Fighter dies in White collar fight...

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mickey1975 wrote:
Sklar wrote:Does the same apply if you can't get your pro card in golf?
No, but there isn't a market where you can sell your mates £20 tickets to watch you play golf and potentially get knocked out by an ex pro, amateur, roid head, whilst you think you're meeting someone in their first bout as well.
I don't like mismatches in any sport, so I agree with you on that point.

The idea that if you're not 'licenced' by the board you shouldn't box in the competitive arena FULL STOP (unless it's amateur) is what I disagree with.
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Sklar wrote:All sorts of reasons. Some of them may struggle or think they'll struggle to get a licence because of past legal wrangles, some can't afford the scan, some can make more money on the unlicensed scene, some are overt steroid users and don't want to stop, some are not good enough, some may have been knocked back for whatever reason, etc, etc...
I don't doubt this but is anything done to stop these sorts of people in white-collar?
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Frank Lynch, the chief medical officer for the British Boxing Board of Control, fears that the majority of promoters in white collar boxing take the easy route when it comes to safety.

He said: "A lot of promoters do it for charity and are looking to cut costs with the best of intent.

"I love boxing and because of that I am one of the cheapest medics around. But when I tell them it will cost £350 for me, the staff, the equipment and the ambulance, they say 'no way mate'."

Mr Lynch has seen the difference that having medical staff on hand can make.

He said: "When Johnjo Finnegan fought Ryan Clarke, it was a British Boxing Board of Control fight.

"All safety precautions were put in place, an ambulance was 25 yards away at the back door and security were briefed to part the crowd if anything went wrong.

"All that fell into place when he suffered from a bleed on the brain and was in hospital within 15 minutes and straight into a five-hour surgery. If all that had not been in place, he would have died, not be on the road to recovery that he is now."

The Post has heard differing accounts from witnesses of the fight on Saturday, some saying that medical staff were on hand and an ambulance was present, others saying the ambulance took 30 minutes to show up.

Mr Lynch has called for a shake-up of promoters, the majority of which he believes do not think of safety first.

He said: "We need to get rid of the cowboy promoters, the ones who don't check their medics out and the ones who don't have medics at all.

"I have been waiting for a death to happen for five years. It is a tragedy but I hope it serves as a wake-up call of the duty of care promoters have for their boxers."

Neil Perkins, a former amateur welterweight boxer, runs white collar boxing events in the Midlands but works with Mr Lynch to ensure fights meet British Boxing Board of Control standard.

He has called for a gold standard of boxing to be adhered to, including pre and post fight medicals, an anaesthetist and doctors ringside and a local neurological unit placed on standby.

He said: "From here each body can set its own gold standard depending on the demands of the level of competition. From what I have seen, the minimum standard alone would eliminate 80 per cent of the show shows going on in the country.

"If run correctly, white collar boxing can provide a fun, safe, once in a lifetime experience.

"But remember, you can play football, you can play rugby but you can't play boxing."

The Post's boxing writer, Leigh Curtis asks if Lance would still be alive if critics were heeded...

SENIOR figures in boxing have consistently voiced their concerns about white-collar shows because they allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to get into the ring.

Fighters on these shows do not have to undergo strict medicals – unlike professional boxers operating under the British Board of Boxing Control, who must have yearly MRI scans to ensure there is no evidence of brain damage.

If there is even a shred of doubt about their health, they will be refused a licence.

In fact, so strict are the BBoBC's medicals that some boxers have claimed they are too stringent and have subsequently launched court actions to overturn decisions not allowing them to compete.

But there are no such rules in white-collar boxing, in which a fighter will generally be given a once over by a doctor prior to going into the ring.

This is the bare minimum of health checks and certainly does not detect any underlying health complications.

And that is why promoters and senior figures within pro-boxing, including Dave Roden, chairman of the Midlands Area of the Boxing Board of Control, have attempted to highlight the dangers.

Such critics have always said that it wold be a matter of when, not if, somebody would be seriously hurt – or even die.

Sadly, nobody seemed to be listening.

Had somebody taken notice then perhaps Lance Prayogg's death could have been avoided.

