Is Floyd Mayweather really The Best Ever (TBE)?

[Bobbyptsd]

No way José. Resume doesn't stack up compared to other best of the best. Plus making Canelo come down 2 pound was a real turn off.

Yeah, that was significant.

[gilgamesh]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

[Brut]

No way José. Resume doesn't stack up compared to other best of the best. Plus making Canelo come down 2 pound was a real turn off.

But clearly avoids the fact that he was 164lbs on fight night

[Uppercut1]

Any boxing "fan" who who even entertains the thought of Floyd being the best ever is almost as nuts as Charlie Z and bnovelist combined.

[G.McClellan]

At the end of the day... there just isn't an answer to the Mayweather problem... there simply isn't anyone in the guys league, and its not because he is so damn great--- its because, for the most part, there is no one out there who can effectively challenge him.

The solution to the Mayweather problem is one, Keith Thurman.

A)Plenty of fighters have challenged him, they couldn't beat him, because he is a great fighter. I figured that was pretty clear by now.

B) Thurman is becoming a bit overrated by some fans, to put it mildly. He certainly has a lot of potential, but the guy's best wins are Julio Diaz and Soto-Karass,and the latter hurt him. Important to keep things in perspective, lest we play another round of "Who would beat Mayweather?"

I would argue Diego Chavez was Thurman's best win. In my humble opinnion Chavez is a future champion himself.
Sometimes it's about how you go about your job. Put anyone in front of the brothers Klitschko and they get beat. No debate, no excuses, the result is confirmed by way of K.O. You could argue thus far Thurman has followed that blueprint. The blueprint of Champions.
Let's not forget Thurman is Mayweather's mandatory for the WBA. You don't get to be in that position without doing something right.

[scallum]

No way José. Resume doesn't stack up compared to other best of the best. Plus making Canelo come down 2 pound was a real turn off.

But clearly avoids the fact that he was 164lbs on fight night

Have you actually seen fighters cut weight before? Sumtimes 1 extra pound is brutal, trust me I have seen guys almost dying trying to cut 1 extra pound

[scallum]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

Do you not find it ironic that just a few fights ago Mayweather said he doesn't believe in making fighters cut weight, he wants them at the best weight they feel comfortable at

[NateJR]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

Do you not find it ironic that just a few fights ago Mayweather said he doesn't believe in making fighters cut weight, he wants them at the best weight they feel comfortable at

Yep and considering Alvarez offered to fight Floyd at 150 less than year before they fought is a clear indication that Alvarez felt he was comfortable losing a couple extra pounds. Floyd didn't demand a catchweight against Alvarez, Alvarez put that offer on the table and Floyd took it.

[NateJR]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

Do you not find it ironic that just a few fights ago Mayweather said he doesn't believe in making fighters cut weight, he wants them at the best weight they feel comfortable at

Yep and considering Alvarez offered to fight Floyd at 150 less than year before they fought is a clear indication that Alvarez felt he was comfortable losing a couple extra pounds. Floyd didn't demand a catchweight against Alvarez, Alvarez put that offer on the table and Floyd took it.

[Brut]

before they fought is a clear indication that Alvarez felt he was comfortable losing a couple extra pounds. Floyd didn't demand a catchweight against Alvarez, Alvarez put that offer on the table and Floyd took it.

They'll keep avoiding or denying that all day long but will say nothing about how Rerun drains his opponents damn near all the time.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/11/29/2 ... oxing-news

[scallum]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

Do you not find it ironic that just a few fights ago Mayweather said he doesn't believe in making fighters cut weight, he wants them at the best weight they feel comfortable at

Yep and considering Alvarez offered to fight Floyd at 150 less than year before they fought is a clear indication that Alvarez felt he was comfortable losing a couple extra pounds. Floyd didn't demand a catchweight against Alvarez, Alvarez put that offer on the table and Floyd took it.

Says team Floyd lol. Team Alvarez says sumthing a lil different. A true tbe would've said im going to 154 and take the title from Canel

[HomicideHenry]

Well in all honesty even if he were to fight either SM or BHop and win the first excuse will be that both were old and weight drained and for anyone (including you) to say that Floyd hasn't taken any risk then that is unfair because any fighter who moves up and faces opponents in a higher weight class is taking a risk.

It is unfair to give credit to fighters of old simply because the fact that they fought on free TV and their opponents were more well known than most of these fighters today and simply boil them down to basically nobodies because of it. I think we have to consider how the media and marketing has changed and made an effect on the sport of boxing as well, when I was a kid ABC Wide World of Sports came on damn near every Saturday and you got to see fighters regularly so you knew who they were and it was for free.

