Here is proof that Jim. J. Jeffries was NOT a racialist

[Caractacus]

Check out this clip of an old movie.
At about 25.10 into it.
Watch Jim J. jeffries show some affection to the hired help.
Now would a true racialist bigot had ever demonstrated such love toward his fellow man,particularly on full view in a camera ,I ask you?
Take that you revisionist.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=AdyjaEXVkqc

[Othro]

In my entire life I never heard the word racialist.

Nice

[Caractacus]

In my entire life I never heard the word racialist.

Nice

Say What?
Check this clip out .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JRGC-5LjJ2M

[witherspoon]

I have not watched the link, but I don't see how it proves anything about Jim's racialism.

I have showed affection to dogs and cats in my time (stroking the heads of pets, before anyone reads too much into that statement). It doesn't mean that I regard dogs and cats as equal beings to myself in any way.

For what it's worth, I believe that Jim would be regarded as a racist by today's standards, and there's nothing I detest more than a racist.

But everyone is a product of their time and I don't judge Jim too harshly for his 'noble' attempt to win back the honour of the white man. Actually, I have a lot of respect for the sacrifice he made, coming out of his comfortable life on the farm to punish himself into shape and lose so much weight. And as a fighter, you only need to read what eyewitnesses had to say about the man to realise that he deserved the utmost respect as an all time great heavy.

So, Jim was a racist by today's standards, but it's not fair to judge him a century down the line. He was a great fighter and deserves to be remembered as such.

[Cap]

Who knows how we will be viewed a hundred years from now. That world will be a crazy place......Transgender President of the Russian Federation.....Dogs and cats sitting as congressional reps in Washington....The Robot Queen of England....

[scallum]

I have not watched the link, but I don't see how it proves anything about Jim's racialism.

I have showed affection to dogs and cats in my time (stroking the heads of pets, before anyone reads too much into that statement). It doesn't mean that I regard dogs and cats as equal beings to myself in any way.

For what it's worth, I believe that Jim would be regarded as a racist by today's standards, and there's nothing I detest more than a racist.

But everyone is a product of their time and I don't judge Jim too harshly for his 'noble' attempt to win back the honour of the white man. Actually, I have a lot of respect for the sacrifice he made, coming out of his comfortable life on the farm to punish himself into shape and lose so much weight. And as a fighter, you only need to read what eyewitnesses had to say about the man to realise that he deserved the utmost respect as an all time great heavy.

So, Jim was a racist by today's standards, but it's not fair to judge him a century down the line. He was a great fighter and deserves to be remembered as such.

Racist by todays standards, is that anything like pregnant by todays standards? Lol

[BoxBuzz]

He may not have been a racialist.....I would hate to be so negatively assumptive.

However, at times he certainly displayed racialistic tendencies.

[witherspoon]

I have not watched the link, but I don't see how it proves anything about Jim's racialism.

I have showed affection to dogs and cats in my time (stroking the heads of pets, before anyone reads too much into that statement). It doesn't mean that I regard dogs and cats as equal beings to myself in any way.

For what it's worth, I believe that Jim would be regarded as a racist by today's standards, and there's nothing I detest more than a racist.

But everyone is a product of their time and I don't judge Jim too harshly for his 'noble' attempt to win back the honour of the white man. Actually, I have a lot of respect for the sacrifice he made, coming out of his comfortable life on the farm to punish himself into shape and lose so much weight. And as a fighter, you only need to read what eyewitnesses had to say about the man to realise that he deserved the utmost respect as an all time great heavy.

So, Jim was a racist by today's standards, but it's not fair to judge him a century down the line. He was a great fighter and deserves to be remembered as such.

Racist by todays standards, is that anything like pregnant by todays standards? Lol

I see your point. I guess my wording could have been better.

[punchoutsb]

He may not have been a racialist.....I would hate to be so negatively assumptive.

However, at times he certainly displayed racialistic tendencies.

As did most in his times. It makes them less educated than we are today. Not any less "moral" or whatever the stance may be.

[evrenb]

Most people of every nationality are racist. Scary thought. I have been lucky to travel more than most in my life. I witness it everywhere. Sad but true. I do think as boxing fanatics it does bring a certain kinship to us.
I will give you an example of now and 35 years ago. When i was a child and my mum and dad moved to a nice neighbourhood we had several members of the street make objection to us moving there. The whole street was anglo saxon white. We are from Cyprus in the mediterranean. So visually tanned. The lady who was selling to us received threateing letters warning not to sell to us. As my mum and dad had 4 kids and nowhere to go she was brave and took pity upon us. I remember the day we moved in..i was a 5 year old kid....so happy to have a garden and space etc (we lived above a fish and chipshop previously). That day i remember...i was playing in the garden with my brother and sisters when my neighbours children leant over our fence and started to give us abuse...things like 'paki bastards'. I remember that they said thet didnt want 'our kind' here. Such was their ignorance. It hurt us deeply. Being a resilient bunch we weathered the storm. Believing in intergration and conforming to the way of our local community we began, over time to gain some respect...i did however get constantly racially abused...it was a given then ( to think that people pay to sit under sunbeds now to get my colour makes me giggle).
Anyhow 35 years later...my mum lives in the same house...those neighbours' children own that house that their parents once did. He has an 18 year old daughter who is very nice. She is seeing a lad who's parents are African immigrants. He is as black as the inside of a goat. I spoke to him and he is lovely. I spoke to my neighbour, the one who racially abused me 35 years ago about his daughters boyfriend and he absolutely adores him...has no problem with him being black. This would have been virtually unheard of 35 years ago.
My point is : we have come along way in some respects in this passage of time...100 years is an awfully long time brothers.
Evren

