Is Floyd Mayweather really The Best Ever (TBE)?

[Brut]

No way José. Resume doesn't stack up compared to other best of the best. Plus making Canelo come down 2 pound was a real turn off.

But clearly avoids the fact that he was 164lbs on fight night

Have you actually seen fighters cut weight before? Sumtimes 1 extra pound is brutal, trust me I have seen guys almost dying trying to cut 1 extra pound

Yeah so what, give him an extra lb.....would it have given him the skills necessary to beat Mayweather? The problem with you is that you are trying to hard to justify your hate.

[scallum]

Lol I never showed any hate towards Floyd. I am very skeptical of him being tbe for sure

[Bobbyptsd]

This is the worst thread on Boxrec right now, and I don't think that's speculation. I'm not even talking about the subject, which was kind of done to death anyway. I'm talking about the tiresome bickering and insults, and lack of any kind of real discussion.

Good job, guys.

[Crease]

No.

And the truth is he just hasn't done enough in his career to be rated as the Number One boxer of all time.

[Brut]

firstly its death defying....secondly mayorga was a 4/1 underdog and that was bcos de la hoya had a layoff.....he presented no risk as he was shot at this point.....and NO ONE said otherwise. Margarito fought a shane on PED's, and if Floyd fought the same shane, round 2 would have been round 1, and that's where it would stop....Floyd was smart, started that usana,vada, etc testing, and made a huge point of it for that fight....he wasn't stupid, he knew what shane was doing that night against tono

Shane was on PEDS, where's your proof??

[lefty]

Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

Ah so basically you created this thread to shit on Floyd again. Fair enough.

[Bobbyptsd]

Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

Ah so basically you created this thread to poo on Floyd again. Fair enough.

You expected something else?

[NazNaci1]

I find it staggering 6 people voted yes.

True

There several pathetically biased, racist posters (love the 'block user' option), who would have definitely voted 'Yes'. I think we know who they are

[lefty]

Floyd isn't enough of a ring warrior to be TBE. He cherry-picks instead of going for greater challenges.

Sam Langford who started at lightweight was shorter and has a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he fought everybody, including heavyweights. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb were fearless warriors who fought anybody, including bigger opponents. Roberto Duran went up to middleweight and defeated Iran Barkley without demanding a catch weight.

Floyd had Saul Alvarez drain down to 152 instead of fighting him at 154. Perhaps the weight didn't make a difference, but the catch weight showed Floyd lacks the courage of those great boxers. And the glove demand with Maidana further illustrates my point - if he really were the best ever, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

Ah so basically you created this thread to poo on Floyd again. Fair enough.

You expected something else?

True.

[VG_Addict]

If Floyd beats Lara (assuming he beats Canelo), the winner of Thurman-Porter, and Khan, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank him in terms of skills? He has a great jab (when he uses it), he has a high ring IQ, excellent defense, can adapt, and great timing.

[PsychoGamer]

I don't think there is someone who is 'TBE' but FMJ should be one of them candidates though.

[stevedoc]

If Floyd beats Lara (assuming he beats Canelo), the winner of Thurman-Porter, and Khan, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank him in terms of skills? He has a great jab (when he uses it), he has a high ring IQ, excellent defense, can adapt, and great timing.

winning those fights would mean nothing at all to floyd's standing , floyd would be a massive favourite over all of them .
skill wise floyd is up there with any fighter i have seen with maybe only roy jones and ray leonard ahead of him , i think floyd is a better p4p boxer than Ali but i'm not a massive Ali fan myself

[Brut]

Oh you must be one of those 'fight fans'....I thought it was common knowledge that shane had been caught previously 'using' for 'however long'....it would certainly explain why he could throw 1000+ ''hard'' punches (and look like he could have thrown more) ''that'' night...but only manage to throw 15 or 16 against Floyd before gassing, and a similar feat in EVERY fight since then (mora, canelo, Mundine, etc).......sometimes you don't need 'proof'...just common sense

Who's common sense, yours?? (lol) Your ASS-umption doesn't prove anything at all, it's just simple speculation. I know of Shane's history and as I recall in the fight vs Floyd he threw many punches, however he got shutdown as do most opponents that Mayweather faces due to the counters they receive......it happened to Oscar as well (was he on PEDS)?

I would say the shutdown of Shane vs Floyd had more to do with what he was getting tagged with whenever he unloaded, MargoCheato wasn't able to throw counters to make Mosley think twice like that.<<<<<this isn't just common sense, this is factual-go look at most of Floyd's opponents vs him as to them vs other fighters and see the differences in their outputs.

