Mayweather vs Maidana

[Badhusker]

I am looking forward to this fight as much as I did back when SRL rematched Duran years ago. SRL was much younger than Floyd was for his rematch, but I do think Floyd does a number on Maidana this time. I thought the first fight was 8-4 or 9-3 in favor of Floyd, but many thought it was closer.

The big question is if the ref will allow the illegal tactics that Maidana used last time? Head butt, multiple low blows to the groin, thighs, and hips, rabbit punches, tackles, arm twisting, etc. Yes, Floyd uses his forearm to create space, but he doesn't throw vicious elbows like some like to claim.

If the ref does his job, Floyd wins easily by UD, or KO. I have absolutely no respect for Maidana's trainer Garcia for telling and encouraging Maidana to use illegal tactics. He is a fornicating joke as a trainer to do something like that. That is not just an opinion, it is a fact.

[FloydtheDuck]

yeah, floyd never cheats

but maidana is a cheater, blah blah blah

if you had the fight 9-3- not only give up on boxing, give up on life

[punchoutsb]

Floyd is probably the best in ring gameplanner in the whole world, spanning every division. If Floyd can neutralize opponents by thinking on his feet in the ring, he can certainly do it after being in the ring with them before and a ton of study time.

Maidens's only chance before was a lucky shot. Even that is diminished in the rematch because Floyd is familiar with him. This fight will be a shut out.

As for the fouling, I don't have any problem with a trainer telling his guy to rough house a little. Telling him to continuously cheat or having intent to injure is a big no no. But rough housing, while technically illegal, is a way to get in a guy's head and completely put him off his game.

Besides, the only negative result from Maidana's low blows on Mayweather was that Brut got some bruising on the back of his head.

[Ian1973]

I expect Floyd to win easily. Maidana isn't the best. He reminds me of Kiko Martinez, he's a hard, hard man that will come to brawl and never take a backwards step but he is limited as a boxer. Frampton took Martinez apart and i expect Mayweather to do the same with Maidana especially as he has the experience of the first fight to draw upon. I'll be surprised if Maidana wins a round.

[Ezzard]

Easy win. The first fight should have been but Maidana totally went for it and Floyd had been used to being able to dictate the pace. I expect a stoppage victory for Floyd this time. Maidana should gain more fans as he makes a fight of it while he can.

[Pureist]

I think this fight will be similar to the first, floyd only took control once maidana punched himself out, to win the fight maidana would have to increase his fitness significantly, floyd will be trying to pick off maidana on his way in this time or he will be on his bike for the first 4/5 rounds. maidanas unorthodox style makes him very hard to deal with once he pins you to the ropes, can't see much changing from the 1st fight

[Chepppaaa]

what i wish 8) ko win for maidana

what will realisticly happen move, run, , move , run, move run, hide behind defence, , move , run, move run, ud for floyd and fans are bored

[crusader]

I'll be surprised if Maidana wins a round.

Even though he won several rounds a few months ago and everyone who has faced Floyd over the last 8 years except probably Ortiz (I don't know what the scores were) won at least a round?

I think there's a good chance you'll be surprised. I imagine that Maidana will be aggressive enough and Floyd will be passive enough at some point--probably in the early rounds-- for the former to bank at least a round, though I'm still expecting a dominant 10-2/9-3 type of win for Mayweaterh.

[drunkenpiper36]

Like the rest I'll go with Floyd to win it again. But I'm not convinced that he'll do a "number" on Maidana as some have suggested. He certainly can't claim to have done that the last time and now he's that much closer to 38 years of age going in with a guy who gave him fits before and wants that win just as badly.

[crusader]

I expect a stoppage victory for Floyd this time. .

One of those vicious, Gatti-style beatdowns?

There may be a stoppage, but I suspect that Floyd wins on points.

[drunkenpiper36]

I expect a stoppage victory for Floyd this time. .

One of those vicious, Gatti-style beatdowns?

There may be a stoppage, but I suspect that Floyd wins on points.

Yeah I doubt he's stopping Maidana. Dude is pretty tough and Floyd hasn't been putting many guys to sleep in recent years.

[IKSRTFO]

I expect a stoppage victory for Floyd this time. .

One of those vicious, Gatti-style beatdowns?

There may be a stoppage, but I suspect that Floyd wins on points.

Floyd hasn't dished out a Gatti style beatdown since he beat....Gatti.

[BoxingClinic2]

Floyd should win this fight in the same manner he won the last one, I'd say 8-4. Also there is 0 chance floyd stops maidana, not because he couldn't but he chooses not to due to safety first and no one ever putting him in the position that he NEEDED a KO (though maidana is pretty tough i dont see floyd stopping him in any stage of his career).

