Joe Frazier vs Manuel Ramos(1968)

[Caractacus]

June.24.1968 Madison Square Garden,New York City
for the New York State Heavyweight title
(check out the right hand that the 6 ft. 3" Ramos lands at about 1:10 of the clip.
Frazier almost does the 'funnyman' dance.
Frazier had said that right hand was the hardest punch(at that time) that he had ever taken.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsxGILEKPe4

[yancey]

June.24.1968 Madison Square Garden,New York City
for the New York State Heavyweight title
(check out the right hand that the 6 ft. 3" Ramos lands at about 1:10 of the clip.
Frazier almost does the 'funnyman' dance.
Frazier had said that right hand was the hardest punch(at that time) that he had ever taken.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsxGILEKPe4

This is probably my favorite Frazier fight, right up there with the first Quarry fight. Frazier was a buzz saw in this one and Manuel wanted no more of him after two.

Yes, that Ramos right did connect and briefly wobbled Joe.

That right hand and the fact that Frazier could be a slow starter were factors that had me very concerned in the first Foreman fight. Plus the fact that Joe was obviously not the same fighter in the two fights following the FOTC.

I can honestly say I was not surprised by what happened in Jamaica. Disappointed, but not surprised.

Thanks for posting up a fight showing Frazier nearly at prime.

[Tomasino]

Joe was a machine in his prime. Great fighter and great to watch. Never seen that fight before it was great. Ramos landed some full leverage bombs but Joe was unstoppable.

[dempseyfire]

That's the only film I've seen of Ramos but IMO he looks like a pretty solid fighter while it lasts.

[elmersalsa]

If the great Larry Holmes had the best jab in heavyweight history, the great Smokin Joe had the greatest left hook ever. Oh man!, what a left hook! Short, precise and with bad and evil intentions. That the great Muhammad Ali would have beaten him at that time?.....my ass! This guy was so relentless that I do not think that Ali would have stand the pressure. Ali would have to dance all around the ring and use his superior speed in order to win and hold behind the neck. That is the ONLY WAY I see Muhammad winning if they were both in their primes in '68. Would Ali absorb those shots to the belly and head from this fighting machine? I don't know. Not for full 15 rounds like he did in the FOTC, in which he was heavier and stronger, but slower of foot. Anyway, it would have been a great fight between the two in '68 no matter who wins.

[yancey]

If the great Larry Holmes had the best jab in heavyweight history, the great Smokin Joe had the greatest left hook ever. Oh man!, what a left hook! Short, precise and with bad and evil intentions. That the great Muhammad Ali would have beaten him at that time?.....my ass! This guy was so relentless that I do not think that Ali would have stand the pressure. Ali would have to dance all around the ring and use his superior speed in order to win and hold behind the neck. That is the ONLY WAY I see Muhammad winning if they were both in their primes in '68. Would Ali absorb those shots to the belly and head from this fighting machine? I don't know. Not for full 15 rounds like he did in the FOTC, in which he was heavier and stronger, but slower of foot. Anyway, it would have been a great fight between the two in '68 no matter who wins.

I think prime Ali gets a close decision over Frazier in '67.

I think the Frazier of '69-'70 (before the ankle fracture and increasing medical issues) is too relentless for any version of Ali and stops Ali late. Joe would have MADE Ali fight all three minutes of each round, something that Ali didn't have to do against others. This is a concept that a certain segment of the fistic peanut gallery has serious difficulties grasping.

Frazier definitely showed quicker movement in 1969 than he did for the FOTC. I've long maintained that Frazier was actually slightly past his peak for the FOTC.

What Frazier did against Ramos is extremely impressive, imo. He was a real buzz saw.

Manuel wanted the hell out of there after seeing what Frazier was all about.

Don't say I blame him.