Fighter dies in White collar fight...

[jonp]

The thing with pros is accountability if something goes wrong somebody has to explain when and why,there are also strict guidelines to follow in the event of something going wrong
eg a local neurology department has been notified there is a fight on in the vicinity,there is a proper ambulance and paramedics ready and on stand by,there are two doctors one of whom has to be an aniesiologist,the venue has been safety checked before hand,that all medicals are up to date.
This is why if something terrible happens the sport is not blamed and the promoters are not held responisble.
If on the other hand it turns out after wards people were not insured properly the wrong people were ringside ,the ambulance wasnt actaly there,nobody knew where to take the guy after wards(nuerology department) then no matter what waivers,assurances best intentions are proved someone is going to get sued the venue and the promoter most likely but also could be anyone involved.

The michael watson case proved this the BBBofC were found negligent in one small aspect of the whole affair and it almost brought them to there knees.This is a very experianced group of people with world wide knowledge and renown and the lawyers took them apart with one mistakewhat do you think will happen with the local guy putting a fight on in his local nightclub with lads with little or no background when he gets took to court and says iv got public liability and a signed waiver?

The real tragedy here is a young lad has lost his life its absolutly gutting but people especialy other unlicenced guys should be paying attention as this could very easily happen to anyone.

The board do have a payout system in the most terrible of circumstances,the white collar and semi pro guys tell us there insurance is just as good i hope for the sake of that young mans family that it is.

[the truth]

So it's no different to pros and amateur then? At anzi

[fasteddie]

The thing with pros is accountability if something goes wrong somebody has to explain when and why,there are also strict guidelines to follow in the event of something going wrong
eg a local neurology department has been notified there is a fight on in the vicinity,there is a proper ambulance and paramedics ready and on stand by,there are two doctors one of whom has to be an aniesiologist,the venue has been safety checked before hand,that all medicals are up to date.
This is why if something terrible happens the sport is not blamed and the promoters are not held responisble.
If on the other hand it turns out after wards people were not insured properly the wrong people were ringside ,the ambulance wasnt actaly there,nobody knew where to take the guy after wards(nuerology department) then no matter what waivers,assurances best intentions are proved someone is going to get sued the venue and the promoter most likely but also could be anyone involved.

The michael watson case proved this the BBBofC were found negligent in one small aspect of the whole affair and it almost brought them to there knees.This is a very experianced group of people with world wide knowledge and renown and the lawyers took them apart with one mistakewhat do you think will happen with the local guy putting a fight on in his local nightclub with lads with little or no background when he gets took to court and says iv got public liability and a signed waiver?

The real tragedy here is a young lad has lost his life its absolutly gutting but people especialy other unlicenced guys should be paying attention as this could very easily happen to anyone.

The board do have a payout system in the most terrible of circumstances,the white collar and semi pro guys tell us there insurance is just as good i hope for the sake of that young mans family that it is.

i wish people would stop calling it SEMI-PRO there is no such thing in boxing,its unlicensed or white collar,this show was not white collar as lance had 18 unlicensed fights which is not white collar calibre. R.I.P Lance my heart goes out to your family :(

[The Insider]

i wish people would stop calling it SEMI-PRO there is no such thing in boxing,its unlicensed or white collar,this show was not white collar as lance had 18 unlicensed fights which is not white collar calibre. R.I.P Lance my heart goes out to your family :(

Its not unlicensed though either is it. Its just not licensed by the BBBoC who happen to not be a statutory body. They have no more legal authority over any other body.

[TheGman]

i wish people would stop calling it SEMI-PRO there is no such thing in boxing,its unlicensed or white collar,this show was not white collar as lance had 18 unlicensed fights which is not white collar calibre. R.I.P Lance my heart goes out to your family :(

Its not unlicensed though either is it. Its just not licensed by the BBBoC who happen to not be a statutory body. They have no more legal authority over any other body.

If ur licensed in any country in the world u get a boxing or trainers license dont you? So when these people who run these shows show me and all the other people calling it unlicensed boxing then we will stop calling it unlicensed. Nobody mentioned bbbc weve been saying unlicensed which it is.

[The Insider]

If ur licensed in any country in the world u get a boxing or trainers license dont you? So when these people who run these shows show me and all the other people calling it unlicensed boxing then we will stop calling it unlicensed. Nobody mentioned bbbc weve been saying unlicensed which it is.

