Shane Mcguigan

[lefty]

Was just reading this article by Gareth A Davies .... It seems like for such a young trainer, Shane really knows his stuff and is very methodical in his approach http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... lenge.html

[handsofstone]

Ive always found Shane likeable and he does seem to have an old head on young shoulders,i dont think he's as excitable as dad but he's a new age trainer,i would like to see him work with different fighters to see how he would adapt and adjust them

[Bodyshot3]

He seems like a very decent, articulate and intelligent guy in all the interviews I've read. Barry does the business side and Shane does the technical training, fitness and nutrition work. And you can't argue with the shape Carl is in.

I think his place in his Battersea is financially-dependent/geared to offering wealthy London clients one-to-one fitness regimes and coaching and that's his background, but there's no harm in that and it is probably a more reliable way to pay the bills.

Will be interesting to see whether Shane and Barry expand the boxing side some more; at present they've got Carl and a young middleweight on their books. My guess is that they won't...they seem to like the model of totally investing their time in a couple of fighters they really believe in.

[handsofstone]

He seems like a very decent, articulate and intelligent guy in all the interviews I've read. Barry does the business side and Shane does the technical training, fitness and nutrition work. And you can't argue with the shape Carl is in.

I think his place in his Battersea is financially-dependent/geared to offering wealthy London clients one-to-one fitness regimes and coaching and that's his background, but there's no harm in that and it is probably a more reliable way to pay the bills.

Will be interesting to see whether Shane and Barry expand the boxing side some more; at present they've got Carl and a young middleweight on their books. My guess is that they won't...they seem to like the model of totally investing their time in a couple of fighters they really believe in.

A bit like a certain Mr Booth

[zidane]

; at present they've got Carl and a young middleweight on their books.
And Freddie Flintoff

[TJ77]

; at present they've got Carl and a young middleweight on their books.
And Freddie Flintoff

[Fatsam]

Certainly comes across very confidently

[lillywhite14]

I believe Barry has other interests outside the sport. I'am pretty sure he had/has a share in a pretty succesful civil engineering company down my way.

[lefty]

I believe Barry has other interests outside the sport. I'am pretty sure he had/has a share in a pretty succesful civil engineering company down my way.

Oh is it? Where you talking?

[lillywhite14]

I believe Barry has other interests outside the sport. I'am pretty sure he had/has a share in a pretty succesful civil engineering company down my way.

Oh is it? Where you talking?

Not sure if he is still involved with it, but I'm sure he had a share in a company based in Chatham that was doing well a few years back. Few local lads I know worked for the said company and my uncle was friendly with Barry's would be partner.

[lefty]

I believe Barry has other interests outside the sport. I'am pretty sure he had/has a share in a pretty succesful civil engineering company down my way.

Oh is it? Where you talking?

Not sure if he is still involved with it, but I'm sure he had a share in a company based in Chatham that was doing well a few years back. Few local lads I know worked for the said company and my uncle was friendly with Barry's would be partner.

Ah ok. Didnt know he had business interests down this way. Saying that though, he does live in Kent so i've read I think.

[1 nut]

Credit where credit is due . He delivered big time . Well done

[veriton]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

[billy nelson]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

Martinez is world class or cant you except that, they don't give world titles out for nothing you know

[billy nelson]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

Martinez is world class or cant you except that, they don't give world titles out for nothing you know

[lefty]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

Martinez is world class or cant you except that, they don't give world titles out for nothing you know

What do you think of Shane as a trainer, Billy? As someone that actually is one and has trained world champions.

[veriton]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

Martinez is world class or cant you except that, they don't give world titles out for nothing you know

that last points not even worth arguing about - im sure we could both give a long list of dubious world champions in this day and age where the belts are split up. frampton had already beaten martinez (well) so im finding it hard to put the rematch win into the "ascending into world class" bracket. the best man at the weight is rigondeaux so that's who most people regard as the world champion - and frampton isn't even close to that at the moment. if he takes the fight and wins (and rigondeaux will fight anyone, anywhere) then he's the world champion. if he starts picking off a load of nobodies at the foot end of the IBF's top 15 then that tells it's own story.

[Roman7]

Must of gained a lot of knowledge over the years from paps

[black panther]

he's done what neil fannan did at the moment so let's not get carried away just yet.

i'm not convinced by all this advanced appliance of science stuff, how much of a difference does it really make? let's see frampton win some serious fights at world level against class operators before we start hailing the mcguigan team as the best thing since mr t laced on gloves, just cos "he talks well"

Martinez is world class or cant you except that, they don't give world titles out for nothing you know

that last points not even worth arguing about - im sure we could both give a long list of dubious world champions in this day and age where the belts are split up. frampton had already beaten martinez (well) so im finding it hard to put the rematch win into the "ascending into world class" bracket. the best man at the weight is rigondeaux so that's who most people regard as the world champion - and frampton isn't even close to that at the moment. if he takes the fight and wins (and rigondeaux will fight anyone, anywhere) then he's the world champion. if he starts picking off a load of nobodies at the foot end of the IBF's top 15 then that tells it's own story.

