Kell Brook - Andre Ward

[SNG]

That's your argument? Christ.

Care to explain the lack of talent in American soccer players then? Given the disparity in levels of funding to NBA and US football here.

You think poor inner city kids (which populate much of the NBA and NFL) are playing friggin soccer as kids?

Trust me. They aren't.

You can't even answer a simple question using your own ideas as a basis for the reasoning. You just said that if the pores that be (whoever the fornicate they are) thought funding Basketball and US Football was worth it they would, there is zero funding and decent level coaching available so no players, fine I can see your reasoning, but what of your soccer players, the funding is there in a big way, why are they all shit?

Do you think inner city kids are playing basketball and tossing round pigskins here crying out for government funding?

[diddy]

You guys are veering off topic because it's obvious Brits would not be able to compete at the major, big money American sports that require being a different breed of athletic talent. It's ok. Just come to grips.

About 90% of Brits are white.

America has a ton of white people. There's a reason the NBA is practically all black and the NFL not far behind. Millions of white guys play basketball and football. Blacks are just better athletes than whites almost across the board. It's not a startling revelation.

[ttornado]

You think poor inner city kids (which populate much of the NBA and NFL) are playing friggin soccer as kids?

Trust me. They aren't.

You know why?
Because to get onto football (soccer) training in the US this costs the parents money. They are poor.

[SNG]

Veering off topic? I'm using your responses as the basis for my questions, are you drunk?

[diddy]

That's your argument? Christ.

Care to explain the lack of talent in American soccer players then? Given the disparity in levels of funding to NBA and US football here.

You think poor inner city kids (which populate much of the NBA and NFL) are playing friggin soccer as kids?

Trust me. They aren't.

You can't even answer a simple question using your own ideas as a basis for the reasoning. You just said that if the pores that be (whoever the eff they are) thought funding Basketball and US Football was worth it they would, there is zero funding and decent level coaching available so no players, fine I can see your reasoning, but what of your soccer players, the funding is there in a big way, why are they all poo?

Do you think inner city kids are playing basketball and tossing round pigskins here crying out for government funding?

Once again. The very best American athletes grow up playing other sports. Not soccer. Not boxing. Basketball. Football.

[SNG]

Once again. The very best American athletes grow up playing other sports. Not soccer. Not boxing. Basketball. Football.

Exactly.

[ttornado]

big money American sports that require being a different breed of athletic talent. It's ok. Just come to grips.

Different athletic talent compared to what?
And different how?

[diddy]

You think poor inner city kids (which populate much of the NBA and NFL) are playing friggin soccer as kids?

Trust me. They aren't.

You know why?
Because to get onto football (soccer) training in the US this costs the parents money. They are poor.

No kidding. Who said otherwise? I'm speaking to athletic ability.

[diddy]

I am saying Americans would be better at soccer if the very best athletes played the sport as youths.

I am saying it wouldn't matter if white British kids played basketball or football as youths because the % of NBA and NFL players wholly dictate that being black and a superior athlete of size AND speed trumps all.

[ttornado]

No kidding. Who said otherwise? I'm speaking to athletic ability.

There is a ready made football population in the Latino community, but financial reasons mean the kids don't get go onto higher level training.

[SNG]

I am saying Americans would be better at soccer if the very best athletes played the sport as youths.

I am saying it wouldn't matter if white British kids played basketball or football as youths because the % of NBA and NFL players wholly dictate that being black and a superior athlete trumps all.

You weren't saying 'white' when I entered this conversation, you're now leaving out 13% of the UK's population, and if we're going to play moving the goalposts half way through I'm off, I'll leave someone else to play your silly games.

[diddy]

I am saying Americans would be better at soccer if the very best athletes played the sport as youths.

I am saying it wouldn't matter if white British kids played basketball or football as youths because the % of NBA and NFL players wholly dictate that being black and a superior athlete trumps all.

You weren't saying 'white' when I entered this conversation, you're now leaving out 13% of the UK's population, and if we're going to play moving the goalposts half way through I'm off, I'll leave someone else to play your silly games.

Because I can't believe I actually had to go through all this back and forth to spell out for you what should be obvious. Let me spell it again.

B. L. A. C. K.

[Jon Saxon]

I am saying Americans would be better at soccer if the very best athletes played the sport as youths.

I am saying it wouldn't matter if white British kids played basketball or football as youths because the % of NBA and NFL players wholly dictate that being black and a superior athlete trumps all.

You weren't saying 'white' when I entered this conversation, you're now leaving out 13% of the UK's population, and if we're going to play moving the goalposts half way through I'm off, I'll leave someone else to play your silly games.

Because I can't believe I actually had to go through all this back and forth to spell out for you what should be obvious. Let me spell it again.

B. L. A. C. K.

C.U.N.T.

