Hardest Light Heavyweight Punchers

[barry]

The reason Tiger beat Benvenuti was that he was much more physical, plus Benvenuti was at the end of the road to when they met, it wasn't like he beat the best of Benvenuti. Tiger was not completely shot against Foster, but he was way past his prime.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

So where would you rank Foster in terms of one-punch power, Q?

I rank him the hardest hitter, pound-for-pound, of all time.

u rate him # 1 p4p of ALL TIME????


well I think the hardest hitters in history p4p is jimmy wilde and bob fitzimmons , its not contest really. Both guys knocked out much bigger men. I have wilde at # 1 because When you have a guy 105lb that light knocking out good fighters 20lb heavier, then you got a freak of nature right there.


Foster also never carried his power outside of 175, so its tough to rate him with the elites.


If I made a p4p hardest hitters list, he would probably be in top 20 .



here are my 175lb hardest hitters


1. Bob Fitzimmons
2. Sam Langford
3. Bob Satterfield
4. Archie Moore and Bob Foster tied


something like that

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I really thinks it's a myth of how Moore showed awesome power against heavyweights. Take a hard look at his record, what really good heavyweight did he ever stop ? And remember, Archie wasn't a light-heavyweight himslef in most of his fights against heavyweights.
We are talking about who is the hardest light-heavyweight punchers.

ok,




Archie Moore knocked out these big heavyweights:


KO 1 6'3 200lb Alberto Santiago Lovell - lovell was 76-5-3 and had never been knocked out in his 17 year ring career


W 10 6'3 210lb Nino Valdes - Moore knocked the big top rated heavyweight down despite giving up 30lbs.


TKO 9 6'2 210lb Bob Baker- Moore knocked out top heavyweight contender bob baker. Baker was a very good heavyweight.


TKO 14 Harold Johnson- Johnson had a great chin, even at heavyweight. Johnson had taken big punches throughout his career by hard punchers. Moore was able to knock very durable johnson out. Moores sneaky powerful right hand did the job.

KO'd in 9 Rocky Marciano- Moore hit marciano with the possibly hardest punch he ever recieved. It was a flush sneaky right hand, the one that knocked out many harold johnson and many others. Marciano had a great chin and had never been really hurt during his career and had been knocked down 1 in 48 fights. Moore put marciano down with a punch that would have knocked out a lot of other heavies, and marciano himself admitted "i blacked out for a second". That was possibly the closest thing we seen to marciano hurt his entire career.


TKO 6 and TKO 10 6' 195lb Bert Whitehurst - Whitehurst was a solid durable heavyweight contender. whitehurst was knocked out TWICE by archie moore. even the 47 year old moore in the 2nd fight knocked out bert. This is the same whiteshurt who went the distance twice with SONNY LISTON.



TKO 9 6'3 212lb James J Parker - Parker was a top 10 heavyweight contender who was very durable. He had taken nino valdes best punches in a 10 round decision loss. In his prior fights before moore, he took hard punches from HUGE hitter earl walls in a 12 round draw, and then took 7'3 335lb EWART POTGEITER(94" reach) best punches. The same Ewart Potgieter who would end up killing a man in his next fight. He also was not floored by huge punchers 6'5 225lb johhny arthur and 6'3 215lb hard hitting heinz neuhas. So parker DEFINTLEY HAD A GOOD CHIN. Yet, archie moore unlike those other hard hitting heavies was able to knock parker out.


KO 10 6'4 212lb Alejandro Lavorante- a 48 year old moore nearly killed top heavyweight contender alejandro lavorante, knocking the big man out cold in the 10th. Lavorante died 2 bouts later, but its clear that Moore's KO over lavorante had a lot to do with it, much like baer with shaaf.





well thats quite an impressive list to me, And i only included the ranked fighters. Moore knocked out a lot of HUGE heavyweights i left off the list.

[DoubleM]

Moore's game was speed, delivery, accuracy and masterful timing. Of course, he had very good power, but it was the other stuff that brought it all together.

Foster launched bombs, while Moore shot bullets. Foster was the grenade and Moore was the assault rifle.

Foster never really carried his power outside of light heavyweight, that's true. But I always thought he seemed a little intimidated and cautious versus those bigger guys, like he didn't want to punch too hard in fear of being tagged in return, knowing he couldn't withstand many of their punches.

Foster really knocked the shit out of people. Mike Quarry - durable guy, never stopped until completely shot. Quarry did actually look like he had been shot by a sniper up on the roof after Foster caught him with a perfect left hook, and people at ringside really did think he was dead at first.
Dick Tiger - known to be durable, had been in with the best, only stopped once in his eighth professional fight, a TKO - Foster hit him with a single left hook again, and poor old Tiger was knocked stupid.
Vicente Rondon - not known to be particularly durable, but neither was Herol Graham or Jersey Joe Walcott, so this is still another credible knockout. Foster jabs and walks him into position, slips a jab and lands a flush right hand - Rondon would have been down for ten from this punch alone. But Foster rips in two more short left hooks to Rondon's jaw, and he was out cold.
Hal Carroll, Eddie Cotton and Mark Tessman, three other durables, and also the never-stopped LeRoy Green all had the shit beaten out of them by Foster. All but Tessman was knocked out for the full count, and then some.

Foster had some seriously heavy artillery. It was like Hearns' at welterweight, quite unfair if you ask me. The three knockouts of Foster that I've seen so far are all sickening, and I'm waiting to get the Finnegan fight, so I'll get back to you on that Q.

