Fighter dies in White collar fight...

[Coco]

This is boxing, people will get hurt, and it will happen in the pro game again whatever the precautions.
Of course I think all events should have a decent amount of medical care but in proportion to the risk involved. Doing 3x2's is not a big risk, in fact there is an argument that BBBoC care is to strict for say 4 round fighters.
I've boxed on the continent and there care there is not the same as for BBBoC events.
There is a danger here than the promoter here(Damian) will get treated unfairly despite from what I can see with this pre existing condition that it would have happened anyway.
I know that you can fight on this circuit without brain scans and guys who have failed them still fight, but these guys know the risks, they are all adults who need a few quid. And we don't want to drive it back underground where fighters are carried from the ring and sent in a taxi to the hospital.

[renegadeboxing]

Amataur boxing has many thousands of boxers , with not 1 brain scan, all they have to have is a doctor

[ttornado]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... yogg-death
Guardian article, some intelligent comments others pretty ignorant.

[rhino222]

for anyones info...anaesthetists are doctors, highly trained and specialised ones.

[chinny]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... yogg-death
Guardian article, some intelligent comments others pretty ignorant.

Came on here to post this. Generally a good discussion. Better informed than I expected.

[Jeff Thomas]

Any more news on this anyone?

[Looking On]

what damian told me a couple of days ago :

Postmortem failed to determine a cause of death so now got to do a full inquest.

We know he died of cardiac arrest following kidney failure 24 hours after the fight and that he passed an MRI scan upon arrival at hospital, so now probably a case of figuring out why his kidneys failed etc.

Video footage of the fight has been provided to the coroners along with various statements taken, but apparantly they say it could take up until christmas to conclude their findings.

The funeral is on Tuesday next week.

EDIT:

This might be a slightly controversial step but...

Heres a link to a video of the bout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c181fwo ... e=youtu.be

And for the record for those who said differently, you can clearly see the 2 paramedics sat ringside at the right of the ring in their green t-shirts.

You can all see for yourself that it wasnt a missmatch as has been said online by people who were not there, was no big shots as such and wasnt a particularly fast paced bout. you can see that at the end of the bout Lance looks very tired which is unusual for him too and was therefore probably the beginning of his deterioration.
He collapsed a couple of minutes after this

[whiskey]

He looked extremely stout and muscular - and seemed to gas a bit at the end, perhaps down to his physique more than anything.

I saw no really telling shots in that fight, or anything that would indicate what would happen to him later.

[jonp]

what damian told me a couple of days ago :

Postmortem failed to determine a cause of death so now got to do a full inquest.

We know he died of cardiac arrest following kidney failure 24 hours after the fight and that he passed an MRI scan upon arrival at hospital, so now probably a case of figuring out why his kidneys failed etc.

Video footage of the fight has been provided to the coroners along with various statements taken, but apparantly they say it could take up until christmas to conclude their findings.

The funeral is on Tuesday next week.

EDIT:

This might be a slightly controversial step but...

Heres a link to a video of the bout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c181fwo ... e=youtu.be

And for the record for those who said differently, you can clearly see the 2 paramedics sat ringside at the right of the ring in their green t-shirts.

You can all see for yourself that it wasnt a missmatch as has been said online by people who were not there, was no big shots as such and wasnt a particularly fast paced bout. you can see that at the end of the bout Lance looks very tired which is unusual for him too and was therefore probably the beginning of his deterioration.
He collapsed a couple of minutes after this

Such a shame watching that.To be fair its rare that injuries happen in a mismatch as they are over quickly its when two even matched guys go at it happens but not usauly in so short a bout.
Im hoping for the sake of the promoter and everybody involved the inquest does not find anything that the exertion or even a light tap started the problem with the kidneys as i spotted a few safety aspects on the video that a lawyer could tear to bits if it came to a courtroom.
horrible watching that fight knowing what came afterwards.

[lurkyshaka]

I've always had grave reservations about the standard of matchmaking on 'white collar shows'....where many times favoured fighters are served up people who clearly aren't fit to be in the ring. For a long time I've wondered what would happen when one of these sacraficial lamb office worker types got maimed or killed in a bout.

