Bayless beat Maidana more than Floyd

[Clint Magnum]

"Pussyboxing"?
What I saw was an educated performance of pugilism. A fighter who faced an extremely raw, aggressive and strong opponent and nullified and counter punched him to victory.
Scrappy fight and the outcome was as expected. I didn't particularly want to see the rematch as the first fight was not in doubt for me.
Mayweather boxing on the back foot and not constantly looking for a KO does not make for a bad fighter IMO. Showed some lovely reflexes & counters against a very strong & determined opponent.

[Chepppaaa]

pb all day.....having all advantages on your side and still wining about bites etc, hen you tried to prevent your opponent from breathing by having your glove on his mouth. now thats pussy. litle b he is. lucky. only 1 year of his bs and than he'll be gone. finaly.

[Pureist]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

[G.McClellan]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

Agreed.

Floyd is so bad now he has to use spoiling tactics and a ref who will protect him from inside fighting. I thought the ref was bad in their first fight, but this is a whole new level. Props to Malignaggi for highlighting the Mayweather clinching and Bayless' refusal to stop it.

[Badhusker]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

Agreed.

Floyd is so bad now he has to use spoiling tactics and a ref who will protect him from inside fighting. I thought the ref was bad in their first fight, but this is a whole new level. Props to Malignaggi for highlighting the Mayweather clinching and Bayless' refusal to stop it.

If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?

[G.McClellan]

If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?

Are you trying to say excessive holding doesn't result in a warning and further penalties?

[ReggieDiggs]

If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?

Are you trying to say excessive holding doesn't result in a warning and further penalties?

Not often enough. Personally I don't like any holding & to me it makes fights & boxing less enjoyable, but its not something any ref is super on top of like I'd wanna see. I'd like to see it banned 100% & only slightly less noted as a dick punch. I also think points should be taken when guys hold when injured or fresh from a knockdown too.

Floyd's strat last night I've seen before though when a successful inside fighter gets close & honestly I don't see a problem with it. Based on the rules as they are or @ least how they are enforced you kinda need two guys to agree they wanna fight inside or one guy can just wrap you up when you are close to get you guys broken up. Thats basically all Floyd did, Floyd just didnt agree to an inside fight for very long stretches & hardly did @ all during the fight.

The ref was imho a lil quick to break things up, but its not like we don't see that from time to time to when its a frequent occurrence like during this fight. The vote was in, Floyd wasn't going to be inside fighting so the ref noticing this after a point just went to break sh!t up to keep it moving a lil too soon sometimes.

[Badhusker]

Pussyboxing?

[Pureist]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

Agreed.

Floyd is so bad now he has to use spoiling tactics and a ref who will protect him from inside fighting. I thought the ref was bad in their first fight, but this is a whole new level. Props to Malignaggi for highlighting the Mayweather clinching and Bayless' refusal to stop it.

If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?

You can't be seriously asking that question, I've seen DQ from holding, YES it's not allowed

[Chepppaaa]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

exactly.

[Chepppaaa]

Floyd is so bad now he has to use spoiling tactics and a ref who will protect him from inside fighting. I thought the ref was bad in their first fight, but this is a whole new level. Props to Malignaggi for highlighting the Mayweather clinching and Bayless' refusal to stop it.[/quote]


If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?[/quote]
You can't be seriously asking that question, I've seen DQ from holding, YES it's not allowed[/quote]

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Marquess of Queensberry Rules

2. No wrestling or hugging allowed.

floyd was hugging maidana as soon as maidana came close to him, same tactic klitschko uses. it is illegal by the rules of queensberry, which are a code in boxing.

also floyd was wrestling while holding and often using his elbows, which again is illegal.

the ref should have warned and than deduct a point, as simple as that.

[kidbazooka1]

There's no doubt about it that Bayless was either talked to by Floyds ppl before the fight or was just flat out biased towards Floyd.

Either way one of the most obvious shitty jobs done by a ref in recent yrs.