STANDARDS: What ex-pro boxer Neil Perkins wants

Safe Boxing Standards Minimum

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weights

Gold Standard

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Anaesthetist and doctors ringside and local neurological unit placed on standby

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weight

Full risk assessment

Matching criteria including check point spars

Approved and checked regulated gloves

Referee training

Approved rules and scoring criteria

Sanitisation of shared gloves between bouts

HIV and hepatitis B test for fights without head guards
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Post by bripez »

It is disappointing how this thread has gone down the usual route.

My condolences go to the boxer and his family and friends.

I also only "know" Damian through this site.

If people are interested, just search this forum for his previous comments and threads as they may give a clearer insight into what he specifically was doing and also what he was trying to achieve rather than reading general comments about the many varied events that are not licenced by the BBBofC.
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bripez wrote:It is disappointing how this thread has gone down the usual route.

My condolences go to the boxer and his family and friends.

I also only "know" Damian through this site.

If people are interested, just search this forum for his previous comments and threads as they may give a clearer insight into what he specifically was doing and also what he was trying to achieve rather than reading general comments about the many varied events that are not licenced by the BBBofC.
This is not about your boxrec forum friend, but really about so called white collar events, saturating the market, because their is money to be made, by cutting costs, the sad death of one of it's fighters could finally put an end to un-regulated shows and maybe impose stronger medical requirements, otherwise the lad's death will be in vain, for crying out loud, forget forum friendships and look at the bigger picture, white collar has been an accident waiting to happen, for years and before people get on their high horse, I am not blaming anyone for the Lad's death, the truth will come out either way, but in general the un-licensed boxing industry/ white collar, what ever you want to call it, has major problems.
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mickey1975 wrote:
Sklar wrote:
expe wrote: So don't box then, I'd love to be a footballer, but it ain't going to happen, not everyone's cut out for professional boxing, that's professional sport for you.
You've lost me. Because nobody wants to pay to watch you play football, competitive sport should be abolished?
I think he's saying if for whatever reasons you're not capable of getting a BBBC license, then don't box.
Spot on Mickey :TU:

At no stage did I say competitive sport should be abolished, just that not everyone is capable of being a professional sportsman, whether that be in football, cricket, boxing or whatever other sport you want to name.
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What about people who are capable of getting a BBBofC licence but prefer to box on the unlicenced circuit?
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Sklar wrote:What about people who are capable of getting a BBBofC licence but prefer to box on the unlicenced circuit?
I was going to say the same - I understand expe's view but the BBBoC aren't (or shouldn't be) the sole arbiters of a boxers worth/ability (they are not a Government agency) in fact the way that some lawyers will chase a case it is a wonder the BBBoC haven't been sued for restraint of trade by a boxer they've knocked back.
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palooka wrote:
Sklar wrote:What about people who are capable of getting a BBBofC licence but prefer to box on the unlicenced circuit?
I was going to say the same - I understand expe's view but the BBBoC aren't (or shouldn't be) the sole arbiters of a boxers worth/ability (they are not a Government agency) in fact the way that some lawyers will chase a case it is a wonder the BBBoC haven't been sued for restraint of trade by a boxer they've knocked back.

I believe that Haye's team used this argument relating to holding the Chisora fight under the LBF in the UK and I suspect there are probably many more examples.