But from watching that video it was clear to see that fight was a balanced and competitive fight. Both although obviously a bit crude and unpolished, looked like they had an idea what they were doing. It was a decent tussle where it just seemed the other lad lasted the pace better.

From that it'd just appear a tragic accident where a previously undiagnosed condition is probably to blame. Same as when footballers sometimes keel over on the pitch. From the video it didn't appear like Lance took any real, serious punishment in the fight. He just looked really tired by the end from the exertion.

Another reservation I've always had about white collar shows is the use of drugs. Without a doubt some of these fellas are on the gear and I'm not sure what if any testing is ever done to combat that. Obviously this means we can't be sure of a level playing field, and although not wishing in anyway to imply anything about this particular incident, I'm sure this is something that'll be looked into.

Terrible tragedy. May he rest in peace.

[SAPFO]

Any more news on this?

[Andy]

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingha ... story.html?

[whiskey]

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingha ... story.html?

So basically he'd ingested a lot of supposedly innocuous Internet fat burners and any anaerobic activity that triggered lactic acid could have been fatal for him.

The findings of the inquest doesn't bring him back, nor does it help his widow, children and friends - but at least it affords closure to the organisers of the event and most of all, his opponent whom has probably gone through hell thinking he did something that could have ended a man's life.

In closing, he took something that triggered his untimely death just by breaking into a heavy sweat. Very sad.

Has anyone ever tried T5 ? I have heard the name but couldn't tell you what it does.

[mickey1975]

Loads do them at the fitness gyms and go on the treadmill for an hour. It's like been on whizz.

[Looking On]

While obviously its not nice for his family the one person who im happy for is Damian, it will be a weight off his shoulders now and i know its been a very tough year for him although when i last spoke to him he did seem to have picked up a bit. As for his opponent in the bout.. he makes his pro debut on 23rd May at Britania hotel, maid marian way , Nottingham, he took a few months out and actually seemed to have a new found focus when he returned.

[damianhucker1]

Thank you to those of you on here who actually refrained from taking part in any of the slanderous bollox that has been written over the last year.
Unfortunately some people didnt fall into that same category .

Its been a difficult time for me since June last year, I knew all along that what happened was nothing i had done wrong but it didnt stop me becoming very down and eventually depressed severely. Reading news reports that are totally incorrect yet taken as fact, being hounded by journalist day and night for weeks afterwards and the obvious guilt, wondering what i could have done differently etc all played its part until the time came when id had enough and attempted to take my own life in August.
I wont go into the details of what i did or why it didnt work, but needless to say im still here, but i genuinely no longer wanted to live.
I ended up having to be on two lots of depression medication as well as sleeping pills and had to be monitored by the mental health crisis team who had to consider if i should be sectioned for my own protection etc.
This was all in the midst of having a relationship breakdown so it felt like there was really no point any more.
But it actually turned out that my ex partner was the biggest support i could ever have had.
With her help i sought help from a CBT therapist and have slowly begun to exercise more (my weight ballooned up whilst at my darkest point)
At this point were good friends but i dont know if there will be a full reconciliation, but what she has done is to help me return to being me.
Ive always been a very positive person and it shocked me how low i became, i would never have thought depression could ever take hold of me, ive shown that nobody is immune to it.
I gave up on my entire life but ive now started to claw my way back up, i vowed id never promote another show, which so far i havent, but i do have my comeback show this coming saturday, its just a little dinner show with a dozen bouts and wont be hugely attended but its just a case of me getting myself back out there again.
Ive also applied and been succesfully accepted to continue my next stage of college towards the aim of qualifying as a paramedic. Although i wont know how much effect this year has had until i start applying for University around Christmas time as there a possibilty that the depression (and a minor criminal record from my youth) may prevent me being allowed to take the idea further.
With that in light ive also continued to look at plan B , which will run alongside, something ive said i would do for a while, which is to turn pro, but ill not be doing it with the BBBoC , ive already had several discussions and after ive promoted one more show in summer im expecting to become an MBC licensed promoter.

The crap ive dealt with over the last year, i know theres no reason i cant now spin that into a positive, if that couldnt beat me nothing will.

