Golovkin vs. Rubio, Winner fights Cotto

[bigznyc]

Even if Saul is unavailable, Cotto will not fight GGG at 160. They may start pushing for 154.5 catch weight or something like that.

There isn't a whole lot going on @ 160 so idk that thats necessarily true, but Miguel is one of the biggest draws in the game so he can dictate terms & as a smaller weight guy I can't fault him for going to a lower weight if he wants & if GGG agrees than it is what it is. And I mean Miguel fought Antonio twice & everyone acts like Antonio was the mfing boogieman so idk why he'd be scarred or w/e youre suggesting to fight GGG @ 160.

the 2nd time, everyone knew margarito was more washed up than my dish rag

[Cyclops]

GGG is not moving up until he collects MW belts or receives a very good money offer (currently possible from Chavez, Froch or Kessler only).

Speaking about Rubio, he does have a very good chin and good power. He was competitive against JCCJ losing a close decision and demolished Lemieux. Rubio's main drawback seems to be that he is moving back when is attacked causing more punishment than necessary and limiting counter possibilities.

OK I'll ask this again: Is this the very same Rubio who got smashed by Kelly Pavlik, I think after he lost to Hopkins? If I remember rightly Pavlik was criticized for taking this fight in, what, 2008? Pavlik was just coming back from a pasting and this was his 'confidence re-builder' fight. It was seen as meaningless. And Pavlik stopped him anyway.

That was over six years ago.

Don't try and paint him to be a good opponent for Golovkin if Golovkin is the destroyer he's supposed to be.

[ikorolev]

GGG is not moving up until he collects MW belts or receives a very good money offer (currently possible from Chavez, Froch or Kessler only).

Speaking about Rubio, he does have a very good chin and good power. He was competitive against JCCJ losing a close decision and demolished Lemieux. Rubio's main drawback seems to be that he is moving back when is attacked causing more punishment than necessary and limiting counter possibilities.

OK I'll ask this again: Is this the very same Rubio who got smashed by Kelly Pavlik, I think after he lost to Hopkins? If I remember rightly Pavlik was criticized for taking this fight in, what, 2008? Pavlik was just coming back from a pasting and this was his 'confidence re-builder' fight. It was seen as meaningless. And Pavlik stopped him anyway.

That was over six years ago.

Don't try and paint him to be a good opponent for Golovkin if Golovkin is the destroyer he's supposed to be.

The Pavlik fight was 5+ years ago. Since then, Rubio started training with Robert Garcia and has compiled a 16-1 record where his loss to JCCJ should have been a draw. He also destroyed an alleged destroyer, Lemieux. Rubio is as good an opponent as it gets now at MW. Who do you think is better, Quillin, Soliman, Cotto ? I doubt they would beat Rubio.

There are multiple other reasons why Rubio was selected:
- to have Golovkin become mandatory for Cotto
- to build fan base in California
- to build fan base among Mexicans

Golovkin is significantly better than any current MW which is why whoever he chooses at MW, there are always unhappy people.

[Cyclops]

GGG is not moving up until he collects MW belts or receives a very good money offer (currently possible from Chavez, Froch or Kessler only).

Speaking about Rubio, he does have a very good chin and good power. He was competitive against JCCJ losing a close decision and demolished Lemieux. Rubio's main drawback seems to be that he is moving back when is attacked causing more punishment than necessary and limiting counter possibilities.

OK I'll ask this again: Is this the very same Rubio who got smashed by Kelly Pavlik, I think after he lost to Hopkins? If I remember rightly Pavlik was criticized for taking this fight in, what, 2008? Pavlik was just coming back from a pasting and this was his 'confidence re-builder' fight. It was seen as meaningless. And Pavlik stopped him anyway.

That was over six years ago.

Don't try and paint him to be a good opponent for Golovkin if Golovkin is the destroyer he's supposed to be.

The Pavlik fight was 5+ years ago. Since then, Rubio started training with Robert Garcia and has compiled a 16-1 record where his loss to JCCJ should have been a draw. He also destroyed an alleged destroyer, Lemieux. Rubio is as good an opponent as it gets now at MW. Who do you think is better, Quillin, Soliman, Cotto ? I doubt they would beat Rubio.