Today's fighters (especially the ones without big names) are lucky to get on some well known fighter's undercard to get a bit of notoriety and should they win in an exciting fashion they may be asked to come back or placed on future big show fight cards but basically they get very limited exposure and what little they do comes with the cost of the PPV.

I bet if we were to do a comparison of the opponents of the likes of the greats like SRL, TH, RD, Ali and with the exception of the few well known names on their resumes then we'd end up with a list of fighters that hardly anyone recognizes at all, the difference being that some or most of those guys that they fought when they got more well known were featured on regular tv for free.

I can still remember guys like Frank "The Animal Fletcher and whatnot, today outside of Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson and a handful of others the boxing public can scarcely tell you who is out there. I challenge anyone to line of the records of these opponents of the ATG minus those with a great name and the resumes of such will be on par with those of the great fighters like Floyd and Manny are fighting today.

Who's to really say who could've beaten who if guys like TH, SRL, SRR and the likes were around today; none of us really know.....all we have is our favorites and our own personal biases of those who we like or dislike but it still doesn't mean we know for sure. For all we know a guy like Herrera could've beaten Hearns, who really knows?? (rhetorical)

If he fought Martinez, who is a small middleweight who originally was junior middleweight, and beat him rather convincingly--- I wouldn't take anything away from Mayweather--- because the weight disparity would be next to nothing as Martinez in civilian life isn't much bigger than when he fights. Which is the same was as it is for Mayweather.

As for BHOP, I can't see him at 50 years old weight draining to 160 and being successful. Its too much on the body, and BHOP wouldn't be able to bounce back from it. It would be the same premise as when Jones went to heavyweight, then down to light heavyweight, etc. except in the reverse. I remember when Leonard dropped down to fight Norris, and it was a nightmare. The same thing would happen to BHOP.

[punchoutsb]

Not even close.

But he's definitely among the best of his generation. There are very few guys today who even come close.

[ReggieDiggs]

the weight disparity would be next to nothing as Martinez in civilian life isn't much bigger than when he fights. Which is the same was as it is for Mayweather.

Idk about this. I believe Sergio was 170 @ the recent 30 day weigh in. I bet he probably walks around 10-15% (176-184lbs) higher then he fights at at least.

[dizneyfist]

Floyd is unwilling to the defy the definition of TBE so therefore he can't possibly be the best ever. Floyd should have already been done with Pacquiao afterwards he'd easily make 154 and campaign there and maybe seek a title at 160 then fight Andre Ward at 158. As you could see in his build he could make 154 rather easily but he elects to put the rope-a-dope on you followers with excuses of how his hands are brittle, he's too small. Was Duran to small to fight Iran Barkley? Shit yes, but he did it! What about maybe you're just afraid to see Floyd be really challenged or worse case lose. If you're so confident that he's the best you wouldn't have excuses and instead put your energy towards pushing for him to prove the naysayers wrong. The problem with this generation is your to easy to satisfy and to accept and accomodate the actions of a diva. I admit I thought he was headed in the right path when he beat Corrales but afterwards it was all business moves to get him the most money with the least amount of risk and that's been his trademark ever since and that doesn't help your claim to being the best in the slightest.

[IKSRTFO]

before they fought is a clear indication that Alvarez felt he was comfortable losing a couple extra pounds. Floyd didn't demand a catchweight against Alvarez, Alvarez put that offer on the table and Floyd took it.

They'll keep avoiding or denying that all day long but will say nothing about how Rerun drains his opponents damn near all the time.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/11/29/2 ... oxing-news

Just like DLH OFFERED to fight anyone at 147. Floyd denied and retired. Pacquiao accepted and DLH was criticized for cherry picking Pacquiao.

[IKSRTFO]

the weight disparity would be next to nothing as Martinez in civilian life isn't much bigger than when he fights. Which is the same was as it is for Mayweather.

Idk about this. I believe Sergio was 170 @ the recent 30 day weigh in. I bet he probably walks around 10-15% (176-184lbs) higher then he fights at at least.

Or he probably walks around at 170.

[The Irish Assassin]

Just like DLH OFFERED to fight anyone at 147. Floyd denied and retired. Pacquiao accepted and was criticized for cherry picking Pacquiao.

You're ridiculous... Floyd fought AND BEAT De La Hoya at 154, but he's afraid to fight him at 147 a year later? Stop with the bias, already.

[IKSRTFO]

Just like DLH OFFERED to fight anyone at 147. Floyd denied and retired. Pacquiao accepted and was criticized for cherry picking Pacquiao.

You're ridiculous... Floyd fought AND BEAT De La Hoya at 154, but he's afraid to fight him at 147 a year later? Stop with the bias, already.

Where did I say he was afraid??????????