On another note i do find it funny how a lot of people say the rematch is not needed but if you go back to the RNR thread A LOT of people had maidana winning or it was a draw.. i think floyd is damned if he does damned if he doesnt... but thats his bad for being a piece of work outside the ring.

P.S. IMO Floyd won the first fight clearly.

[Badhusker]

yeah, floyd never cheats

but maidana is a cheater, blah blah blah

if you had the fight 9-3- not only give up on boxing, give up on life

Sorry dumb fornicate, but I didn't count the punches that Maidana missed, like morons like you did. At least a couple of guys agree with my scores of 8-4 or 9-3 - Andre Ward and Virgil Hunter. I don't mind being in the minority the way I scored it, but do think my opinion is as good as anyone's'.

If the ref doesn't get control of this fight early, we may see an end to it similarly like the Ortiz fight. Many thought what Ortiz did was ok to do (lunge at Floyd with his head trying to break his nose or worse), but I thought Ortiz should have been DQ'd right then and there. Floyd should have retaliated right then and there, but didn't. Floyd does put his elbow out there and forearm to create space, but does not throw it with intent to cause injury, like Ortiz and Maidana did with their crap.

How about this: Maidana traps Floyd on the ropes, head butts him, gives him a couple of low blows and rabbit punches, and Floyd counters with a Jon Jones type vicious elbow that opens Maidana's face up. Who gets the point deduction? Or, do we say settle down boys and don't use those rough house tactics via a warning? If all you have to even the playing field is illegal tactics, its pretty sad. I honestly hope Floyd does something like that to counter Maidana's illegal tactics if that is the crap that is allowed. A double leg take-down? Seriously? Arm twisting? Knees? Rabbit punches? Multiple low blows? This is not acceptable in boxing.

[Pureist]

yeah, floyd never cheats

but maidana is a cheater, blah blah blah

if you had the fight 9-3- not only give up on boxing, give up on life

Sorry dumb eff, but I didn't count the punches that Maidana missed, like morons like you did. At least a couple of guys agree with my scores of 8-4 or 9-3 - Andre Ward and Virgil Hunter. I don't mind being in the minority the way I scored it, but do think my opinion is as good as anyone's'.

If the ref doesn't get control of this fight early, we may see an end to it similarly like the Ortiz fight. Many thought what Ortiz did was ok to do (lunge at Floyd with his head trying to break his nose or worse), but I thought Ortiz should have been DQ'd right then and there. Floyd should have retaliated right then and there, but didn't. Floyd does put his elbow out there and forearm to create space, but does not throw it with intent to cause injury, like Ortiz and Maidana did with their crap.

How about this: Maidana traps Floyd on the ropes, head butts him, gives him a couple of low blows and rabbit punches, and Floyd counters with a Jon Jones type vicious elbow that opens Maidana's face up. Who gets the point deduction? Or, do we say settle down boys and don't use those rough house tactics via a warning? If all you have to even the playing field is illegal tactics, its pretty sad. I honestly hope Floyd does something like that to counter Maidana's illegal tactics if that is the crap that is allowed. A double leg take-down? Seriously? Arm twisting? Knees? Rabbit punches? Multiple low blows? This is not acceptable in boxing.

I agree with you 8-4 but if floyd is going to try and tie maidana up and maidana has a free hand, well bad luck for floyd, the ref should be warning floyd for holding, floyd has always used his forearms and elbows to fend opponents off with little attention from the ref, very wrong, if a ref is going to pin one fighter for fouls, he has to be fair and pin the other if there is reason too, something that refs don't usually do when in control of a mayweather bout

[Badhusker]

yeah, floyd never cheats

but maidana is a cheater, blah blah blah

if you had the fight 9-3- not only give up on boxing, give up on life

Sorry dumb eff, but I didn't count the punches that Maidana missed, like morons like you did. At least a couple of guys agree with my scores of 8-4 or 9-3 - Andre Ward and Virgil Hunter. I don't mind being in the minority the way I scored it, but do think my opinion is as good as anyone's'.

If the ref doesn't get control of this fight early, we may see an end to it similarly like the Ortiz fight. Many thought what Ortiz did was ok to do (lunge at Floyd with his head trying to break his nose or worse), but I thought Ortiz should have been DQ'd right then and there. Floyd should have retaliated right then and there, but didn't. Floyd does put his elbow out there and forearm to create space, but does not throw it with intent to cause injury, like Ortiz and Maidana did with their crap.