There are multiple other reasons why Rubio was selected:
- to have Golovkin become mandatory for Cotto
- to build fan base in California
- to build fan base among Mexicans

Golovkin is significantly better than any current MW which is why whoever he chooses at MW, there are always unhappy people.

OK I was a year out on the Pavlik fight. I hold my hands up there. This isn't meant to be any sort of personal attack on you so don't take it that way, but your post really just serves to reinforce my point. OK, I'll go through some things you said.

1.) Rubio goes 16-1 since the Pavlik loss against such a murderers row. I'm particularly impressed with his winning the WBF super middleweight title with his stoppage of Carlos Baldomir, the 5'7" former welterweight champ 49-14-6. He should have got a draw with Jnr? I don't know I never watched it. Maybe he should have done. The thing is, Chavez has never really been all that good and we all know that. He's been able to drain and rehydrate amazingly and have huge advantages in size over his opponents but when he faced an actually good fighter - Sergio Martinez- he got battered half to death for 11 rounds before pulling his huge size advantage out of his ass and landing a peach on Sergio. Somehow this clouds people's memories. Jnr gets killed every time he faces an elite fighter, the only thing that keeps him in it is his chin and his power. And his fanbase. Anybody not Mexican knows this is why he didn't want any of GGG and why Froch is looking at him: he brings $$$ and an audience and a chance to look good against a guy that you won't blow away in a couple of rounds but will probably look good beating up and maybe will even have a moment against you so that people forget it's a mismatch. OK, I believe you it should have been a draw. That just reinforces to me how much Jnr sucks.

2.) "Rubio is as good an opponent as it gets now at MW. Who do you think is better, Quillin, Soliman, Cotto ? I doubt they would beat Rubio." Yowza really? That's what you think? Rubio is better than all the other 'names' in the division? Wow! How MW has fallen in a few years. What does it mean to be the king of that division then? I like GGG I really do. I showed him to all my 'casual' boxing friends a long time ago, "check out this guy!" etc. But his opponents have not got better. I do not give a rat's ass about him fighting Rubio. I could've been vaguely interested in Quillin, Soliman or Cotto because they're unifications. But I don't think any of them are good fights. It's the consensus that Cotto is basically holding the championship ransom and that there are guys at 154 he couldn't beat, let alone GGG.

3.) "Golovkin is significantly better than any current MW which is why whoever he chooses at MW, there are always unhappy people." Yep. That's right. That's why when I heard about this fight I got unexpectedly angry. I don't know why. It actually really p*ssed me off. I just thought, move up. Just MOVE UP. See, you could bring up Ward here, who dominates his division and won't move up. But 168 has good fighters with fan bases, competitive fights, guys who will fight each other, guys coming up. It is deep. It is fun. Even the B level guys like Abraham are fun and can punch and bring $ and a name. MW blows. You've so much as said it yourself. But sure, Golovkin can KO Rubio in a nice mismatch and hopefully work his way into a lovely lucrative mismatch with whichever blown up midget wins Cotto-Canelo (and don't give me that Canelo is really a middle weight. Do you think Canelo beats peak Martinez or Pavlik or Jermain Taylor or MW Hopkins? They all kill him. Even Paul Willliams, who was never really a MW anyway, gives him trouble and probably beats him if he's peak). Anyway, the winner of that will most likely swerve Golovkin. I know Canelo goes after tough high risk low reward fights, like Trout (at the time) and Lara, but both of those guys aren't as big as GGG nor hit anywhere near as hard.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

at the random move up in weight just because argument.

[ikorolev]

2.) "Rubio is as good an opponent as it gets now at MW. Who do you think is better, Quillin, Soliman, Cotto ? I doubt they would beat Rubio." Yowza really? That's what you think? Rubio is better than all the other 'names' in the division? Wow! How MW has fallen in a few years. What does it mean to be the king of that division then? I like GGG I really do. I showed him to all my 'casual' boxing friends a long time ago, "check out this guy!" etc. But his opponents have not got better. I do not give a rat's ass about him fighting Rubio. I could've been vaguely interested in Quillin, Soliman or Cotto because they're unifications. But I don't think any of them are good fights. It's the consensus that Cotto is basically holding the championship ransom and that there are guys at 154 he couldn't beat, let alone GGG.

