Those complaints were justified. He was fighting a guy in a 10 round bout who had never been in a bigger then 4 or 6 round fight iirc. That's effed up, but from What Dennis said it was more about the promotion needing a certainly amount of scheduled rounds & for Jordan to headline iirc. The problem was the Michigan commission sanctioning that fight for that amount of rounds imo & that was what part people took issue with in that thread iirc not so much the opponent choice.DetroitHxC wrote:Its funny how there were so many people complaining about the way he was being moved in like his 5th fight, and apparently there still are some haters out there.
Reggie. We are at exactly different ends of the spectrum. You love the way he is being moved. IWBR will not recogonise this type of fighter high in the ratings and discourages mug-fighting. This fighter could easily con his way to a title. There is almost no point in him having these fights. Poor little Federico Catubay gets your thumbs down and this chap is what you would be doing if you were managing. You have things so much the wrong way round.ReggieDiggs wrote:I love how active this kid is & how he's being moved. 15 fights in 2 years. Fighting a lot of these 40+ fight journeyman guys for last half dozen or so fights. This is the type of career trajectory blueprint I'd use if I was moving a guy along. This next 12 months should be seeing him fight a undefeated or 1 L prospect or two & a top 15-20 guy towards the end of that period if they stay true to my theoretical blueprint.
This is an apples to oranges comparison. I didn't even bring up his ranking first off I'm commenting on the overall growth of a fighter & imho fighting these 40+ vets with not great but winning records is an excellent schooling in this early point (2nd year) as a pro . Most cats are fighting guys with the same or similar experience to them or just guys with more L's then W's at this point. I guarantee you Jordan's ring IQ has been increased @ a faster pace due to these choices.Lennox wrote:Reggie. We are at exactly different ends of the spectrum. You love the way he is being moved. IWBR will not recogonise this type of fighter high in the ratings and discourages mug-fighting. This fighter could easily con his way to a title. There is almost no point in him having these fights. Poor little Federico Catubay gets your thumbs down and this chap is what you would be doing if you were managing. You have things so much the wrong way round.ReggieDiggs wrote:I love how active this kid is & how he's being moved. 15 fights in 2 years. Fighting a lot of these 40+ fight journeyman guys for last half dozen or so fights. This is the type of career trajectory blueprint I'd use if I was moving a guy along. This next 12 months should be seeing him fight a undefeated or 1 L prospect or two & a top 15-20 guy towards the end of that period if they stay true to my theoretical blueprint.
The main complaint is that after he fought you, he took 3 consecutive steps down:GalenBadBoyBrown wrote:I believe Jordan is a good fighter I trained hard for the fight against him gave it all I had and he was pretty sound everywhere and I have been in with good fighters usually with short notice they have me a long time and I trained hard as I could for the fight I believe he will be a lot better then people expect
Agreed, it that ol Midwest circuit all its doing is going get him ready to get exposed we he steps up.jujigatame wrote:The main complaint is that after he fought you, he took 3 consecutive steps down:GalenBadBoyBrown wrote:I believe Jordan is a good fighter I trained hard for the fight against him gave it all I had and he was pretty sound everywhere and I have been in with good fighters usually with short notice they have me a long time and I trained hard as I could for the fight I believe he will be a lot better then people expect
1) Damon Reed, 42 years old, 1-3 in 3 years prior to the fight
2) Damon McCreary, 40 years old, 1-1 in 3 years prior to the fight
3) Jonathan Corn, 40 years old, winless in 14 straight fights
That is not the direction you want to see a prospect heading in.
Lucky for Jordan, IWBR has zero impact on Boxing.Lennox wrote:Reggie. We are at exactly different ends of the spectrum. You love the way he is being moved. IWBR will not recogonise this type of fighter high in the ratings and discourages mug-fighting. This fighter could easily con his way to a title. There is almost no point in him having these fights. Poor little Federico Catubay gets your thumbs down and this chap is what you would be doing if you were managing. You have things so much the wrong way round.ReggieDiggs wrote:I love how active this kid is & how he's being moved. 15 fights in 2 years. Fighting a lot of these 40+ fight journeyman guys for last half dozen or so fights. This is the type of career trajectory blueprint I'd use if I was moving a guy along. This next 12 months should be seeing him fight a undefeated or 1 L prospect or two & a top 15-20 guy towards the end of that period if they stay true to my theoretical blueprint.
Come on now, don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Reed and McCreary are awful. McCreary in particular is a 40 year old enormous fat guy who had brief success as a LHW like 13 years ago and now weighs in at 260 and has fought 5 rounds in 4 years.Dennis wrote: In regard to Jordan's last few bouts, Damon Reed was an experienced boxer who although in his 40's had won his previous bout and had gone the distance with James Toney in 2011. In Damon McCreary, Jordan was facing a guy who only had one loss and that was to undefeated contender Deontay Wilder. I believe those were excellent choices at those points in Jordan's career.
I don't think its the fighters it the fact their not with manager/promoters that can actually get them meaningful fights. But build them up for a one-hitter quitter to cash out on. As long as they with small hall guys these are opponents they going to get until they get fed to someone.walter5 wrote:You can't argue with what's said above about those opponents. Hopefully we see Jordan step it up a little more than his stablemate Purnell Gates has.
These two things they have in common. They all lost to those guys and their Midwest guys small circuit guys where's the matchups with the other prospects. Or non-Midwest guys. They guys you named are perennial losers.Dennis wrote:Some of the guys Jordan has fought have gone against guys recently who have the managers/promoters with big budgets behind them. So they are quality opponents for this stage of Jordan's career with the exception of JJ Corn who was a stay busy opponent when so many others turned down decent money to fight Jordan in Iowa (neutral site).
Damon McCreary - Jordan fought in his 14th fight. Deontay Wilder fought in his 25th fight.
Damon Reed - Jordan fought in his 13th fight. Mark de Mori in his 23rd fight. Deontay Wilder fought in his 17th fight. James Toney in his 82nd fight. Hasim Rahman in his 57th fight.
Galen Brown - Olympian Jason Estrada in his 24th fight. Hasim Rahman, Mariusz Wach, etc.
Matt Greer - Jordan fought in his 11th fight. Andy Ruiz in his 18th fight. Deontay Wilder in his 27th fight. Oscar Rivas in his 8th fight. Denis Boytsov in his 29th fight. James Toney & Kevin Johnson too.
If these opponents were worthy of boxing those guys and many of them were televised fights, then why are they not quality opponents for Jordan? They are good measuring sticks to see where Jordan is at in his career. Jordan has completely dominated all of these guys and has yet to lose any round on more than one judge's scorecard. To win all 43 rounds of his pro career thus far says Jordan is progressing perfectly. The hard work is done in the gym where Jordan has sparred many world champions and top contenders and clearly belongs in that class. Soon enough he will be boxing on bigger shows and everyone will get to see Jordan's true potential.
The iwbr site is yours?Lennox wrote:Sad- They might be under the radar at the moment, but there is $1,000,000 behind them in advertising if I want to use it. They were known as the bible to many of the TV companies until I let them go to the IBO on licence. I have turned down three offers of deals so far and am in talks with one that would be a significant difference to the world of boxing.