I said DLH was going to fight at 147 regardless of who it was. Floyd was originally planning to rematch. Floyd decided to retire and DLH was looking for an opponent. He chose Pacquiao and caught a lot of flack for it. Only after he couldn't make 147 healthy and got whooped people assumed that Pacquiao made him make 147 which isn't true at all.


Point out where I said Floyd was afraid????

[dekker1972]

Was Muhammad the greatest? Fighters pump themselves like few other sport figures do. Being the low self esteem guy in boxing seems about as profitable as being the skinny sumo wrestler.

It's the low self esteem guys who pump emselvs up!

[gilgamesh]

It took some significance away from the victory to certain fans, but I definitely feel like the result would've been exactly the same at 154, 156, 158 or 152. Floyd was just better.

Do you not find it ironic that just a few fights ago Mayweather said he doesn't believe in making fighters cut weight, he wants them at the best weight they feel comfortable at

Yeah, but the sh*t Floyd says to hype a fight, and his stances on sh*t like that change with the fight. I don't take anything he says as far as all that kinda sh*t goes seriously, so I'm not shocked when he does the opposite of what he said before.

[zero]

I find it staggering 6 people voted yes.

[Brut]

I don't even know where to start.

A similar question would be...is Roberto carlos the best footballer of all time.

In term of pure boxers, hes top 15, overall in terms of a fighter, as in who beats who lb for lb...hes top 40-50, at that's being generous. I mean if were talking pure boxer, hes a slightly better version of calderon.

look at the guys hes beaten, and imagine what the following would have done to them ( over the top of my head);

robinson, leonard, ali, chavez, whitaker, duran, hearns, hagler, Tyson, frazier, Johnson, pryor, lamotta, ganz, hammering hank, Marciano, sam Langford... seriously theres just too many to mention.

I even think rjj was a more complete fighter.

The bottom line is, he has done what people have enabled him to do, cherry pick, catchweight, fight fighters that were old (de la hoya), hyped (hatton), finished (cotto) or b level guys (sharmba Mitchell).

Imagine what any of the people in that list I just mentioned would have done to that kinda competition.

He is the best businessman, and has the best management ever, no question about that.....even right down to getting everlast powerlocks against maidana.

he ducked guys like Williams, when Williams was hot....he really did cover any angle.

and before people say hed of beaten a prime Williams ( firstly I disagree), im not saying who the better fighter is....im saying styleswise whod have won.

I hate speculation quotes like this, none of us knows what would've happened had those opponents faced the guys you mentioned. Claiming that RJJ is a more complete fighter than Floyd is pure nonsense, if that was the case then he'd still be on top. Look at Hopkins, now he is a far more complete fighter than RJJ (who lacked a fundamental defense and used one that relied on reflexes).

If you claim Floyd ducked Williams, at what point was this fight ever in negotiations?? Was there a contract between the two of them??

You're post is full of your own personal assessments but no actual facts. Get some proof then come back.

[gilgamesh]

I find it staggering 6 people voted yes.

They're newcomers to the sport, and probably don't know about Boxing any further back than 1990 or so. If even that far.

[Brut]

Floyd is unwilling to the defy the definition of TBE so therefore he can't possibly be the best ever. Floyd should have already been done with Pacquiao afterwards he'd easily make 154 and campaign there and maybe seek a title at 160 then fight Andre Ward at 158. As you could see in his build he could make 154 rather easily but he elects to put the rope-a-dope on you followers with excuses of how his hands are brittle, he's too small. Was Duran to small to fight Iran Barkley? poo yes, but he did it! What about maybe you're just afraid to see Floyd be really challenged or worse case lose. If you're so confident that he's the best you wouldn't have excuses and instead put your energy towards pushing for him to prove the naysayers wrong. The problem with this generation is your to easy to satisfy and to accept and accomodate the actions of a diva. I admit I thought he was headed in the right path when he beat Corrales but afterwards it was all business moves to get him the most money with the least amount of risk and that's been his trademark ever since and that doesn't help your claim to being the best in the slightest.

Sure because there's absolutely no risks at all for a fighter moving up from 130 to taking on guys who outweigh him, guys like DLH presented no risk for Floyd but an absolutely near fatal risk for Mayorga, guys like Shane presented no risk at all to Mayweather but absolutely had deaf-defying risk for Margarito.

Sure he cherrypicked his way through 23 champions that he fought on his run to being undefeated, every boxer should be so lucky to handpick 23 champions. lol

The problem with this generation is that they are always unsatisfied and lose interest quickly, plus they lack the real fandom of true "boxing fans" of old.

Everybody is a critic nowadays but worse they do it with personal bias instead of facts.