[Pureist]

Talked to, paid, told he would never get a gig again, either, all, very one sided whatever the driving force was, a disgrace, a ripoff, people bet on fights, it should be investigated

[Chepppaaa]

Talked to, paid, told he would never get a gig again, either, all, very one sided whatever the driving force was, a disgrace, a ripoff, people bet on fights, it should be investigated

exactly. under those circumstances floyd should never get a fight again, if it is 100 % true that him or haymon paid or talked to or forced haymon to dont let maidana infight, basicly taking the best weapons, the inside body hooks from maidana.

thats criminal.....imagine, dallas cowboays owner going to a ref and paying him money to let some foul plays be no foul. simply criminal.

[uptconnect]

Marquess of Queensberry Rules

I love how people cite or ignore these rules only when it suits them regarding specific instances and fighters.
Kudos.

In his career, Maidana has broken more of these rules more often than probably 70-80% of all top level fighters.
But that's neither here, nor there, right?


Floyd held excessively and the ref was quick to separate them, and that helped Floyd.
Obviously.
But the level of your rage about it is hilarious.

[Calamity James]

There are a lot of bitter and twisted Mayweather haters in this thread. I honestly don’t understand the reasoning for the severity of all the comments I’ve been reading.

There seems to be a lot of unfounded accusations, which surprises me a little!

Agreed. Some of the comments beggars belief.. No need to be throwing all the toys out of the pram. Amazing that one boxer can piss off some people so much that all logic goes out the window!!

[Chepppaaa]

There are a lot of bitter and twisted Mayweather haters in this thread. I honestly don’t understand the reasoning for the severity of all the comments I’ve been reading.

There seems to be a lot of unfounded accusations, which surprises me a little!

Agreed. Some of the comments beggars belief.. No need to be throwing all the toys out of the pram. Amazing that one boxer can piss off some people so much that all logic goes out the window!!

totaly logic

[Badhusker]

To those of you that think Bayless was Paid Off:

Why didn't you think Weeks was paid off too, when he let Maidana do multiple illegal tactics during the first fight?

Are all of you guys retarded, or just blinded by hate for Mayweather?

[Chepppaaa]

To those of you that think Bayless was Paid Off:

Why didn't you think Weeks was paid off too, when he let Maidana do multiple illegal tactics during the first fight?

Are all of you guys retarded, or just blinded by hate for Mayweather?

weeks let maidana his infight chances and maidana landed good ones. and maidana and floyd are even in illegal tactics. both didnt do much illegal tactics, maidana was going to the body and seeking his chances with looping hooks to the side of the head, it is not illegal, if floyd turns his head and gets punched behind the head than it is his own fault, it is illegal to turn the back to your opponent or turn the head.

and floyd with his usual elbow style was illegal too, but like i said, both werent very illegal, it was a fair fight, a close fight.

[asa-tor]

Ask yourself a few questions, in the first fight did floyd hold? Yes, so the ref let maidana tee off on floyd with his free hand,acceptable since floyd was holding, trying to restrict maidana from fighting his style, this fight was floyd holding, yes more than ever, was he warned, no, was he deducted any points, no, should he have been warned and penalised, yes, is holding acceptable, no, did bayliss restrict maidana from fighting his inside pressure style, yes, can you fight inside within the rules, yes, has bayliss changed the rules of boxing for this bout to mayweathers advantage, yes. Quite logical really, maidana was set up to lose before this bout even started

Agreed.

Floyd is so bad now he has to use spoiling tactics and a ref who will protect him from inside fighting. I thought the ref was bad in their first fight, but this is a whole new level. Props to Malignaggi for highlighting the Mayweather clinching and Bayless' refusal to stop it.

If you can show me where initiating a clinch is illegal, I will agree. You make it sound like this is a new and illegal tactic in boxing.....or has it been illegal all along? If so why are 95% of boxers penalized for this? Are all the ref's paid off?