3.) "Golovkin is significantly better than any current MW which is why whoever he chooses at MW, there are always unhappy people." Yep. That's right. That's why when I heard about this fight I got unexpectedly angry. I don't know why. It actually really p*ssed me off. I just thought, move up. Just MOVE UP. See, you could bring up Ward here, who dominates his division and won't move up. But 168 has good fighters with fan bases, competitive fights, guys who will fight each other, guys coming up. It is deep. It is fun. Even the B level guys like Abraham are fun and can punch and bring $ and a name. MW blows. You've so much as said it yourself. But sure, Golovkin can KO Rubio in a nice mismatch and hopefully work his way into a lovely lucrative mismatch with whichever blown up midget wins Cotto-Canelo (and don't give me that Canelo is really a middle weight. Do you think Canelo beats peak Martinez or Pavlik or Jermain Taylor or MW Hopkins? They all kill him. Even Paul Willliams, who was never really a MW anyway, gives him trouble and probably beats him if he's peak). Anyway, the winner of that will most likely swerve Golovkin. I know Canelo goes after tough high risk low reward fights, like Trout (at the time) and Lara, but both of those guys aren't as big as GGG nor hit anywhere near as hard.

2) I am not saying that Rubio is better than those "champs", but he is on the same level, so on his good day he can beat them.

3) Yeh, just move up to make some people happy by taking blows from bigger fighters for peanuts. Everybody deserves to fight at a weight they feel comfortable at. Of course, if there is a big money offer, then it makes sense to take a fight at 168; otherwise, what is a point ? He has only under 5 years left to provide for his future and by fighting bigger people, he will make that shorter.

[Cyclops]

Yeh, just move up to make some people happy by taking blows from bigger fighters for peanuts. Everybody deserves to fight at a weight they feel comfortable at. Of course, if there is a big money offer, then it makes sense to take a fight at 168; otherwise, what is a point ? He has only under 5 years left to provide for his future and by fighting bigger people, he will make that shorter.

I don't think those fights will be for peanuts... Well, I guess he should stay at the weight and hope the Cotto/Canelo winner has the gonads to fight him. There will be real money there as I think it will be Canelo so we will see.

at the random move up in weight just because argument.

I didn't think it was that random but maybe I'm just in rant mode. I guess it's time to stop doing lines, take a valium and get some sleep

[ikorolev]

Yeh, just move up to make some people happy by taking blows from bigger fighters for peanuts. Everybody deserves to fight at a weight they feel comfortable at. Of course, if there is a big money offer, then it makes sense to take a fight at 168; otherwise, what is a point ? He has only under 5 years left to provide for his future and by fighting bigger people, he will make that shorter.

I don't think those fights will be for peanuts... Well, I guess he should stay at the weight and hope the Cotto/Canelo winner has the gonads to fight him. There will be real money there as I think it will be Canelo so we will see.

I didn't mean Canelo or Cotto, and by the way GGG wouldn't need to move up for them. Neither did I mean good money fights like JCCJ, Froch in England, Kessler in Denmark. Abraham in Germany could be good too, but I doubt that Abraham will want it.

Fights with Ward (which may not be realistic at all taking into account his promotional situation), Bika, Dirrells, etc. would not bring significantly more money than fights with Quillin/Korobov winner, Lemieux, Soliman, good LMW's moving up.

[VG_Addict]

I would love to see Golovkin put a beating on that hypejob Canelo.

[ikorolev]

I would love to see Golovkin put a beating on that hypejob Canelo.

After Canelo beats Cotto, he may want to prove who has real "Mexican style". Besides, Golovkin will be his mandatory, so hopefully that fight can happen.

[ikorolev]

What is Chavez Senior doing here ?

[ikorolev]

Golovkin's sparring partners will include LHW Fonfara and CW Akberbaev. Looks like they are taking Rubio very seriously.

[ikorolev]

GGG's advanced ice bucket version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04SUmm-Jn0