[Ambling Alp]

I really thinks it's a myth of how Moore showed awesome power against heavyweights. Take a hard look at his record, what really good heavyweight did he ever stop ? And remember, Archie wasn't a light-heavyweight himslef in most of his fights against heavyweights.
We are talking about who is the hardest light-heavyweight punchers.

ok,




Archie Moore knocked out these big heavyweights:


KO 1 6'3 200lb Alberto Santiago Lovell - lovell was 76-5-3 and had never been knocked out in his 17 year ring career


W 10 6'3 210lb Nino Valdes - Moore knocked the big top rated heavyweight down despite giving up 30lbs.


TKO 9 6'2 210lb Bob Baker- Moore knocked out top heavyweight contender bob baker. Baker was a very good heavyweight.


TKO 14 Harold Johnson- Johnson had a great chin, even at heavyweight. Johnson had taken big punches throughout his career by hard punchers. Moore was able to knock very durable johnson out. Moores sneaky powerful right hand did the job.

KO'd in 9 Rocky Marciano- Moore hit marciano with the possibly hardest punch he ever recieved. It was a flush sneaky right hand, the one that knocked out many harold johnson and many others. Marciano had a great chin and had never been really hurt during his career and had been knocked down 1 in 48 fights. Moore put marciano down with a punch that would have knocked out a lot of other heavies, and marciano himself admitted "i blacked out for a second". That was possibly the closest thing we seen to marciano hurt his entire career.


TKO 6 and TKO 10 6' 195lb Bert Whitehurst - Whitehurst was a solid durable heavyweight contender. whitehurst was knocked out TWICE by archie moore. even the 47 year old moore in the 2nd fight knocked out bert. This is the same whiteshurt who went the distance twice with SONNY LISTON.



TKO 9 6'3 212lb James J Parker - Parker was a top 10 heavyweight contender who was very durable. He had taken nino valdes best punches in a 10 round decision loss. In his prior fights before moore, he took hard punches from HUGE hitter earl walls in a 12 round draw, and then took 7'3 335lb EWART POTGEITER(94" reach) best punches. The same Ewart Potgieter who would end up killing a man in his next fight. He also was not floored by huge punchers 6'5 225lb johhny arthur and 6'3 215lb hard hitting heinz neuhas. So parker DEFINTLEY HAD A GOOD CHIN. Yet, archie moore unlike those other hard hitting heavies was able to knock parker out.


KO 10 6'4 212lb Alejandro Lavorante- a 48 year old moore nearly killed top heavyweight contender alejandro lavorante, knocking the big man out cold in the 10th. Lavorante died 2 bouts later, but its clear that Moore's KO over lavorante had a lot to do with it, much like baer with shaaf.





well thats quite an impressive list to me, And i only included the ranked fighters. Moore knocked out a lot of HUGE heavyweights i left off the list.

Well, that not an impressive list to me.
Lovell,Parker, and Whitehurst weren't even rated when Moore fought them. Lavarante wasn't for real, his other fights against decent opponents show that.
Valdes was always an overrated stiff. And Moore only knocked him down, didn't stop him.
Bob Baker? If anything this shows the lack of depth in the heavyweight division during the 1950's.
A lot is made of the knockdown of Marciano, but this is more of an embarrassment fort Marciano than it's a phenomenal achievement for Moore.
Where was Archie's power against Patterson? He had a glass jaw to say the least.

Most of important of all, except for Johnson (who he was only able to ko once in 5 fights with him) and the Lovell ko, Archie was well over 175 in these fights, which is what this topic is about.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Where was Archie's power against Patterson? He had a glass jaw to say the least.

moore always said how he didnt come into the patterson fight mentally or physically prepared. he wanted to call the fight off, he went into the fight not wanting to be there. you can believe it if u want to, archie does spread a lot of bullshit but I do believe him this time. he didnt look the same he did in the patterson fight.

that said, moore still outboxed him the first 4 rounds and was well ahead on the cards.

had archie got a rematch or had called the orginal date off and fought him months later, archie would have had a good chance at a win over a 21 year old GREEN patterson.

Valdes was always an overrated stiff. And Moore only knocked him down, didn't stop him.
Bob Baker? If anything this shows the lack of depth in the heavyweight division during the 1950's.

did u ever see them fight?? how were they overated?? these guys were just as good as some of the 80s alhpa champs.

bob baker had incredibily fast handspeed with good boxing and packed a good punch. that made him a dangerous fighter to anyone he faced

[Ambling Alp]

Well, I guess we will have to disagree about Baker and Valdes. I don't think either was as good as any of the alpha bet soup champs of the 1980's. Niether's record is that impressive. Both Valdes and Baker had losses to ordinary fighters and usually lost when they fought anyone good. For example, Baker lost to Roy Harris, please don't tell me that Harris was good. Just by watching tapes, it seems obvious that the heavyweight division of the 1940's and 1950's didn't have a lot of depth. Almost everything I've ever read about this supports this as well.

Not that the top heavyweights of the 1980's (besides Tyson and Holmes) were anything special. They could look pretty mediocre at times, most were very inconsistent. Still they seem much better the 1950's.
For example, besides Marciano, Charles, and Walcott, I don't think any were as good as Witherspoon,Thomas, Dokes, Page,Coetzee, Tubbs, Berbick, Cooney, and Tucker.

As for Archie, I had never heard anyone say before that Moore was winning before he got knocked out. I don't really buy his excuses for losing to Patterson. Fighters always seem to have some excuse or another.
I don't mean to be ripping Archie. I always liked him and consider him one of the all time greats.