The scorecards should reflect that clinching leads to a point deduction. If a fighter is excessively grabbing the judges should be scoring against it as well as the ref deducting points eventually

[Badhusker]

To those of you that think Bayless was Paid Off:

Why didn't you think Weeks was paid off too, when he let Maidana do multiple illegal tactics during the first fight?

Are all of you guys retarded, or just blinded by hate for Mayweather?

weeks let maidana his infight chances and maidana landed good ones. and maidana and floyd are even in illegal tactics. both didnt do much illegal tactics, maidana was going to the body and seeking his chances with looping hooks to the side of the head, it is not illegal, if floyd turns his head and gets punched behind the head than it is his own fault, it is illegal to turn the back to your opponent or turn the head.

and floyd with his usual elbow style was illegal too, but like i said, both werent very illegal, it was a fair fight, a close fight.

You are beyond delusional. Floyd pushed with his elbow and forearm to create space, and didn't throw it to hurt Maidna. If he would have it still wouldn't have been even. Did you see any low blows, arm twisting, double leg takedown, rabbit punches, knee, head butts from Maidana in the first fight? I might as well be talking to a stump though. Carry on.

[Chepppaaa]

To those of you that think Bayless was Paid Off:

Why didn't you think Weeks was paid off too, when he let Maidana do multiple illegal tactics during the first fight?

Are all of you guys retarded, or just blinded by hate for Mayweather?

weeks let maidana his infight chances and maidana landed good ones. and maidana and floyd are even in illegal tactics. both didnt do much illegal tactics, maidana was going to the body and seeking his chances with looping hooks to the side of the head, it is not illegal, if floyd turns his head and gets punched behind the head than it is his own fault, it is illegal to turn the back to your opponent or turn the head.

and floyd with his usual elbow style was illegal too, but like i said, both werent very illegal, it was a fair fight, a close fight.

You are beyond delusional. Floyd pushed with his elbow and forearm to create space, and didn't throw it to hurt Maidna. If he would have it still wouldn't have been even. Did you see any low blows, arm twisting, double leg takedown, rabbit punches, knee, head butts from Maidana in the first fight? I might as well be talking to a stump though. Carry on.

he hugged and holded maidana and than than creates space with his elbows hahahaha......you delusional

hugging is illegal and floyd did it 100 times.

and than he puts his glove to maidana mouth, to prevent him from breathing.

no, i did not see any of those from maidana.

[Pureist]

To those of you that think Bayless was Paid Off:

Why didn't you think Weeks was paid off too, when he let Maidana do multiple illegal tactics during the first fight?

Are all of you guys retarded, or just blinded by hate for Mayweather?

weeks let maidana his infight chances and maidana landed good ones. and maidana and floyd are even in illegal tactics. both didnt do much illegal tactics, maidana was going to the body and seeking his chances with looping hooks to the side of the head, it is not illegal, if floyd turns his head and gets punched behind the head than it is his own fault, it is illegal to turn the back to your opponent or turn the head.

and floyd with his usual elbow style was illegal too, but like i said, both werent very illegal, it was a fair fight, a close fight.

You are beyond delusional. Floyd pushed with his elbow and forearm to create space, and didn't throw it to hurt Maidna. If he would have it still wouldn't have been even. Did you see any low blows, arm twisting, double leg takedown, rabbit punches, knee, head butts from Maidana in the first fight? I might as well be talking to a stump though. Carry on.

Floyd pushing with his elbows and holding, what do you think that adds up to, the really funny thing is that in the 3rd round maidana actually held mayweather and bayliss tried to slap maidanas arm away from mayweather and make him fight on, that was the only time in the fight maidana held and the only time in the fight bayliss tried to get them to fight out of a clinch, what's the chances of that eh

[scallum]

Still haven't watched full fight, who landed the cleaner shots?

[uptconnect]

I just read an interview with Floyd saying Ellerbe has now been shitcanned for making power moves without Floyd's knowledge and also that Rafael Garcia quit the camp because Floyd had someone else ("Do it all Bob?") wrap his hands.

Trouble in paradise.