who is britains greatest trainer ?

[Pugilist-specialist]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Absolute garbage. Brendan has helped hundreds and hundreds of people. He had young offenders training there in the 80's who still speak of how he turned there lives around.

Anderson, Saunders and Keeton didn't box in the stereotypical "Ingle" style yet all won British titles. How were they hindered?

[palooka]

I think Brendan Ingle always kept in mind how dangerous boxing could be and advocated learning defence and distance as a way of minimising the danger. If someone didn't have the patience to learn that then they'd most likely come a cropper.

Though there were boxers who didn't box in the 'Ingle' style at the very least by doing the lines and the combinations etc they will have improved their coordination etc. By body sparring instead of full on wars the gym will have enabled boxing careers to be longer than they would have been, most boxing damage is done in spars away from the public and television cameras.

[Clint Magnum]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Absolute garbage. Brendan has helped hundreds and hundreds of people. He had young offenders training there in the 80's who still speak of how he turned there lives around.

Anderson, Saunders and Keeton didn't box in the stereotypical "Ingle" style yet all won British titles. How were they hindered?

Never once said he didn't turn around the lives of hundreds of lads.
I've met him a few times before he took poorly and he's a cracking fella.
The question was who is Britain's greatest trainer not who's done the most for the local community. If you read my post fully you'd see my opinion was that he nearly made it as my choice as the greatest but FOR ME some of his training methods & styles meant he didn't quite make him the best.

[stujones]

I would say it is Brendan Ingle who is the greatest trainer. I can see in someways what Clint is saying. When the style doesn't work it can look bad - However that is sometimes more the issue with the matchmaker/promoter letting the fighter off the leash too soon.

The two examples I think of is Esham Pickering vs Jon Jo Irwin and Rhodes vs Grant. Both found out the hard way that they were not ready for the step up at the time and in someways their lack of experience (the fighters I mean) meant there was no real plan be and at times these fights were horrible to watch. However, both Pickering and Rhodes did very well under Ingle later in their careers (and Rhodes was fighting a very credible world champion when exposed).

[bripez]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Excellent point.

We can all name the handful of successful boxers, there were also a number of journeymen, and a great number of boxers who we just don't know about (statistically, if Ingle helped hundreds/thousands of boxers, the success rate does not indicate a blueprint for success).

[stujones]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Excellent point.

We can all name the handful of successful boxers, there were also a number of journeymen, and a great number of boxers who we just don't know about (statistically, if Ingle helped hundreds/thousands of boxers, the success rate does not indicate a blueprint for success).

On the flip side though won't that be the case with all trainers who have been at it for that length of time. There was a documentary many years ago on Dai Gardiner. At the time he was involved with Steve Robinson and Robbie Reagan (both world champions) and was going through a good spell. He was also training someone who was 0-14 at the time and was a real gym nut.

Yes, some of the new brigade don't seem to have many journeymen on their books (Joe Gallagher, Adam Booth etc). However, you do have to wonder how many they have told to move on etc if they aint got it. Would they have accepted the challenge to train someone with a poor record?

Not everyone is going to be a champion.

[bripez]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Excellent point.

We can all name the handful of successful boxers, there were also a number of journeymen, and a great number of boxers who we just don't know about (statistically, if Ingle helped hundreds/thousands of boxers, the success rate does not indicate a blueprint for success).

On the flip side though won't that be the case with all trainers who have been at it for that length of time. There was a documentary many years ago on Dai Gardiner. At the time he was involved with Steve Robinson and Robbie Reagan (both world champions) and was going through a good spell. He was also training someone who was 0-14 at the time and was a real gym nut.

Yes, some of the new brigade don't seem to have many journeymen on their books (Joe Gallagher, Adam Booth etc). However, you do have to wonder how many they have told to move on etc if they aint got it. Would they have accepted the challenge to train someone with a poor record?

Not everyone is going to be a champion.

I agree with everything you are saying mate.

[Pugilist-specialist]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Absolute garbage. Brendan has helped hundreds and hundreds of people. He had young offenders training there in the 80's who still speak of how he turned there lives around.