The inquest itself yesterday was very nerve wracking despite me having a pretty good idea of how it was going to go. especially considering that i was the only person there (aside from reporters) who wasnt a member of Lance's family . But they accepted me and i sat through the inquest with Lance's 2 sisters.

I know this sounds like im just talking about myself here rather than the terrible loss of life, im just trying to portray the difficult year its been.

But im bouncing back and i aim to be more determined than ever.

As far as the unlicensed boxing goes, i tried to get as many people involved as possible to create a new official standard for the shows that people put on. Not everyone was keen in losing a say in how they run their own shows, but i did recruit a few into our OIBA organisation. As of July last year all OIBA shows have to not only have the paramedics and ambulance in attendance, which has always been the case, but all boxers along with their pre fight medical have to now do a yearly medical which is pretty similar to the 3 year medical that the aba have. Along with random urine tests of a minimum of 2 boxers per show, this now ensures we are also able to offer a high level of insurance which is covered for our own events only (each policy lasts 48 hours and is renewed each bout)

Of course let all this be a stark warning of the dangers of using fat burners too, unfortunately we cannot test for these, so now it becomes about educating people about the dangers of them.

On a final note, Boxing chat your a prick and im now looking into finding out who you are due to your comments on this thread. And also i know somehow somewhere, Paul Smith will read this or someone whos close to him will read this : and he will probably react in the same gobby way as usual , but just remember that i wont forget what you wrote on numerous occasions on Facebook and Twitter for the world to see, one day our paths will cross

Thankfully i can now in the most part put this last year at an end

[freddydoesdallas]

Glad to hear you are back on the upward curve after a tough year. There's been a bit of chat about depression on here in one of the threads so i'm sure your words would be appreciated by those going through tough times themselves

[Asterix]

No-one appears to have mentioned that his death may have been due to some diet drugs he was taking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html

[leejonesjnr]

No-one appears to have mentioned that his death may have been due to some diet drugs he was taking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html

That has been stated very clearly.

[leejonesjnr]

Thank you to those of you on here who actually refrained from taking part in any of the slanderous bollox that has been written over the last year.
Unfortunately some people didnt fall into that same category .

Its been a difficult time for me since June last year, I knew all along that what happened was nothing i had done wrong but it didnt stop me becoming very down and eventually depressed severely. Reading news reports that are totally incorrect yet taken as fact, being hounded by journalist day and night for weeks afterwards and the obvious guilt, wondering what i could have done differently etc all played its part until the time came when id had enough and attempted to take my own life in August.
I wont go into the details of what i did or why it didnt work, but needless to say im still here, but i genuinely no longer wanted to live.
I ended up having to be on two lots of depression medication as well as sleeping pills and had to be monitored by the mental health crisis team who had to consider if i should be sectioned for my own protection etc.
This was all in the midst of having a relationship breakdown so it felt like there was really no point any more.
But it actually turned out that my ex partner was the biggest support i could ever have had.
With her help i sought help from a CBT therapist and have slowly begun to exercise more (my weight ballooned up whilst at my darkest point)
At this point were good friends but i dont know if there will be a full reconciliation, but what she has done is to help me return to being me.
Ive always been a very positive person and it shocked me how low i became, i would never have thought depression could ever take hold of me, ive shown that nobody is immune to it.
I gave up on my entire life but ive now started to claw my way back up, i vowed id never promote another show, which so far i havent, but i do have my comeback show this coming saturday, its just a little dinner show with a dozen bouts and wont be hugely attended but its just a case of me getting myself back out there again.
Ive also applied and been succesfully accepted to continue my next stage of college towards the aim of qualifying as a paramedic. Although i wont know how much effect this year has had until i start applying for University around Christmas time as there a possibilty that the depression (and a minor criminal record from my youth) may prevent me being allowed to take the idea further.
With that in light ive also continued to look at plan B , which will run alongside, something ive said i would do for a while, which is to turn pro, but ill not be doing it with the BBBoC , ive already had several discussions and after ive promoted one more show in summer im expecting to become an MBC licensed promoter.

The crap ive dealt with over the last year, i know theres no reason i cant now spin that into a positive, if that couldnt beat me nothing will.

