black men. In Dallas County, Texas alone the number is ridiculous. And you know what in many of these cases, the person who did have the matching DNA was white and was the prime witness against the accused. So basically in Texas white folks would kill who they wanted and then point to the nearest black guy and say guess what the (insert racist expletive) did it, and next thing you know the fella was on death row.

In the United States we have more people in prison than China, India and Russia combined. We have "privatized" our prisons so now we have people with a financial interest in prisons lobbying elected officials for stiffer sentences. Our prisons are disproportionately black and blacks receive longer sentences for the same crime as whites.

Racism in the United States is a very real thing and so maybe Carter "got away with it", none of us will ever really know, but what we do know is thousands of white men have "got away with it" and they did so by pointing the finger at some poor black guy. So that's justice in America, little unfair to bitch about Carter getting off when so many have died needlessly.

[hhascup]

I don't know if he did it or not, probably he did, maybe he didn't, who knows?

But I'll tell you this there are hundreds of black men on death row, and thousands who have been sentenced to death, lynched, etc for nothing at all.
The exoneration project, using DNA, has exonerated mostly black men. In Dallas County, Texas alone the number is ridiculous. And you know what in many of these cases, the person who did have the matching DNA was white and was the prime witness against the accused. So basically in Texas white folks would kill who they wanted and then point to the nearest black guy and say guess what the (insert racist expletive) did it, and next thing you know the fella was on death row.

In the United States we have more people in prison than China, India and Russia combined. We have "privatized" our prisons so now we have people with a financial interest in prisons lobbying elected officials for stiffer sentences. Our prisons are disproportionately black and blacks receive longer sentences for the same crime as whites.

Racism in the United States is a very real thing and so maybe Carter "got away with it", none of us will ever really know, but what we do know is thousands of white men have "got away with it" and they did so by pointing the finger at some poor black guy. So that's justice in America, little unfair to bitch about Carter getting off when so many have died needlessly.

I agree with most of what your saying. There will always be some White people that hate Blacks But there also some Black people that hate Whites. I do most of the ring announcing in the state of New Jersey and every time I go into the ring I see some blood on the canvas. I can't tell if it's from a White person or a Black person or any other color person. I just wish people were color blind when it comes to this.

[No Tomorrow]

^

Do you do just Boxing or MMA as well?

If just Boxing - are you the dreads dude?

[mrbassie]

But now the Only Judge that counts in the end has Judged him!

The internet?

[hhascup]

I do mostly boxing But I have done MMA as well.

GOD will be his Final Judge!

[palooka]

You're in a lot of hot water fella

[hhascup]

^

Do you do just Boxing or MMA as well?

If just Boxing - are you the dreads dude?

No the dreads dude is also a friend of mine who also is the PA announcer for the Brooklyn Nets.

You can google my name "Henry Hascup" to find several bio's on myself.

[hhascup]

H Has Cup,

Any information on this..... Rubin Carter vs. Ernie Burford bout.

Saturday ~ June 23, 1962 {Madison Square Garden}

ABC-TV Fight with Don Dunphy

The Fight Poster stated that it was 10-Rounder, but Box/Rec has it as an 8-Rounder.

This bout was the main undercard for Joey Archer - Jose Gonzalez

The Memphis Light-Middleweight shocked everyone, when he 'upset' the Hurricane by a Unanimous Decision.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... FxIQgUa1HQ

On page 57 of September 1962 Ring Magazine it states the following:

The latest knockout "sensation," Rubin Cater, 160½, Paterson, N.J., didn't have much luck with his punch against the ringwise Ernie Burford, 153½, Memphis, Tenn., in the semi-final eight. Burford was too shifty and experienced.

[hhascup]

Mr. H Has Cup,

Excellent.........

I see that Ernie Burford was being billed as;

Beating > Henry Hank {November 25, 1958} and Charley Joseph {July 27, 1959}
Drawing > Gene Armstrong {September 21, 1960}

Nice 'promoting' by Matchmaker ~ Teddy Brenner for a June 23, 1962 bout, seeing that Ernie was TKO'd in his previous 2-Bouts
in 1961.

Well he did But I know what your talking about! They only put in what they want too to make the fight seem better then it actually is.

[hhascup]

Thanks Mr. 'H'

I found some information on Ernie Burford,

Who said his 'upset' victory over Rubin Carter on June 23, 1962 at Madison Square Garden salvaged his career.

Ernie said that Rubin could punch holes in Plaster Walls, but he went 'Out-of-Steam' after the 2nd-Round in their
1st Bout.

After Ernie 'upset' Rubin, he was invited back to the Garden and was supposed to fight "The Fighting Leatherneck"
Tommy Schaefer 17-2-1 {8 KO's} in August 1962.

Sounds Good!