German Boxing is a disgrace

[Freedom]

Paul Smith loses to Arthur Abraham 117-111 117-111 119-109 ? Disgraceful scoring by the judges. Brilliant effort by Paul Smith.

[Butterbean]

Paul Smith loses to Arthur Abraham 117-111 117-111 119-109 ? Disgraceful scoring by the judges. Brilliant effort by Paul Smith.

you thought paul won ?

[crusader]

115-113 AA

Cards were too wide but it wasn't a robber imo. The British commentary was predictably very pro-Smith and swooned over virtually every burst he had.

[Freedom]

draw or split decision either way. That scoring is off the wall, stinks of a fix

[crusader]

I agree the cards were much too wide and 119-109 is up there with the worst I've seen.

[Butterbean]

the brit did good, but so did aa. didnt see one clear round for the englishman, allthough amost rounds were close. the scores in boxing sometimes distort the impression of the fight. 118-112 for me. first and last round. but could as well be 120-110 imo. but competetive fight at least.

[crusader]

the brit did good, but so did aa. didnt see one clear round for the englishman, allthough amost rounds were close. the scores in boxing sometimes distort the impression of the fight. 118-112 for me. first and last round. but could as well be 120-110 imo. but competetive fight at least.

I thought Smith won some clearly in the mid-late portions of the fight, as AA really shut down. However, I generally thought that AA was more accurate, landing more, and landing a bit more cleanly even though he was often outworked. Loads of Smith's shots were hitting gloves and I think that created an impression to some that he was doing better than he was.

[Butterbean]

exactly. it looked and sounded good, but it all landed in aa´s guard.

[sucracristo]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad. what is the basis for scoring so many rounds
for aa? what did he do? i can understand someone saying smith wasn't all the effective
bla bla, but relative to abhraham? abraham wasn't even throwing much most rounds
so how can aa be effective not throwing? at least smith was the one attacking and throwing
and landing more in most of the rounds.

[Ally-M1]

119-109 is an utter disgrace. No excuse or reason can be made for that. It was 115-113 at the widest to AA.

[crusader]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad.

I respect that you explained your scores briefly but I can't see how the 4th was anything but an Abraham round or how the 12th was close.

[sucracristo]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad.

I respect that you explained your scores briefly but I can't see how the 4th was anything but an Abraham round or how the 12th was close.

i explained why. aa threw a few flurries with a couple hard shots mixed in but they didn't
bother smith and smith outworked aa. smith threw and landed a lot more and was the one
coming forward. i gave aa the 3rd and 5th, though, which were clear aa rounds.
and i gave aa the 12th, but it was not a one sided round

[Freedom2013]

I scored it 115-113 for Abraham, although I was rooting for Smith.

The scorecards were too wide, but it wasn't a robbery. The British commentary was rather biased, they wanted Smith to pull the upset.

[vovazilvova]

the reason why it looks not fair because the fight was very close rounds were very close but it don't matter how close the round is if you win 10 rounds by a couple of power punches you still win and the scores will still be 118-110, there was many rounds that could go either way,

I had it 116-112 for Arthur Abraham. for as long as the right guy wins its not a robbery, therefor Paul Smith was not robbed today, Arthur Abraham got a deserved victory.

[crusader]

I agree with Graham Houston's sentiments.

https://twitter.com/fightwriterone

Me: Abraham 116-112. Judges' scores a tad wide, but the winner won as we used to say in London.

Watched on Russian TV. Better than Sky, for me -- an unemotional commentary that I can't understand! (No risk of being misled.

Too many people misled by over-the-top commentary. Don Dunphy was 'vanilla' by today's standards but didn't lead viewers astray.

[Bobbyptsd]

I had Abraham winning 7-5, and I felt that there were a couple of rounds in particular that that Smigga just nicked, they could have gone the other way. I really wanted to be as impartial as possible and put down the headphones so I wouldn't hear the Sky commentating(I'm not British, but I am human, and can be influenced by a cheer leading section)

9-3 or 10-2 AA I can see, 7 and 10 point swings seem a bit wide to me. But as Butterbean has elaborated on, views can get distorted over the course of a boxing match, which as we should all well know, is really 12 mini-matches.