How about this: Maidana traps Floyd on the ropes, head butts him, gives him a couple of low blows and rabbit punches, and Floyd counters with a Jon Jones type vicious elbow that opens Maidana's face up. Who gets the point deduction? Or, do we say settle down boys and don't use those rough house tactics via a warning? If all you have to even the playing field is illegal tactics, its pretty sad. I honestly hope Floyd does something like that to counter Maidana's illegal tactics if that is the crap that is allowed. A double leg take-down? Seriously? Arm twisting? Knees? Rabbit punches? Multiple low blows? This is not acceptable in boxing.

I agree with you 8-4 but if floyd is going to try and tie maidana up and maidana has a free hand, well bad luck for floyd, the ref should be warning floyd for holding, floyd has always used his forearms and elbows to fend opponents off with little attention from the ref, very wrong, if a ref is going to pin one fighter for fouls, he has to be fair and pin the other if there is reason too, something that refs don't usually do when in control of a mayweather bout

I honestly hope the ref does force the fight to be clean, including Floyd's elbows and forearms. There are other ways to get out of clinches or being trapped against the ropes, like he showed in the Guerrero fight. Lateral movement, ducking out, countering after he ducks out, and making him pay when he comes in...followed by lateral movement to stay off the ropes. Maidana prevented some of that by locking his arm and twisting a couple of times, using his head as a third punch, double leg takedowns, rabbit punches, etc. Floyd has to let his hands go big time with combinations, and go to the body early, imo. If he does, the fight might end earlier than most think. Both Khan and Lopez hurt Maidana to the body, and Floyd needs to exploit that weakness.

I know it is a tough sport, and some rough stuff comes with it, but what Maidana did was over the top, and needs to be stopped. Maidana needs the illegal stuff to stay even remotely close, and that is why Garcia is encouraging him to do it even more this fight. Weeks should hang his head in shame the way he reffed the last fight.

[scallum]

I'm rooting against Floyd for the first time ever. He is a super jerk. He likely schools Maidana again bit ill be wishing for Maidana to get that ko

[NateJR]

I personally think Madaina is most similar to a guy like Mayorga. It's not that he's good at anything he's just so damn awkward and crude. I think Madaina is as good as Mayorga ever was and even though Mayorga lost to pretty much every class opponent he ever face (short of Vernon Forrest and shot to bits Fernando Vargas), no one ever had a easy night with him. Even before DLH knocked his block off and Trinidad took him to PR boxing school, he was rough and awkward for both of those guys. At the end of the day Madaina is still a world class fighter, he's much younger than Floyd, in the prime of his career and seems to be as hungry as ever. Where as Floyd is a year out of retirement, been there done that x10 and he's at the age where father time could catch up with him at anytime.

People act as if Madaina isn't a experienced fighter, Madiana has always been in with tough opponents and fought some of the best opponents in all of the respectable weight-classes he's fought in. It's not like Madiana is a second tier fighter, he's always been a top fighter in every division he's been in. And to be fair to Madaina, the only fight he really looked extremely poor in was against Alexander and there are legitimate reasons he lost that fight, he didn't have the hunger. Preparation, hunger and a lot of other things make Madaina a much better and much more dangerous opponent than he was when he lost to Alexander.

[dempseyfire]

I expect Floyd to win easily. Maidana isn't the best. He reminds me of Kiko Martinez, he's a hard, hard man that will come to brawl and never take a backwards step but he is limited as a boxer. Frampton took Martinez apart and i expect Mayweather to do the same with Maidana especially as he has the experience of the first fight to draw upon. I'll be surprised if Maidana wins a round.

Actually think Martinez has much more solid skills than Maidana.

[dempseyfire]

I personally think Madaina is most similar to a guy like Mayorga. It's not that he's good at anything he's just so damn awkward and crude. I think Madaina is as good as Mayorga ever was and even though Mayorga lost to pretty much every class opponent he ever face (short of Vernon Forrest and shot to bits Fernando Vargas), no one ever had a easy night with him. Even before DLH knocked his block off and Trinidad took him to PR boxing school, he was rough and awkward for both of those guys. At the end of the day Madaina is still a world class fighter, he's much younger than Floyd, in the prime of his career and seems to be as hungry as ever. Where as Floyd is a year out of retirement, been there done that x10 and he's at the age where father time could catch up with him at anytime.

People act as if Madaina isn't a experienced fighter, Madiana has always been in with tough opponents and fought some of the best opponents in all of the respectable weight-classes he's fought in. It's not like Madiana is a second tier fighter, he's always been a top fighter in every division he's been in. And to be fair to Madaina, the only fight he really looked extremely poor in was against Alexander and there are legitimate reasons he lost that fight, he didn't have the hunger. Preparation, hunger and a lot of other things make Madaina a much better and much more dangerous opponent than he was when he lost to Alexander.