I think the UK does need a government agency to regulate boxing.
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Sklar wrote:What about people who are capable of getting a BBBofC licence but prefer to box on the unlicenced circuit?
They're the dangerous ones!
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I know several pro boxers that are told about irregular medical stuff the day before their fight, to be told by the promoter go and see my specialist in Harley st., give him 200£ and you will be fine,, amataur medical is so basic I know boxers who've passed with broken ribs, where's the safety in that??? Heck, we've even had people do someone else's medical as they couldn't see infront of their own nose, but were brilliant boxers, the amateur medical is piss poor
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renegadeboxing wrote:I know several pro boxers that are told about irregular medical stuff the day before their fight, to be told by the promoter go and see my specialist in Harley st., give him 200£ and you will be fine,, amataur medical is so basic I know boxers who've passed with broken ribs, where's the safety in that??? Heck, we've even had people do someone else's medical as they couldn't see infront of their own nose, but were brilliant boxers, the amateur medical is piss poor
i was gonna say about amateur medical but it's been 20 years since i had one but all i really remember was checking my teeth ,it was just a formality really
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renegadeboxing wrote:I know several pro boxers that are told about irregular medical stuff the day before their fight, to be told by the promoter go and see my specialist in Harley st., give him 200£ and you will be fine...
I'm convinced that that sort of stuff is the tip of the iceberg with medicine in this country. I dread to think how many foreign 'doctors' bought their quals back home.
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renegadeboxing wrote:I know several pro boxers that are told about irregular medical stuff the day before their fight, to be told by the promoter go and see my specialist in Harley st., give him 200£ and you will be fine,, amataur medical is so basic I know boxers who've passed with broken ribs, where's the safety in that??? Heck, we've even had people do someone else's medical as they couldn't see infront of their own nose, but were brilliant boxers, the amateur medical is piss poor
I completely agree. The amateur medical set up is not bullet proof and I know of a situation where a pro fighter's twin brother went for his brain scan. Also, I can't be certain an amateur medical can detect a pre-existing medical condition, unless of course it is so apparent it can be immediately detected.
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Unlicensed boxing has always happened behind closed doors, and it will go back behind closed doors if it is pushed that way.
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Callowland wrote:
renegadeboxing wrote:I know several pro boxers that are told about irregular medical stuff the day before their fight, to be told by the promoter go and see my specialist in Harley st., give him 200£ and you will be fine,, amataur medical is so basic I know boxers who've passed with broken ribs, where's the safety in that??? Heck, we've even had people do someone else's medical as they couldn't see infront of their own nose, but were brilliant boxers, the amateur medical is piss poor
I completely agree. The amateur medical set up is not bullet proof and I know of a situation where a pro fighter's twin brother went for his brain scan. Also, I can't be certain an amateur medical can detect a pre-existing medical condition, unless of course it is so apparent it can be immediately detected.
The situation with the twins isn't likely to come up very often, how do you stop something like that? If you don't know them, or even know that they have a twin and there's no easy way to distinguish between them like tattoos, scars, birthmarks, etc, what can you do?
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RIP, son.

Hope your deal with this Damian, as best as you can.
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NazNaci1 wrote:RIP, son.

Hope your deal with this Damian, as best as you can.


Well said mate
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Anzi wrote:Frank Lynch, the chief medical officer for the British Boxing Board of Control, fears that the majority of promoters in white collar boxing take the easy route when it comes to safety.

He said: "A lot of promoters do it for charity and are looking to cut costs with the best of intent.

"I love boxing and because of that I am one of the cheapest medics around. But when I tell them it will cost £350 for me, the staff, the equipment and the ambulance, they say 'no way mate'."

Mr Lynch has seen the difference that having medical staff on hand can make.

He said: "When Johnjo Finnegan fought Ryan Clarke, it was a British Boxing Board of Control fight.

"All safety precautions were put in place, an ambulance was 25 yards away at the back door and security were briefed to part the crowd if anything went wrong.

"All that fell into place when he suffered from a bleed on the brain and was in hospital within 15 minutes and straight into a five-hour surgery. If all that had not been in place, he would have died, not be on the road to recovery that he is now."

The Post has heard differing accounts from witnesses of the fight on Saturday, some saying that medical staff were on hand and an ambulance was present, others saying the ambulance took 30 minutes to show up.

Mr Lynch has called for a shake-up of promoters, the majority of which he believes do not think of safety first.

He said: "We need to get rid of the cowboy promoters, the ones who don't check their medics out and the ones who don't have medics at all.

"I have been waiting for a death to happen for five years. It is a tragedy but I hope it serves as a wake-up call of the duty of care promoters have for their boxers."

Neil Perkins, a former amateur welterweight boxer, runs white collar boxing events in the Midlands but works with Mr Lynch to ensure fights meet British Boxing Board of Control standard.

He has called for a gold standard of boxing to be adhered to, including pre and post fight medicals, an anaesthetist and doctors ringside and a local neurological unit placed on standby.

He said: "From here each body can set its own gold standard depending on the demands of the level of competition. From what I have seen, the minimum standard alone would eliminate 80 per cent of the show shows going on in the country.

"If run correctly, white collar boxing can provide a fun, safe, once in a lifetime experience.

"But remember, you can play football, you can play rugby but you can't play boxing."

The Post's boxing writer, Leigh Curtis asks if Lance would still be alive if critics were heeded...

SENIOR figures in boxing have consistently voiced their concerns about white-collar shows because they allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to get into the ring.

Fighters on these shows do not have to undergo strict medicals – unlike professional boxers operating under the British Board of Boxing Control, who must have yearly MRI scans to ensure there is no evidence of brain damage.

