Joe Calzaghe v. Marvin Johnson at 175

[Woldemar]

Two southpaws.Who would win?

[Cap]

Got to pick Johnson. Just a tougher more all-around talented fighter.

[polecateddy]

Calzaghe by late stoppage. Obvious!

[Othro]

Interesting match up. I'd probably take Johnson by KO.

[polecateddy]

Interesting match up. I'd probably take Johnson by KO.

Yeah pick KO by a marginal light-heavyweight contender over probably the all-time second best super-middle. Yeah that makes sense!

[Tomasino]

Interesting match up. I'd probably take Johnson by KO.

Yeah pick KO by a marginal light-heavyweight contender over probably the all-time second best super-middle. Yeah that makes sense!

Unlike Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe legacy will look worse with time. I'd take Marvin Johnson here by decision although I think hed knock Calzaghe down at least twice, Calzaghes heart and foot speed would see him make it through.

[polecateddy]

Twerp!

[BoxBuzz]

Calzaghe is hard to assess for me. Most any of that era of light heavies would likely get the nod from me.

Galindez, Johnson, Muhammad (Saad or Mustafa)

Lopez would be competitive? I'm thinking.

[Tomasino]

Calzaghe is hard to assess for me. Most any of that era of light heavies would likely get the nod from me.

Galindez, Johnson, Muhammad (Saad or Mustafa)

Lopez would be competitive? I'm thinking.

I think he would have. I'd take Conteh at his best to beat Joe too. Calzaghe struggled with Robin Reid and Sakio Bika so I don't see him beating the guys mentioned above.

[Ambling Alp II]

Interesting match up. I'd probably take Johnson by KO.

Yeah pick KO by a marginal light-heavyweight contender over probably the all-time second best super-middle. Yeah that makes sense!

How is Marvin Johnson a "marginal light-heavyweight contender" ? He won a title (when there was only two) three times. He was one of the of the best light heavyweights (in a very deep era in the division's history).

At 175, Johnson would have a very good chance at winning. It does make sense to pick him.

[Tuan_Jim]

Calzaghe, in his own words to my face, had his hardest fight with a spent middle in Chris Eubank. Marvin Johnson, a beast at light heavy, wins by KO.

[polecateddy]

Surely all this KOing Calzaghe nonsense must by logic extend to any number of 80's light heavies with similar firepower. It's fairly obvious none of you followed Calzaghe through his career and are basing the logic on the Jones and Hopkins fights, when Joe was nursing chronically injured hands and could no longer even spar. Those were far from peak performances.

[Othro]

Surely all this KOing Calzaghe nonsense must by logic extend to any number of 80's light heavies with similar firepower. It's fairly obvious none of you followed Calzaghe through his career and are basing the logic on the Jones and Hopkins fights, when Joe was nursing chronically injured hands and could no longer even spar. Those were far from peak performances.

So since these weren't peak performances we should use one of his performances against one of the many cab drivers he looked good against?

Just be honest you didn't know who Marvin Johnson was until this thread and that's when you looked up his record and decided he was a marginal contender.

[polecateddy]

Surely all this KOing Calzaghe nonsense must by logic extend to any number of 80's light heavies with similar firepower. It's fairly obvious none of you followed Calzaghe through his career and are basing the logic on the Jones and Hopkins fights, when Joe was nursing chronically injured hands and could no longer even spar. Those were far from peak performances.

So since these weren't peak performances we should use one of his performances against one of the many cab drivers he looked good against?

Just be honest you didn't know who Marvin Johnson was until this thread and that's when you looked up his record and decided he was a marginal contender.

I've not seen him fight very much but I'm well but I'm aware of his record and recall enjoying watching the title fight repeated on tv around 15 years ago against Saad Muhammad. He seemed to start strongly but then ran out of steam, which wouldn't exactly bode well against an engine like Calzaghe, who probably would have excelled at getting fighters out of there in 15 round fights.

[evrenb]

I would hate to side with Polecat but i see Calzaghe getting through very rough early moments to stop johnson late. And johnson is one of my all time favs...calzaghe did have a good chin and better stamina....my heart feels heavy saying this...:-(

[Counter-puncher]

Johnson's weak point? stamina

Calzaghe's strongest point? stamina.

that makes me think Calzaghe wins.

[Counter-puncher]

plus Marvin was a thrower of big bombs, I like Calzaghe's busy style and movement to offset that approach.

[Woldemar]

Calzaghe outworked him and take clear decision or later stoppage.

[Tuan_Jim]

Since when did Marvin Johnson suffer a stamina problem?

It was the nuclear bombs of Saad Muhammad and the precision punching of Mustafa Muhammad that did him in. I suspect that Parlov and Galindez would question this idea of Marvin Johnson weakening late.

Let's be realistic, Calzaghe can hardly hurt a man like Saad and Mustafa can. Can you imagine what they would have done to an ancient and fragile Roy Jones?

Who did Joe Calzaghe ever stop that was considered world class? Give me one name. Now he's jumping up to light heavy and knocking out a beast like Marvin Johnson? Absurd!

[Tomasino]

Since when did Marvin Johnson suffer a stamina problem?

It was the nuclear bombs of Saad Muhammad and the precision punching of Mustafa Muhammad that did him in. I suspect that Parlov and Galindez would question this idea of Marvin Johnson weakening late.

Let's be realistic, Calzaghe can hardly hurt a man like Saad and Mustafa can. Can you imagine what they would have done to an ancient and fragile Roy Jones?

Who did Joe Calzaghe ever stop that was considered world class? Give me one name. Now he's jumping up to light heavy and knocking out a beast like Marvin Johnson? Absurd!

It's Polecat, it's like dealing with a person with BPD. Nonsense used as facts.

[dempseyfire]

Johnson was all action but he would have to get Joe out in the first half of the fight to win, and I don't see that happening. Calzaghe by close decision.

[Tuan_Jim]

It's Polecat, it's like dealing with a person with BPD. Nonsense used as facts.

But Polecat told me that Carl Thompson was an improved version of Rocky Marciano, and that Dean Franics would KO Nigel Benn - am I supposed to now believe all of that is not true?!

[polecateddy]

It's Polecat, it's like dealing with a person with BPD. Nonsense used as facts.

But Polecat told me that Carl Thompson was an improved version of Rocky Marciano, and that Dean Franics would KO Nigel Benn - am I supposed to now believe all of that is not true?!

Why don't you exaggerate a bit. Never said Dean Francis would KO Nigel Benn, I just rated him as potentially the better supermiddle.

[Tomasino]

It's Polecat, it's like dealing with a person with BPD. Nonsense used as facts.

But Polecat told me that Carl Thompson was an improved version of Rocky Marciano, and that Dean Franics would KO Nigel Benn - am I supposed to now believe all of that is not true?!

Why don't you exaggerate a bit. Never said Dean Francis would KO Nigel Benn, I just rated him as potentially the better supermiddle.

Defend the indefensible why don't you.

[polecateddy]

Anyway this is about Calzaghe/Johnson. Johnson was stopped 5 times, at least 4 of which were during his peak. The stoppages ranged from rounds 4 to 11. Round 8 was a round that featured more than once. He also dropped an 8 rounder to Mwale. He was either a little chinny or tended to gas. It looked like gassing to be honest against Muhammad. I doubt Marvin is one of the top 25 light-heavies in history. Yet he stops the 2nd best super-middle - I don't really think so!