Good point. Although I think Mayorga had faster hands, both guys built their careers off of upset knockouts but were/aren't the one-shot hitters people make them out to be. Both are strong but it's hard to knock out elite fighters throwing such wide punches.

[Impractical Poster]

I personally think Madaina is most similar to a guy like Mayorga. It's not that he's good at anything he's just so damn awkward and crude. I think Madaina is as good as Mayorga ever was and even though Mayorga lost to pretty much every class opponent he ever face (short of Vernon Forrest and shot to bits Fernando Vargas), no one ever had a easy night with him. Even before DLH knocked his block off and Trinidad took him to PR boxing school, he was rough and awkward for both of those guys. At the end of the day Madaina is still a world class fighter, he's much younger than Floyd, in the prime of his career and seems to be as hungry as ever. Where as Floyd is a year out of retirement, been there done that x10 and he's at the age where father time could catch up with him at anytime.

People act as if Madaina isn't a experienced fighter, Madiana has always been in with tough opponents and fought some of the best opponents in all of the respectable weight-classes he's fought in. It's not like Madiana is a second tier fighter, he's always been a top fighter in every division he's been in. And to be fair to Madaina, the only fight he really looked extremely poor in was against Alexander and there are legitimate reasons he lost that fight, he didn't have the hunger. Preparation, hunger and a lot of other things make Madaina a much better and much more dangerous opponent than he was when he lost to Alexander.

Good point. Although I think Mayorga had faster hands, both guys built their careers off of upset knockouts but were/aren't the one-shot hitters people make them out to be. Both are strong but it's hard to knock out elite fighters throwing such wide punches.

I believe Maidana is better skilled than you all are giving him credit for. He is known for his toughness and power. But the guy has a fantastic jab and solid skills.

[Lackeos]

Mayweather scored some legit stoppages back in 2005.

[NateJR]

I personally think Madaina is most similar to a guy like Mayorga. It's not that he's good at anything he's just so damn awkward and crude. I think Madaina is as good as Mayorga ever was and even though Mayorga lost to pretty much every class opponent he ever face (short of Vernon Forrest and shot to bits Fernando Vargas), no one ever had a easy night with him. Even before DLH knocked his block off and Trinidad took him to PR boxing school, he was rough and awkward for both of those guys. At the end of the day Madaina is still a world class fighter, he's much younger than Floyd, in the prime of his career and seems to be as hungry as ever. Where as Floyd is a year out of retirement, been there done that x10 and he's at the age where father time could catch up with him at anytime.

People act as if Madaina isn't a experienced fighter, Madiana has always been in with tough opponents and fought some of the best opponents in all of the respectable weight-classes he's fought in. It's not like Madiana is a second tier fighter, he's always been a top fighter in every division he's been in. And to be fair to Madaina, the only fight he really looked extremely poor in was against Alexander and there are legitimate reasons he lost that fight, he didn't have the hunger. Preparation, hunger and a lot of other things make Madaina a much better and much more dangerous opponent than he was when he lost to Alexander.

Good point. Although I think Mayorga had faster hands, both guys built their careers off of upset knockouts but were/aren't the one-shot hitters people make them out to be. Both are strong but it's hard to knock out elite fighters throwing such wide punches.

I believe Maidana is better skilled than you all are giving him credit for. He is known for his toughness and power. But the guy has a fantastic jab and solid skills.

I agree with that actually, he's more technically sound than people give him credit for (more technical than Mayorga for sure). But his awkward and crude style is what makes him such a difficult opponent. I mean if Madaina stood in the center of the ring against Floyd and didn't apply all that pressure and throw so many unorthodox looping shots, he would have a hard time making a fight with Floyd competitive. If you watch the Alexander/Madaina fight, Madaina did not apply that kind of pressure and didn't act like he was there to win.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Same fight, same margin. Floyd isn't going to somehow 'do better'.

[NateJR]

Same fight, same margin. Floyd isn't going to somehow 'do better'.

I don't agree with that either. It depends on the referee and what the ref allows to fly. If the ref. is strict and doesn't allow all the rough tactics on the inside like Weeks did in the first fight, this fight could be much less competitive. I think Madaina can find a way to still be aggressive with out all the illegal blows and still make the fight competitive, but I'm not so sure Madaina can do any better than he did the first fight (aside from clipping Floyd with a big shot and getting a KO), but I think Floyd could do much better, especially at staying off the ropes.