If there is even a shred of doubt about their health, they will be refused a licence.

In fact, so strict are the BBoBC's medicals that some boxers have claimed they are too stringent and have subsequently launched court actions to overturn decisions not allowing them to compete.

But there are no such rules in white-collar boxing, in which a fighter will generally be given a once over by a doctor prior to going into the ring.

This is the bare minimum of health checks and certainly does not detect any underlying health complications.

And that is why promoters and senior figures within pro-boxing, including Dave Roden, chairman of the Midlands Area of the Boxing Board of Control, have attempted to highlight the dangers.

Such critics have always said that it wold be a matter of when, not if, somebody would be seriously hurt – or even die.

Sadly, nobody seemed to be listening.

Had somebody taken notice then perhaps Lance Prayogg's death could have been avoided.

STANDARDS: What ex-pro boxer Neil Perkins wants

Safe Boxing Standards Minimum

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weights

Gold Standard

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Anaesthetist and doctors ringside and local neurological unit placed on standby

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weight

Full risk assessment

Matching criteria including check point spars

Approved and checked regulated gloves

Referee training

Approved rules and scoring criteria

Sanitisation of shared gloves between bouts

HIV and hepatitis B test for fights without head guards

Although its come to late for Lance Ferguson-Prayogg we may some good come of this and a lasting legacy on boxing in his name.

Similar to that which you have quoted above , a group of promoters (of which Damian has spearheaded) whom are workingly a lot of hours on bringing in a new standard (which i believe will be named after Ferguson-Prayogg) in which they are trying to get rolled out across the uk with as many promotions as possible and award those promotions with a standard they can advertise on their posters as adhering to.
Ive spoken to him at length today about this and he realises it will take a lot of work and hours to get everyone on board but his idea will be to issue an official license on a yearly basis afer completing a thorough medical (of which ive seen the initial work and boy it pisses all over what they aba do) with obviously still having pre fight medicals on the day, a specific set of rules including paramedics etc on scene at all times with ambulance on standby etc, and a full list of bouts included with licenses detailing the last bout and outcome to ensure boxers being stopped dont box within specific time range etc and also to avoid mismatching. all shows having to then provide dvd footage of entire show to check the matching and random drug testing which will include a minimum of 2 boxers being tested on EVERY show. Also a deal has been brokered to offer FULL insurance to every licensed boxer who is appearing on a show awarded the standard.

No matter what peoples opinion of Damian may be i genuinely have to commend what he and his group are doing here.
I think this may truly be the dawn of Semi-Pro boxing, i say that because there will still of course be promotions who want to go it solo and keep their own independant status etc and thus they would remain white collar/unlicensed and not under their jurisdiction.

This is in my opinion a HUGE step in the right direction and although there's a hell of a lot of work to do, he feels this is what he wants to do to both make his permenent mark on boxing whilst the death of lance is not in vain and causes change, although Damian is still currently adamant that he will never promote a show himself again.

he said he asked Neil Perkins (who mentioned his opinion of a standard in that above quote as printed in several articles) to try to take his views on board and bring him into the intiative but neil declined the offer due commitments in both working and personal life, this is despite the fact its no secret Damian and Neil havent always seen eye to eye, yet he was still willing to work together with him to help push the whole thing on and has so far also received backing from several ex pros.

I for one am definately interested to see how this develops.


As an update on those wishing to know whats happening with the Inquest, a postmortem has now been carried out and the coroner has said it may take several weeks for him to conclude his findings as some tests take a while to return results and also hes wanting to hear from a few witnesses (referee, the paramedics at ringside, the opponent etc etc) although there will be no police investigation.
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Is the same Medical Care provided for amateur fights?
Typically amateur fights are over 3x2's like the white collar stuff, they wear the big gloves too.
So far it seems this tragedy was down to a pre existing condition rather than the fight itself. Amateur medicals are far less stringent from the pro's, would this conditions have been picked up by the amateur medicals?
If such stringent measures are enforced on the white collar boys surely they should on the amateurs?
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To answer a question asked earlier in this thread, having spoken to several people who were there saturday (not Damian though) , it appears the further ambulance was called as those in attendance were battling to save his life and couldnt afford to risk moving to the ambulance etc and needed additional help.
Hope that clarifies the crap that was said about there being no ambulance in attendance.
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Coco wrote:Is the same Medical Care provided for amateur fights?
Typically amateur fights are over 3x2's like the white collar stuff, they wear the big gloves too.
So far it seems this tragedy was down to a pre existing condition rather than the fight itself. Amateur medicals are far less stringent from the pro's, would this conditions have been picked up by the amateur medicals?
If such stringent measures are enforced on the white collar boys surely they should on the amateurs?