So are Malta, Luxembourg, GBA, WBU, Wbf, EBF, IBA etc etc "unlicensed"????? You need to be licensed by them to box on their shows.

[jonp]

i wish people would stop calling it SEMI-PRO there is no such thing in boxing,its unlicensed or white collar,this show was not white collar as lance had 18 unlicensed fights which is not white collar calibre. R.I.P Lance my heart goes out to your family :(

Its not unlicensed though either is it. Its just not licensed by the BBBoC who happen to not be a statutory body. They have no more legal authority over any other body.

So which licencing body is in charge of this event and will there insurance be covering it? And if the lads family take it too court will they be there to answer the questions? If there isnt a licencing body ready to take responsibilty then id say its unlicenced.

[TheGman]

If ur licensed in any country in the world u get a boxing or trainers license dont you? So when these people who run these shows show me and all the other people calling it unlicensed boxing then we will stop calling it unlicensed. Nobody mentioned bbbc weve been saying unlicensed which it is.

So are Malta, Luxembourg, GBA, WBU, Wbf, EBF, IBA etc etc "unlicensed"????? You need to be licensed by them to box on their shows.

Its the country that licenses the shows not the belts. A fighter from luxemborg,germany,usa,russia,france etc etc can fight in britain cause their licensed in their respective country but if ur not then u cant fight hence haye vs chisora had to be licensed by luxembourg. These shows are unlicensed plain and simple.

[palooka]

Why would the lads family take it court? He travelled to box, had done it before, was good at it and enjoyed doing it - no one forced him to box. He'll have had life insurance surely, it's no one elses fault - it's an accident.

[TheGman]

Can someone who runs these shows please come on here and show ur license to run shows like this plus ur insurance cert so we can clear this unlicensed/licensed/white collar/under ground fighting or whatever u wanna call it up

[jonp]

Why did michael watsons family take it to court ? win the case and almost bankrupt the bbbofc? 1.2 million i think the compensation hit was and that was one rule not followed to the letter.

Where there is an accident there is a claim and if things are not done perfectly lawyers will exploit and hammer it home.

It only takes one rule of which ever licencing body it was under or one piece of negligence and court cases have been made on much tighter things

[TheGman]

Why would the lads family take it court? He travelled to box, had done it before, was good at it and enjoyed doing it - no one forced him to box. He'll have had life insurance surely, it's no one elses fault - it's an accident.

Life insurace wont cover unlicensed boxing will it? As iv said in a prev post tho it wasnt down to boxing how Lance passed away it was due to kidney failure.

[Sklar]

Why did michael watsons family take it to court ? win the case and alsmot bankrup the bbbofc?

You took the words right outta my mouth...

[jonp]

If somebody does a bungee jump of there own free will and wants to do it but the person in charge does not follow safety rules to the letter do you think that argument would hold up?

Thats why im saying the venue and promoter and if there is one licencing body needs to be treading very carefully.I'v already read things on facebook that a lawyer will rip to bits in court people have got to be on guard here.

[TheGman]

Why did michael watsons family take it to court ? win the case and almost bankrupt the bbbofc? 1.2 million i think the compensation hit was and that was one rule not followed to the letter.

Where there is an accident there is a claim and if things are not done perfectly lawyers will exploit and hammer it home.

It only takes one rule of which ever licencing body it was under or one piece of negligence and court cases have been made on much tighter things

Watson took the bbbc to court because the paramedica couldnt get to the ring so the bbbc were held liable. Watson was a professional fighter on a legal licensed show were his injuries were caused through punches to the head,Lance had kidney failure and was fighting on an unlicensed boxing show,these organisers of these show wont have unsurance fir the boxers but will for the paying public at the shows i guess.

[TheGman]

Any licensed professional fighter or trainer who have been involved in these shows will also be treading on thin ice because the bbbc will rip them to shreds too

[The Insider]

Any licensed professional fighter or trainer who have been involved in these shows will also be treading on thin ice because the bbbc will rip them to shreds too

Rip them to sheds!!!! The worst they can do is pull your licence or fine you.

[palooka]

Why would the lads family take it court? He travelled to box, had done it before, was good at it and enjoyed doing it - no one forced him to box. He'll have had life insurance surely, it's no one elses fault - it's an accident.

Life insurace wont cover unlicensed boxing will it? As iv said in a prev post tho it wasnt down to boxing how Lance passed away it was due to kidney failure.