[VG_Addict]

If Floyd beats Lara (assuming he beats Canelo), the winner of Thurman-Porter, and Khan, where would you rank him all time?

Where would you rank him in terms of skills? He has a great jab (when he uses it), he has a high ring IQ, excellent defense, can adapt, and great timing.

winning those fights would mean nothing at all to floyd's standing , floyd would be a massive favourite over all of them .
skill wise floyd is up there with any fighter i have seen with maybe only roy jones and ray leonard ahead of him , i think floyd is a better p4p boxer than Ali but i'm not a massive Ali fan myself

What if he beat the winner of Cotto-Martinez and won the lineal MW title?

[Brut]

Lol come on now, speculation?....so you must hate lb for lb rankings too then?....so you couldn't possible speculate as to whether mike Tyson would beat audley Harrison per se, because theres no factual evidence......personally I hate clowns like you that pretty much defy the point of a boxing forum....after all isn't all just speculation?

rjj less complete than Floyd or bhop.....please kill yourself or follow football. Rjj went 40 something n o ( I don't count the dq)....he went from middleweight to heavyweight.....beat a prime toney and a good as he ever was Hopkins. He barely dropped a round. He was quicker than Floyd carried more power, had a better brain, was more athletic, etc. The reason why he is not on top is because he got old....and a style based on athletiscm means its all over...he fought past the time he was great. Now say Floyd does that....even if he continues to cherry pick and pick the gloves, ringcard girls, and the make of the bottles of water between rounds....he will eventually lose. The reason he hasn't so far is bcos he has controlled, manipulated, and hyped every fight hes been in. For you to completely dismiss rjj against Floyd means u are a very arrogant misinformed individual....sorta like a naploniac version of forrest gump aka George w bush :)

I don't hate at all, I'll leave that to people like you (your own Hate). If anyone wants to have a lb for lb list that's their own right, and yes I could speculate all day long as to who I believe would've beaten who (anyone can do that but none of that makes anything you ASS-ume would happen true, now does it??

Yes I stick by my argument that RJJ was less and still is less fundamentally sound than both Floyd or Hopkins are more fundamentally sound than Roy and you making the excuse that he is "old" then that point is garbage because look at Hopkins and look at the point of Jones' career as far as his age is concerned in comparison to Mayweather's.

Sure Roy went 40 and 0 or something against mostly Tomato Cans (not a big deal), he beat Toney who only had 4 weeks to train, and an under experienced Hopkins (who got his revenge, thus showing how much better he'd gotten than Jones). As far as your stupid argument about Floyd controlling and cherrypicking then all I can say is that every fighter should be so successful to start their career and get to pick and chose to fight guys like DLH, Mosley, Corrales, Gatti, Canelo, Hernandez, Hatton and see if they're undefeated by the end of it facing 23 world champions.

You're a fornicating idiot.

Case closed.

[fanman]

well hes one of the best ever. but can you imagine ali avoiding his biggest rival in the sport? no, george foreman is on steroids i wont fight him ?

[Brut]

well hes one of the best ever. but can you imagine ali avoiding his biggest rival in the sport? no, george foreman is on steroids i wont fight him ?

Who is his supposedly biggest rival that he's avoiding? Before you say it's Rerun then you should read the above facts of who's actually avoiding who.

When the only negotiation that has taken place with both parties presently sitting at an actual negotiating table (the only other things that took place after this is the Mayweather call and offer of 40 million) ended we came away with Rerun and his "Being Afraid of Needles" excuse!!

Floyd conceded to his demands of 50-50, he also agreed to Rerun's weight penalties (if Mayweather came in over the amount of allotted weight), he agreed to the date, place and he also agreed that he'd take the same test that Rerun took. How is that "avoiding?"

Everything after that was stated and took place in the media and the second excuse was Rerun saying how "Having Blood Drawn Weakens Him".

Sure you will say that Rerun agreed to everything because Rerun "said" things for people like you who believe his every word but that was just him talking, at no point did he attempt to sit down at the negotiating table to renegotiate any terms and he never SIGNED A CONTRACT saying he agreed to any testing, if so, then show us where and when this took place???? ...............we're waiting............................................................................