That's about right. I would like to know would an amateur medical detect certain pre-existing conditions.

I was an amateur for 15 years and in my experience of medical examinations I am not sure it would.

Can someone from the amateur world put me straight.
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Looking On wrote:
Anzi wrote:Frank Lynch, the chief medical officer for the British Boxing Board of Control, fears that the majority of promoters in white collar boxing take the easy route when it comes to safety.

He said: "A lot of promoters do it for charity and are looking to cut costs with the best of intent.

"I love boxing and because of that I am one of the cheapest medics around. But when I tell them it will cost £350 for me, the staff, the equipment and the ambulance, they say 'no way mate'."

Mr Lynch has seen the difference that having medical staff on hand can make.

He said: "When Johnjo Finnegan fought Ryan Clarke, it was a British Boxing Board of Control fight.

"All safety precautions were put in place, an ambulance was 25 yards away at the back door and security were briefed to part the crowd if anything went wrong.

"All that fell into place when he suffered from a bleed on the brain and was in hospital within 15 minutes and straight into a five-hour surgery. If all that had not been in place, he would have died, not be on the road to recovery that he is now."

The Post has heard differing accounts from witnesses of the fight on Saturday, some saying that medical staff were on hand and an ambulance was present, others saying the ambulance took 30 minutes to show up.

Mr Lynch has called for a shake-up of promoters, the majority of which he believes do not think of safety first.

He said: "We need to get rid of the cowboy promoters, the ones who don't check their medics out and the ones who don't have medics at all.

"I have been waiting for a death to happen for five years. It is a tragedy but I hope it serves as a wake-up call of the duty of care promoters have for their boxers."

Neil Perkins, a former amateur welterweight boxer, runs white collar boxing events in the Midlands but works with Mr Lynch to ensure fights meet British Boxing Board of Control standard.

He has called for a gold standard of boxing to be adhered to, including pre and post fight medicals, an anaesthetist and doctors ringside and a local neurological unit placed on standby.

He said: "From here each body can set its own gold standard depending on the demands of the level of competition. From what I have seen, the minimum standard alone would eliminate 80 per cent of the show shows going on in the country.

"If run correctly, white collar boxing can provide a fun, safe, once in a lifetime experience.

"But remember, you can play football, you can play rugby but you can't play boxing."

The Post's boxing writer, Leigh Curtis asks if Lance would still be alive if critics were heeded...

SENIOR figures in boxing have consistently voiced their concerns about white-collar shows because they allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to get into the ring.

Fighters on these shows do not have to undergo strict medicals – unlike professional boxers operating under the British Board of Boxing Control, who must have yearly MRI scans to ensure there is no evidence of brain damage.

If there is even a shred of doubt about their health, they will be refused a licence.

In fact, so strict are the BBoBC's medicals that some boxers have claimed they are too stringent and have subsequently launched court actions to overturn decisions not allowing them to compete.

But there are no such rules in white-collar boxing, in which a fighter will generally be given a once over by a doctor prior to going into the ring.

This is the bare minimum of health checks and certainly does not detect any underlying health complications.

And that is why promoters and senior figures within pro-boxing, including Dave Roden, chairman of the Midlands Area of the Boxing Board of Control, have attempted to highlight the dangers.

Such critics have always said that it wold be a matter of when, not if, somebody would be seriously hurt – or even die.

Sadly, nobody seemed to be listening.

Had somebody taken notice then perhaps Lance Prayogg's death could have been avoided.

STANDARDS: What ex-pro boxer Neil Perkins wants

Safe Boxing Standards Minimum

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weights

Gold Standard

Paramedic crew ringside and ambulance on standby outside

Anaesthetist and doctors ringside and local neurological unit placed on standby

Pre and post fight medicals

Pre-fight weigh-in where fighters fall within 10 per cent of each other's weight

Full risk assessment

Matching criteria including check point spars

Approved and checked regulated gloves

Referee training

Approved rules and scoring criteria

Sanitisation of shared gloves between bouts

HIV and hepatitis B test for fights without head guards

Although its come to late for Lance Ferguson-Prayogg we may some good come of this and a lasting legacy on boxing in his name.