Life insurance pays out if you die doesn't it, to provide a bit of cover to your family. If the boxer died of an health issue unrelated to boxing how on earth can the promoter be held accountable?

[n1ebf]

Why did michael watsons family take it to court ? win the case and almost bankrupt the bbbofc? 1.2 million i think the compensation hit was and that was one rule not followed to the letter.

Where there is an accident there is a claim and if things are not done perfectly lawyers will exploit and hammer it home.

It only takes one rule of which ever licencing body it was under or one piece of negligence and court cases have been made on much tighter things

my memory from reading Watson's book was that Mr Warren figured out that the LAWYERS were making a fortune so he convened a meeting at a hotel in London and pretty much told them to pay Watson what they owed him. If it got kicked backward and forward like a football for much longer then there'd have been no money left for either the Board or for Watson thanks to the sharks.

On the subject of the Ambulance - can somebody tell me what this has on board? They provide oxygen, correct? This was a major negligence in the Watson Eubank case (in fact ALL other fights before this became mandatory), Watson's brain was starved of oxygen for some considerable minutes and it's a wonder he can walk and talk at all.
What else can the ambulance do? Medical induced coma?? Does anybody have any specific details of what the Ambulance guys provide?
Also what about at Amateur shows? I know they have a Ringside doctor but I don't actually recall seeing an Ambulance at many Amateur shows I've attended..

I was at an Unlicensed show recently and I was informed by people who were familiar with the set up that their were Medical staff at ringside who were basically professional Paramedics being privately hired by the Promoter, who also worked on Pro shows and were as good as you could get. I do not know whether they had oxygen at ringside.

Surely if oxygen is a must in Professional fighting then it is a MUST in both amateur AND UN-licensed too.

RIP to this young man and thoughts to his family.

[mickey1975]

White collar as it is called, even though most shows are not true white collar, but a mixture of hard knocks off the street, ex squaddies, ex pro's, ex amateurs, bar room brawlers, unfit overweight guys, sportsmen and rejected pro's, add to this bad matchmaking, weight differentials and different levels of training or even non at all, then you have a problem. White collar started off as an experience for solicitors, accountants, doctors and office workers, people who would not normally fight, but for one night only, they could experience being a boxer, in what was just a glorified spa, with head guards and 16 oz gloves, normally with friends or someone they had been sparring with in training at the gym, nothing really serious, unlike most so called white collar fights today.

For possibly the first time ever, I agree with saf. The types he described are typical of almost every fighter I have seen on the unlicensed circuit.

[jonp]

So was this show unlicenced or was it with a licencing body? If a licencing body isnt stepping forward to take full responsibilty for this show then surely it must be unlicenced? or do they only licence when nothing goes wrong?

[expe]

White collar as it is called, even though most shows are not true white collar, but a mixture of hard knocks off the street, ex squaddies, ex pro's, ex amateurs, bar room brawlers, unfit overweight guys, sportsmen and rejected pro's, add to this bad matchmaking, weight differentials and different levels of training or even non at all, then you have a problem. White collar started off as an experience for solicitors, accountants, doctors and office workers, people who would not normally fight, but for one night only, they could experience being a boxer, in what was just a glorified spa, with head guards and 16 oz gloves, normally with friends or someone they had been sparring with in training at the gym, nothing really serious, unlike most so called white collar fights today.

For possibly the first time ever, I agree with saf. The types he described are typical of almost every fighter I have seen on the unlicensed circuit.

Same here, something must be wrong with us. People claim there's a place for these shows, but I'm yet to see what I would consider a credible argument in favour of them.

[lefty]

Hopefully Damian hasn't read this thread.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Keep your chin up Damo, he is a good guy.

[Anzi]

So it's no different to pros and amateur then? At anzi

It is very different, the BBB of C make it different, you have to apply for a licence to box with the board, they expect you to have experience of some kind, not white collar but Amateur experience, if you do not have experience or you have not fought in the Amateurs for over a year, they will ask for you to do an assessment of your skills, fitness and stamina and maybe sparring, if you pass that then you have take your Doctor's medical, blood tests, eye tests, MRI and MRA brain scans and Hepatitis vaccinations, you have to pass all those tests before you can fight, then you have to be matched right and around the same weight, hardly the same to white collar,though Amateur boxing is a lot closer, but a higher level then white collar. People seem to be assuming that if the fighter's death was non boxing related, then it is ok for the organisers, you will find that if there was a delay in treatment, then, that is where the liability will come in, as it did with Michael Watson.