Please explain to me which of Kiko Martinez's last three wins was not not over a world class opponent?

Hasegawa? - Absolutely brilliant bantamweight world champion.
Mathebula? - Took Donaire the distaince and took the very good Cabellero to split decision.
Romero - Hold a win over the highly regarded Chris Avalos.

So you're saying, despite beating the last three opponents emphatically, Martinez can not be considered world class?

Okay.

[veriton]

Please explain to me which of Kiko Martinez's last three wins was not not over a world class opponent?

Hasegawa? - Absolutely brilliant bantamweight world champion.
Mathebula? - Took Donaire the distaince and took the very good Cabellero to split decision.
Romero - Hold a win over the highly regarded Chris Avalos.

So you're saying, despite beating the last three opponents emphatically, Martinez can not be considered world class?

Okay.

hasegawa was a brilliant bantamweight champion, that's true. but he was boiling himself down for a long time and it ruined him. montiel hammered him and he jumped straight to 126 where jhonny g battered him too. he is damaged goods.

mathebula - lost almost every round to donaire who was in turn completed schooled by rigondeuax

romero - padded record, where is he now?

look, i rate frampton but people are getting carried away here over a repeat win over martinez. he needs to do the business at the top level, which he may well do. until he does then a few need to wind their necks in

[bripez]

look, i rate frampton but people are getting carried away here over a repeat win over martinez. he needs to do the business at the top level, which he may well do. until he does then a few need to wind their necks in

I understand what you are saying and agree.

It was a good win, but don't forget that he was favourite to beat a bloke who he had already beat.

Compare this to say Kel Brook who went to America as the underdog to beat a champion (although again, not the best in their division) and the old romantic in me views this as a better win if you know what I mean.

[veriton]

yes, brook's win certainly has a lot more credibility

[manchester-mexican]

So by the same reasoning Quigg not the real deal until he beats Rigo?? :-/

[bripez]

So by the same reasoning Quigg not the real deal until he beats Rigo?? :-/

How is that the same reasoning ? - neither Brook, Quigg or Frampton are the best in their divisions - this isn't under any doubt.

For me (personal choice) Brooks win (overseaes, underdog) rates a better / more "romantic" win than Frampton (who was at home, the favourite and beat a man he had previously beat), whilst Quigg didn't even win a title I don't think ?

He got a draw for the WBA (which is still held by Rigo) and then they had to quickly find some bantamweight to beat (who was ranked number 80 in the world or something) to try to make it a little bit more credible.

[Datsue]

So by the same reasoning Quigg not the real deal until he beats Rigo?? :-/

How is that the same reasoning ? - neither Brook, Quigg or Frampton are the best in their divisions - this isn't under any doubt.

For me (personal choice) Brooks win (overseaes, underdog) rates a better / more "romantic" win than Frampton (who was at home, the favourite and beat a man he had previously beat), whilst Quigg didn't even win a title I don't think ?

He got a draw for the WBA (which is still held by Rigo) and then they had to quickly find some bantamweight to beat (who was ranked number 80 in the world or something) to try to make it a little bit more credible.

But I will say, Kiko was on a Hell of a run. He had form. But for me, flattening Dunne in nanoseconds was better form than grinding down the dudes he did for two of the other three wins (Mathebula is the exception there, that's a very very good result).

Shows what can happen with boxing riddled with bullshit as it is: bloke coming off a devastating KO defeat gets picked up as a soft touch voluntary by a not particularly deserving titlist 'cos he's still floating around the nether regions of the top ten, pulls a blinder & the upset, & then goes on to knock off a load of guys who--whilst either not very good per se or at least in Hasegawa's case, not any more, but decent international-level--one would definitely favour to beat him if you were asked.

Then the guy who knocked him off gets his just desserts by beating him again, & deservedly gets plaudits & a belt out of it. S'good news all round.

Kiko's resurgence (post losing to Carl the first time) validates the title for Frampton is what I'm trying to get at, still without painting Kiko as an all-conquering destroyer. Whereas Quigg's status/fights as a world champion...

Ha. Ha. Ha.

PS: Brook's win over an unbeaten young fella, in what was made as a much closer fight by the oddsmakers, away from home... You literally cannot compare the two lads at super-bantam to that, imo. I think the lighter pair as "cough-cough world champs cough-cough [insert disclaimer about how "everyone who beats a contender now *deserves* a stupid title & you're not allowed to criticise it, you curmudgeon you, 'cos, er, marketing & belts & It's Just How It's Done (By pudenda) & Happens To Make Them A Lot Of Money So Therefore It Must Be Right"]" whereas I can say the word's "Kell Brook" & "world champion" in the same sentence--whilst acknowledging that I'm using the phrase when I talk about Brook in a debased, "modern" way, 'cos like Mayweather/Pacquiao for starters--without flinching so hard I end up in an alternate dimension.

PPS: The intersection of sport & politics that is modern boxing, when you try to talk about it honestly, can tie you in fornicating knots.