The inquest itself yesterday was very nerve wracking despite me having a pretty good idea of how it was going to go. especially considering that i was the only person there (aside from reporters) who wasnt a member of Lance's family . But they accepted me and i sat through the inquest with Lance's 2 sisters.

I know this sounds like im just talking about myself here rather than the terrible loss of life, im just trying to portray the difficult year its been.

But im bouncing back and i aim to be more determined than ever.

As far as the unlicensed boxing goes, i tried to get as many people involved as possible to create a new official standard for the shows that people put on. Not everyone was keen in losing a say in how they run their own shows, but i did recruit a few into our OIBA organisation. As of July last year all OIBA shows have to not only have the paramedics and ambulance in attendance, which has always been the case, but all boxers along with their pre fight medical have to now do a yearly medical which is pretty similar to the 3 year medical that the aba have. Along with random urine tests of a minimum of 2 boxers per show, this now ensures we are also able to offer a high level of insurance which is covered for our own events only (each policy lasts 48 hours and is renewed each bout)

Of course let all this be a stark warning of the dangers of using fat burners too, unfortunately we cannot test for these, so now it becomes about educating people about the dangers of them.

On a final note, Boxing chat your a prick and im now looking into finding out who you are due to your comments on this thread. And also i know somehow somewhere, Paul Smith will read this or someone whos close to him will read this : and he will probably react in the same gobby way as usual , but just remember that i wont forget what you wrote on numerous occasions on Facebook and Twitter for the world to see, one day our paths will cross

Thankfully i can now in the most part put this last year at an end

May I ask why you don't want to promote BBBoC pro boxing?

[damianhucker1]

No-one appears to have mentioned that his death may have been due to some diet drugs he was taking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html

Whilst i knew before he died that he had been taking them (via his trainer whilst he was in hospital) i honestly didnt expect it to have been the cause.
I half expected it to have been steroid abuse from what i could gather from people i had spoken to.
But the inquest stated (not written in articles though) that he had clenbuterol steroid in his system but that its also in athsma treatments and as lance was a known athsmatic they couldnt speculate on that any further, but did say that its also known to be used to help body builders in cutting up. Maybe thats just coincidental i dont know, the coroner didnt seem to concerned about it anyway.

[damianhucker1]

Thank you to those of you on here who actually refrained from taking part in any of the slanderous bollox that has been written over the last year.
Unfortunately some people didnt fall into that same category .

Its been a difficult time for me since June last year, I knew all along that what happened was nothing i had done wrong but it didnt stop me becoming very down and eventually depressed severely. Reading news reports that are totally incorrect yet taken as fact, being hounded by journalist day and night for weeks afterwards and the obvious guilt, wondering what i could have done differently etc all played its part until the time came when id had enough and attempted to take my own life in August.
I wont go into the details of what i did or why it didnt work, but needless to say im still here, but i genuinely no longer wanted to live.
I ended up having to be on two lots of depression medication as well as sleeping pills and had to be monitored by the mental health crisis team who had to consider if i should be sectioned for my own protection etc.
This was all in the midst of having a relationship breakdown so it felt like there was really no point any more.
But it actually turned out that my ex partner was the biggest support i could ever have had.
With her help i sought help from a CBT therapist and have slowly begun to exercise more (my weight ballooned up whilst at my darkest point)
At this point were good friends but i dont know if there will be a full reconciliation, but what she has done is to help me return to being me.
Ive always been a very positive person and it shocked me how low i became, i would never have thought depression could ever take hold of me, ive shown that nobody is immune to it.
I gave up on my entire life but ive now started to claw my way back up, i vowed id never promote another show, which so far i havent, but i do have my comeback show this coming saturday, its just a little dinner show with a dozen bouts and wont be hugely attended but its just a case of me getting myself back out there again.
Ive also applied and been succesfully accepted to continue my next stage of college towards the aim of qualifying as a paramedic. Although i wont know how much effect this year has had until i start applying for University around Christmas time as there a possibilty that the depression (and a minor criminal record from my youth) may prevent me being allowed to take the idea further.
With that in light ive also continued to look at plan B , which will run alongside, something ive said i would do for a while, which is to turn pro, but ill not be doing it with the BBBoC , ive already had several discussions and after ive promoted one more show in summer im expecting to become an MBC licensed promoter.