"Disgrace" is getting reactionary and lacks nuance. In other words, par for the course on Boxrec.

EDIT: I just wanted to point out that yes, I'm aware I said "10-2 AA I can see" and went on to say that a 7 point swing seems wide. I'm not going to fix it, as a reminder to myself to proofread better, lest I appear foolish as demonstrated above. Regardless, it doesn't really change the overall point.

[crusader]

Poll

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=185302

[Lennox]

116-112 for AA. PS won a few close rounds, no boxer really dominated any round. I had AA a good winner of rd12, others here saw for PS. I could not understand what Jim Watt thought he saw. Watch it with the sound off and count the punches. I don't know how sucrasito can score 8 rounds for Paul Smith.

[Bobbyptsd]

I have to agree with Dan Rafael’s sentiments when he stated that the scorecards made him vomit!

The fight could have gone either way, but the judges’ scorecards seemed to be wholly unreasonable.

I disagree, and would like to add that I want to be nowhere in any kind of vicinity when Rafael vomits.

Nightmares of being carried away on a disgusting ocean are conjured.

[ikorolev]

Scorecards by the British "expert" showed on TV were laughable. He even managed to give round 2 to Smith when it was clearly won by Abraham.

Yes, scores were too wide, but so would they be if a British champ was defending in U.K., American champ defending in the U.S., Russian champ defending in Russia, etc.

[magwitch]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad. what is the basis for scoring so many rounds
for aa? what did he do? i can understand someone saying smith wasn't all the effective
bla bla, but relative to abhraham? abraham wasn't even throwing much most rounds
so how can aa be effective not throwing? at least smith was the one attacking and throwing
and landing more in most of the rounds.

i agree, someone said above that most of Smith's shots were being blocked or landing on Abrahams's gloves....so what? What was Abraham doing that was better than attacking the other guy and forcing him to catch punches on his gloves?

[Bobbyptsd]

You guys must have missed all the parts where Abraham landed hard shots.

It's a shame, they were the "Fightiest" actual parts of the fight.

[crusader]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad. what is the basis for scoring so many rounds
for aa? what did he do? i can understand someone saying smith wasn't all the effective
bla bla, but relative to abhraham? abraham wasn't even throwing much most rounds
so how can aa be effective not throwing? at least smith was the one attacking and throwing
and landing more in most of the rounds.

i agree, someone said above that most of Smith's shots were being blocked or landing on Abrahams's gloves....so what? What was Abraham doing that was better than attacking the other guy and forcing him to catch punches on his gloves?

Which post is that?

If it is mine, all you have to do to see what I think AA was doing better is read the sentence before I mentioned Smith hitting gloves.

[crusader]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad.

I respect that you explained your scores briefly but I can't see how the 4th was anything but an Abraham round or how the 12th was close.

i explained why. aa threw a few flurries with a couple hard shots mixed in but they didn't
bother smith and smith outworked aa. smith threw and landed a lot more and was the one
coming forward. i gave aa the 3rd and 5th, though, which were clear aa rounds.
and i gave aa the 12th, but it was not a one sided round

You haven't accurately described the 4th or 12th at all in my view. Abraham was bouncing around and letting the combos flow throughout the 4th while Smith covered up, and he was regularly getting through Smith's guard with jabs. That was one of his most active rounds and I thought he outworked and definitely out landed Smith, who only offered occasional bursts that were overwhelmingly blocked. I'm not sure if anyone in the RBR thread but you gave that round to Smith and even the British commentators who were cheerleading him had it clearly for AA.

In the 12th Abraham was again letting the combos go and I thought he landed more often and effectively than Smith did. There seemed to be urgency in him and he unloaded on Smith several times with the latter looking ragged in my view. Smith's activity dropped in this round and I rarely saw him land or trouble AA. At the end of the fight the replays of this round showed AA land several solid punches, including a flush left hook which Smith failed to match, while one of the British commentators mentioned that AA hadn't fought enough of the round like he did the 12th. You gave this round to AA of course, but I can't see how it was 'pretty even'.

[Chepppaaa]

entertaining fight. AA won most of the rounds, some were close. but no way a robbery.