Anderson, Saunders and Keeton didn't box in the stereotypical "Ingle" style yet all won British titles. How were they hindered?

Never once said he didn't turn around the lives of hundreds of lads.
I've met him a few times before he took poorly and he's a cracking fella.
The question was who is Britain's greatest trainer not who's done the most for the local community. If you read my post fully you'd see my opinion was that he nearly made it as my choice as the greatest but FOR ME some of his training methods & styles meant he didn't quite make him the best.

You said that he had hindered more than he'd helped which is nonsense.

[Pugilist-specialist]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Excellent point.

We can all name the handful of successful boxers, there were also a number of journeymen, and a great number of boxers who we just don't know about (statistically, if Ingle helped hundreds/thousands of boxers, the success rate does not indicate a blueprint for success).

Naseem Hamed, Johnny Nelson, Ryan Rhodes, Kell Brook and Kid Galahad had never laced a glove on before walking through the gym door. Two won world titles, one fought for one and the other 2 will soon fight for one. If that's not a good success rate, name a trainer with a better one.

[mickey1975]

That is pretty remarkable, from scratch, in Sheffield over a 25 year period.

[Clint Magnum]

I would've said Brendan Ingle but having seen his gym over the years I firmly believe he hindered as many as he helped. He created some great fighters but a hell of a lot of lads had no career cause they didn't have the natural timing and reflexes needed for his loose, preferred training style.

Absolute garbage. Brendan has helped hundreds and hundreds of people. He had young offenders training there in the 80's who still speak of how he turned there lives around.

Anderson, Saunders and Keeton didn't box in the stereotypical "Ingle" style yet all won British titles. How were they hindered?

Never once said he didn't turn around the lives of hundreds of lads.
I've met him a few times before he took poorly and he's a cracking fella.
The question was who is Britain's greatest trainer not who's done the most for the local community. If you read my post fully you'd see my opinion was that he nearly made it as my choice as the greatest but FOR ME some of his training methods & styles meant he didn't quite make him the best.[/quote]

You said that he had hindered more than he'd helped which is nonsense.[/quote]

No I didn't. Read it properly before spouting.
I said his style hinders as many as it helps. There were hundreds of lads you've never heard of who went through his gym. They were taught excellent life values, skills & fitness but his unorthodox approach only works on a select few who have the reflexes and timing to get away with it. As I stated, he's one of Britain's best trainers, just not THE greatest for that reason.

[DMMA]

I think I mistook you for someone else

Ah. so do you agree that Paddy is the best trainer?

Possibly ever...

[Pugilist-specialist]

No I didn't. Read it properly before spouting.
I said his style hinders as many as it helps. There were hundreds of lads you've never heard of who went through his gym. They were taught excellent life values, skills & fitness but his unorthodox approach only works on a select few who have the reflexes and timing to get away with it. As I stated, he's one of Britain's best trainers, just not THE greatest for that reason.

I've given you the names of orthodox fighters who became British champions. The gym has an amazing record for turning out champions but your argument is that because some don't become champions they have been "hindered". Alright mate.

[Clint Magnum]

No I didn't. Read it properly before spouting.
I said his style hinders as many as it helps. There were hundreds of lads you've never heard of who went through his gym. They were taught excellent life values, skills & fitness but his unorthodox approach only works on a select few who have the reflexes and timing to get away with it. As I stated, he's one of Britain's best trainers, just not THE greatest for that reason.

I've given you the names of orthodox fighters who became British champions. The gym has an amazing record for turning out champions but your argument is that because some don't become champions they have been "hindered". Alright mate.

The gym has an amazing record for turning out champions. At what point did I deny that? Stop creating a strawman argument to then criticize something I didn't say.
I said his teaching style hinders many novices who attend because its harder to learn than orthodox boxing methods. I'm speaking from experience of being in his gym. I rate him and the gym highly otherwise I never would have gone there. He is one of our best trainers. I just didn't agree he is the greatest this country has ever produced, which was the purpose of this thread.