So for you or anyone else to say that Floyd is or has "avoided" Rerun then all I can say is that unless you have proof that they actually sat down and met to renegotiate any terms from the original and only meeting that physically took place then I call you on your BS to prove it right here and now or otherwise simply concede that Rerun is the one who has "avoided" Floyd with his original excuse and everything after that is just cannon fodder for the media.

"""""""""""""We're still waiting to hear this one"""""""""""""""""""""""

[warriorpoet]

He's one of the best businessman of all time.He's an excellent fighter but his level of competition is not great,he does cherry pick his opponents.The best ones ever took on all comers!

[Brut]

He's one of the best businessman of all time.He's an excellent fighter but his level of competition is not great,he does cherry pick his opponents.The best ones ever took on all comers!

Which so called best took on all comers? SRL didn't fight The Hawk, Roy Jones didn't fight Darius....I could go on and on but I guess because Floyd didn't get to fight Pac that means he cherry picked.

lol, boxing fans today are totally out of touch.

[Bobbyptsd]

How about you both shut the fvck up? Is that a good enough compromise to end the bad puns and angry: "I win the internet because..." posts?

[Freedom2013]

inexperienced Hopkins? man was sitting on 20 something fights.....and was about 28 years old (physical peak d!ckhead)....poor toney only had 4 weeks?....isn't that what a regular training camp was, expecially at that time!...duran prepared for leonard 1 on 4 weeks!

now to the list of extensive Floyd opponents you mentioned; im going to go through this slowly floymo :)

DLH - split decision and was old n past it (need proof, flash forward less than a year, and he gets destroyed and stopped by an ex featherweight)

Mosley - well the 23 year old super strong super quick undefeated shane mosley, I cant quite find a flaw with.....oh hold up Floyd beat the 40 year old washed up non juicing one....say no more

corrales you say..this is why you shouldn't boxrec lol....chico was serving assault and battery charges, and had 2 or so weeks to prepare, his training camp was also cut short. Add into the fact that he struggled to make the weight, and fought poorly, and you get the picture. And honestly diego is my favourite fighter of all time, I really loved him....but don't insult anyones intelligence ...he was a world class fighter nothing more.....theres a hundreds of fighters that would have beaten him...literally

gatti...lots of respect for, but comeon now he was never a great fighter....and how much wear and tear did he have

canelo - he fought him at a catchweight....same way I would whoop on david haye (im 150lbs), if he came down to 147 :) )

hernadez - decent world champ nothing more

Hatton - a ticket seller, and on the elite world scene, a super easy payday for anyone ( see pacquiao fighting the 'undefeated at 140' hatton, in pac's first fight at 140

Hope you got that...keep going though 'brut', in 5 or maybe 10 years, with hardwork (and dedication)....I know you love that phrase.....you may post a comment I, and many other true knowledgable fans will go 'not bad' too :)

Excellent post!

[The Irish Assassin]

DLH - split decision and was old n past it (need proof, flash forward less than a year, and he gets destroyed and stopped by an ex featherweight)

Most people had it a clear win for Floyd... that "past it" guy was still WBC LMW Champ... and as for your "need proof" that was when Oscar severely weight drained himself to make 147 (Floyd fought him at 154).. and that "ex-featherweight" hadn't fought at featherweight for 4 years and has done quite well at 147 since, becoming pretty much the consensus #2p4p for a good time afterwards (some had him 1, even) and is a clear hall of famer.

[palooka]

How about you both shut the fvck up? Is that a good enough compromise to end the bad puns and angry: "I win the internet because..." posts?

Good one Bobby

[fanman]

to reply to brut, im not saying floyd avoided pac per say, but he didnt make it happen, which is even now the most interesting and legacy boosting fight. whereas leonard fought hearns, duran, hagler, etc. so to claim to be tbe you have to take the biggest scalps!

[Brut]

to reply to brut, im not saying floyd avoided pac per say, but he didnt make it happen, which is even now the most interesting and legacy boosting fight. whereas leonard fought hearns, duran, hagler, etc. so to claim to be tbe you have to take the biggest scalps!

So let me get this straight, the onus was all upon Floyd to make the fight when he did the following:

Agreed to all of Rerun's demands

And Rerun did the following:
Said he was afraid of needles
Said having blood drawn weakens him
Said he needed a stadium big enough to hold 40k people
Said he couldn't fight in May because there was no magic
Said no to 40 million dollars
And now just re-up'd with MOB Arum/Top Rape

And all of this is because Floyd didn't try to make the fight.

Ok