[Sheila]

R-A-C-I-A-L-I-S-T

Much like Marty Feldman using the word S-E-D-A-G-I-V-E in 'Young Frankenstein'.

[Tuan_Jim]

I am rapidly revising all of my posts now, so as not to offend the sensibilities of the society that will exist in 100 years time.

[evrenb]

I am rapidly revising all of my posts now, so as not to offend the sensibilities of the society that will exist in 100 years time.

What do you mean Tuan??

[Othro]

R-A-C-I-A-L-I-S-T

Much like Marty Feldman using the word S-E-D-A-G-I-V-E in 'Young Frankenstein'.

Is racialist more of a European term?

[BoxBuzz]

He may not have been a racialist.....I would hate to be so negatively assumptive.

However, at times he certainly displayed racialistic tendencies.

As did most in his times. It makes them less educated than we are today. Not any less "moral" or whatever the stance may be.

Yep, it's all about "hate in the heart" hard to measure, and not likely a trait that Jeffries had. We simply can not use today's values especially regarding language as a way to assess the heart of people past.

[Sheila]

Jack Johnson was more of a R-A-C-I-A-L-I-S-T than James J. Jeffries was.

[BoxBuzz]

Well, let's hope so. Mr Jeffries would have little reason to harbor negative vibes about a group of people of which he was not engaged with to any great degree, and had imposed little if any harm upon him outside the squared circle.

If your are not dumber than dirt, you'll know WHY your statement is showing your amazing powers of "mastering the obvious".

Such statements are rarely needed, as so few would argue it. What's left on the table is who does and does not know "why" such a thing is to be expected. And why such a fact/truth should not be used as a gauge to differentiate some sort of value or meaning regarding it's manifest.

If by your statement you were referring to anything other than this, then you should consider shutting up.

A lot.

[Tuan_Jim]

At least Il Duce has creaked and shambled his old bones back to his second favourite subject, white supremacy.

The world will greatly improve when Duce and his ilk die off.

[Broomhall]

Mel Gibson did several films with Danny Glover........

The point of films is that they are make believe. They involve actors who pretend to be someone else. You can find countless examples of actors playing roles which are the exact opposite of their true beliefs.

[Sheila]

At least Il Duce has creaked and shambled his old bones back to his second favourite subject, white supremacy.

The world will greatly improve when Duce and his ilk die off.

Gee, for a person who hates a certain person so much, you talk about him an awful lot.

I think you Love him. Yes, you Love him.

[punchoutsb]

I am rapidly revising all of my posts now, so as not to offend the sensibilities of the society that will exist in 100 years time.

In 100 years the fact that you were even a fan of boxing will offend the sensibilities of society.

[tiny_acres]

I am rapidly revising all of my posts now, so as not to offend the sensibilities of the society that will exist in 100 years time.

In 100 years the fact that you were even a fan of boxing will offend the sensibilities of society.

Well we are raising a generation of pussies so you are probably right.

[punchoutsb]

I am rapidly revising all of my posts now, so as not to offend the sensibilities of the society that will exist in 100 years time.

In 100 years the fact that you were even a fan of boxing will offend the sensibilities of society.

Well we are raising a generation of pussies so you are probably right.

My point exactly

[Caractacus]

Also on a different note,be sure to go to about 40:25 of this clip to hear a female reporter interview Jim J. Jeffries and ask him a few questions about his boxing career.
(including if he thought he could beat Joe Louis))
As far as I know this may in fact be the only known extant audio interview of the Great Heavyweight Champion(at age 66 years).


http://youtube.com/watch?v=AdyjaEXVkqc[/quote]

[Cap]

When asked in that clip if he could have beaten Joe Louis, he says, "Well, I beat better men than Joe Louis." Of his three toughest opponents while in his prime Fitzsimmons, Corbett and Ruhlin, only Fitz would've stood the gaff for more than a couple of rounds, but Joe would've put him away inside 6 easy. Corbett would've had to run away to avoid being knocked cold. If he tried to box, Louis would've torn him apart like he did Schmeling in their second fight. As for Ruhlin. KO in 1. Choynski and Sharkey were too small to be even considered.

Jeffries must have been hard up to let himself be shown pushing a lawnmower as hired help.