Similar to that which you have quoted above , a group of promoters (of which Damian has spearheaded) whom are workingly a lot of hours on bringing in a new standard (which i believe will be named after Ferguson-Prayogg) in which they are trying to get rolled out across the uk with as many promotions as possible and award those promotions with a standard they can advertise on their posters as adhering to.
Ive spoken to him at length today about this and he realises it will take a lot of work and hours to get everyone on board but his idea will be to issue an official license on a yearly basis afer completing a thorough medical (of which ive seen the initial work and boy it pisses all over what they aba do) with obviously still having pre fight medicals on the day, a specific set of rules including paramedics etc on scene at all times with ambulance on standby etc, and a full list of bouts included with licenses detailing the last bout and outcome to ensure boxers being stopped dont box within specific time range etc and also to avoid mismatching. all shows having to then provide dvd footage of entire show to check the matching and random drug testing which will include a minimum of 2 boxers being tested on EVERY show. Also a deal has been brokered to offer FULL insurance to every licensed boxer who is appearing on a show awarded the standard.

No matter what peoples opinion of Damian may be i genuinely have to commend what he and his group are doing here.
I think this may truly be the dawn of Semi-Pro boxing, i say that because there will still of course be promotions who want to go it solo and keep their own independant status etc and thus they would remain white collar/unlicensed and not under their jurisdiction.

This is in my opinion a HUGE step in the right direction and although there's a hell of a lot of work to do, he feels this is what he wants to do to both make his permenent mark on boxing whilst the death of lance is not in vain and causes change, although Damian is still currently adamant that he will never promote a show himself again.

he said he asked Neil Perkins (who mentioned his opinion of a standard in that above quote as printed in several articles) to try to take his views on board and bring him into the intiative but neil declined the offer due commitments in both working and personal life, this is despite the fact its no secret Damian and Neil havent always seen eye to eye, yet he was still willing to work together with him to help push the whole thing on and has so far also received backing from several ex pros.

I for one am definately interested to see how this develops.


As an update on those wishing to know whats happening with the Inquest, a postmortem has now been carried out and the coroner has said it may take several weeks for him to conclude his findings as some tests take a while to return results and also hes wanting to hear from a few witnesses (referee, the paramedics at ringside, the opponent etc etc) although there will be no police investigation.
Could be a big step in the right direction, let's hope for the sake of future fighters, that everyone abides by these rules, including Promoters who just do it for a few quid, it will certainly mean fewer promotions in white collar, as profits will be reduced due to extra costs on safety, which might be a good thing.
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Re: Fighter dies in White collar fight...

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Been following this thread and my condolences go out to the fighters family, a terrible tragedy that couldn't of been avoided it seems no matter who he was boxing for.

I think the point that's been missed is that no matter what organisation or event he was boxing at/for unless he had been specifically seen by a renal specialist with specific test to check his organ function then this would of happened anyway.
So Even with all the amazing medicals that people keep saying pro fighters go through it seems that this sad incident would of still happened.

People drop dead from un-diagnosed heart defects playing football, cricket, running, or even not wake up out of there sleep due to defects etc, it's a terrible tragedy for all involved and think that's the point that should be focused on rather than pro boxing is better than any other combat organisation/event because we've had our own fair share of deaths and tragedy's happen in the ring over the years even with all the amazing medicals and precautions we have in place, for on instance I remember a fighter being injured at the Mecca of British boxing, the York hall, they couldn't even get a stretcher down the stairs, now who's fault is that ? These things happen sometimes has sad has it is, it's a dangerous, tough sport were involved in, but I do agree somewhat that white collar/ charity events/ boxing promotions not sanctioned by BBBoC SHOULD follow same procedures
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Re: Fighter dies in White collar fight...

Post by SAPFO »

The sad fact is, as long as there are no laws that will force people to stick to a certain standard, it won't happen across the board. It will carry on as it is. It don't need a time consuming regulatory body, it just needs some common sense.


Most UK unlicensed/WC promoters lurk here anyway, so how about the experience of Boxrec comes up with the standard based on the ideas already floated, sticky it, and then all can follow and share their knowledge on how to run a safer show.
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