[diddy]

What a surprise. Resorting to insults when losing a debate. Typical interwebs tactic. Do better. Or don't get involved in losing conversations out of patriotism.

[Badhusker]

Is this a serious debate?? wtf

[davie]

Why is it when Ward fights like Brook fought last night that he's admonished for it and the ref criticized for allowing it, but when Brook does it is generally overlooked here?

Discuss.

Do people like watching a young man like Brook fight in a manner of a 50 yr old Hopkins?

I'm struggling to see what the issue with Brook is here.
He is not a fighter who is guilty of holding, he likes room to move, he's busy enough during fights and usually decent to watch and a good technician
Last night he fought someone who came at him like a steam train, flying in with hooks and intentionally putting himself of Kells chest. Is he supposed to hold his hands out and let Porter wail away with hooks to the body and head.
the comparison with Hopkins is nonsense, Bernard steps in with punches, over reaches if he misses and ties opponents up, it was porter closing the distance as i'm sure Kell would happily have kept it at range all night long, given the opportunity.

For me, Porter was at fault for a lot of the close up clinching stuff, he refuses to give opponents space and time, which is fine if that's your style, but don't expect an opponent to let you do it

As for tactics during the fight, Porters use of shoulders and head was the cause of both of their cuts, i'd say that were a bigger issue than Kell holding a man who had no intention of staying more than 3 inches away from his opponent most of the night

[Freedom2013]

Kell Brook wasn't using head butts, rabbit punches, clamping Porter's arm, hitting while holding or hitting off the break. Ward uses all of those tactics.

Brook was clinching like Ward, but otherwise he fought a clean fight.

Porter however was repeatedly using rabbit punches and by times was leading with his head. And in the late rounds, Porter was holding more than Brook.

[davie]

Kell Brook wasn't using head butts, rabbit punches, clamping Porter's arm, hitting while holding or hitting off the break. Ward uses all of those tactics.

Brook was clinching like Ward, but otherwise he fought a clean fight.

Porter however was repeatedly using rabbit punches and by times was leading with his head. And in the late rounds, Porter was holding more than Brook.

probably because he was a black american

you're so predictable

[diddy]

Oh yeah, Porter was the one initiating the clinching. Uh Yes. Yes. Thats it.

How bout no, Scott!

[tobyh5]

According to figures I checked there over 60% of the NFL are black players and 80% of the NBA are black so it is a sport that people from that ethnicity excel in over other races which makes this next statistic relevant.

13.6% of the US population is black - 42 million people
2.9% of the UK population is black - 1.6 million people.


So of course the UK will have a lot less potential or real elite level people in that sport. Bad example by the poster.

[Cyclops]

Dude. Please. Britain could have 10x the population of the US and would still have about 2 players in the entire NBA and NFL.

Gridiron and basketball aren't popular sports in the UK. I doubt the US has even any county level cricketers?!

Of course not. That sport is stupid. It's an insult to even call it a sport. What skill does it take to do that? Is Curling also big across the pond?

Are you insinuating that if basketball or American football WAS big over there that there would be a slew of Brits playing basketball at the highest level or in the nfl? Don't make me laugh. Only the best of the best athletes in the world can play in these high level athletic sports. Brits, by and large, are not big, strong, fast physical freaks of nature. This is just reality.

Those rugby players... What a bunch of little wimps!

[Bard of Boxrec]

Kell Brook wasn't using head butts, rabbit punches, clamping Porter's arm, hitting while holding or hitting off the break. Ward uses all of those tactics.

This is how I see it. Ward's fouling arsenal is a box of magic tricks. kell needs to step up if he wants to compete with Ward's fouling repetoire. Screw all this litigation nonsense, Ward should just quit boxing and be an after-dinner speaker, create a niche offering presentation on how to foul as a professional sportsman and get away with it. He'd probably make more of a name for himself than he did in the ring.

Also Lol at the sports conversation.

[ponch]

Kind of a weird comparison. Brook-Porter was scrappy, yes - but that hardly makes it even remotely similar to anything that Ward does in there.

The majority of fans may not dig Ward's style, but he's busy on the inside and VERY effective there (as well as at range). He doesn't just hang on until the ref restarts things, he's always working his opponent over.

Brook needed to be at range and Porter wanted to get inside. It was just a slightly messy style match up.

[Freedom2013]

According to figures I checked there over 60% of the NFL are black players and 80% of the NBA are black so it is a sport that people from that ethnicity excel in over other races which makes this next statistic relevant.

13.6% of the US population is black - 42 million people
2.9% of the UK population is black - 1.6 million people.


So of course the UK will have a lot less potential or real elite level people in that sport. Bad example by the poster.

This is a black supremacist point of view.

You're basically saying that having black skin makes people superior athletes.

I say race has nothing to do with it.

[Counter-puncher]

this is just going to get better and better