The crap ive dealt with over the last year, i know theres no reason i cant now spin that into a positive, if that couldnt beat me nothing will.

The inquest itself yesterday was very nerve wracking despite me having a pretty good idea of how it was going to go. especially considering that i was the only person there (aside from reporters) who wasnt a member of Lance's family . But they accepted me and i sat through the inquest with Lance's 2 sisters.

I know this sounds like im just talking about myself here rather than the terrible loss of life, im just trying to portray the difficult year its been.

But im bouncing back and i aim to be more determined than ever.

As far as the unlicensed boxing goes, i tried to get as many people involved as possible to create a new official standard for the shows that people put on. Not everyone was keen in losing a say in how they run their own shows, but i did recruit a few into our OIBA organisation. As of July last year all OIBA shows have to not only have the paramedics and ambulance in attendance, which has always been the case, but all boxers along with their pre fight medical have to now do a yearly medical which is pretty similar to the 3 year medical that the aba have. Along with random urine tests of a minimum of 2 boxers per show, this now ensures we are also able to offer a high level of insurance which is covered for our own events only (each policy lasts 48 hours and is renewed each bout)

Of course let all this be a stark warning of the dangers of using fat burners too, unfortunately we cannot test for these, so now it becomes about educating people about the dangers of them.

On a final note, Boxing chat your a prick and im now looking into finding out who you are due to your comments on this thread. And also i know somehow somewhere, Paul Smith will read this or someone whos close to him will read this : and he will probably react in the same gobby way as usual , but just remember that i wont forget what you wrote on numerous occasions on Facebook and Twitter for the world to see, one day our paths will cross

Thankfully i can now in the most part put this last year at an end

May I ask why you don't want to promote BBBoC pro boxing?

Simply because i have some lads who id then have to leave behind as they wouldnt cut it as pros. Id like to see it out with them as ive had them from the start and theyve been loyal to me through everything. i can still put them on undercards with MBC, it may mean i end up transfering over to the BBBoC one day but maybe the MBC will grow enough while im with them to satisfy what i need from them. i guess time will tell.
Also MBC have been very open with me in discussions wheras sometimes it seems like the BBBoC is all a bit clouded in mystery in some respects. another reason is that with MBC i can take out my managers license at the same time as the promoters license which is a big help when building lads up... with BBBoC id have to be licensed for 2 years before i could get the managers.

[Emmseegee]

Wasn't it Clenbuterol that Erik Morales was caught taking?
Im led to believe that its a diuretic which is quite common in sports requiring weight management.

Anyway, I feel sympathy for everyone involved. The availability of fat burners, steroids etc makes it too easy for people to get hold of them often with no understanding of their effects. This poor guy was one of the few unfortunate ones to suffer the worst of the side effects and Damien was unfortunate enough to be promoting the event where it happened.

[whiskey]

Wasn't it Clenbuterol that Erik Morales was caught taking?
Im led to believe that its a diuretic which is quite common in sports requiring weight management.

Anyway, I feel sympathy for everyone involved. The availability of fat burners, steroids etc makes it too easy for people to get hold of them often with no understanding of their effects. This poor guy was one of the few unfortunate ones to suffer the worst of the side effects and Damien was unfortunate enough to be promoting the event where it happened.

Without googling, i think it's actually used in livestock farming in mexico.

I think it basically is added to cattle feed and it increases mass in bovine. So eating steaks out there will actually generate a small positive test result for it. Or at least that's the excuse they give, but quite plausible.

Whereas in humans it functions by opening the air ways but has a side effect on metabolism.

A lot of body builders use it when cutting, as it helps block the body cannibalising itself when they diet, and it also speeds up the fat burning too.

In high doses you would struggle to write your own signature as it gives the user unbelievable shakes. Usually they consume 1 tablet, then 2 on day 2 and 3 on day 3 and so on for several days then stop for a few days then repeat. It can be quite dangerous I read.

[palooka]

I used to be very cavalier about drugs and pills I'd take for a buzz or to show off but I don't think I was ever mental enough to take something Mexican beef farmers fed to their cattle.