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"“We win by a foul!” cried Pinkey Mitchell's corner. But with only five seconds before the final bell Referee Davy Miller ruled it a technical knockout for Benny Leonard, and Richie Mitchell (Pinkey's brother) objected by punching Miller in the face.

“Like a flash, the hemped enclosure was dotted with humanity,” wrote The Milwaukee Journal’s Sam Levy in the next day’s edition. “True blue loyalists of the Mitchell boys leaped into the ring… The Miller faction did likewise. Policemen with swinging clubs followed. But this did not serve to halt the free for all… A half-hour passed and still the battling factions remained in the ring.”

Many of the society matrons fainted, and so must’ve officials of the West Side Boys Club when after the bills were paid all they got from the $25,000 in gate receipts was $25.

A May 31 Milwaukee Sentinel story reporting that thanks to the riot and controversy the Illinois boxing bill was dead alluded to rumors “that somebody cleaned up big on the Leonard-Mitchell bout. Thousands of dollars were bet that Mitchell would not last 10 rounds.”

Pinkey maintained that referee Miller was in on the deal.

“We were in a clinch. Miller grabbed my left arm and broke me loose. He started to turn me away and as he did he permitted Leonard to step around behind and hit me on the chin. I did not have a chance to protect myself, my chin being wide open for the right hand punch that put me down.”

One of the many mysteries about the fight is why Davy Miller was referee in the first place. Davy and his brothers Hershie and Max were well-known Chicago gangsters, and on top of that Davy had a grudge against the Mitchells going back to August 9, 1919, when Richie fought Sailor Friedman in Benton Harbor, Michigan. Miller was Friedman’s manager then, and when the Sailor was knocked down at the end of the sixth round Miller tackled Mitchell in the ring and a riot commenced. Friedman was disqualified and he and Miller were barred from state rings for a year.

The death of boxing in Illinois was the biggest repercussion of the Pinkey-Benny fight, but maybe not the only one.

On October 11, 1923, Sailor Friedman was supposed to fight Pinkey for the junior welterweight championship at the Milwaukee Auditorium. But the night before, as the Sailor took a late stroll on a deserted downtown street, he was forced into a car at gunpoint and then punched, kicked and pistol-whipped and his unconscious body dumped in a gutter. No one was ever arrested.

“It is said that other Chicago boxers have been fighting shy of Milwaukee since,” noted the Associated Press on January 22, 1924. That was the day after Davy Miller was gut shot outside a Chicago theater. According to authorities, “the shooting was traceable to the Leonard-Mitchell fight.”

“Leave this one to me,” the critically wounded Davy told the cops when they asked who did it. The would-be assassin was rival gangster Dion O’Bannion, who was himself gunned down on November 10. The Millers all had alibis.

Pinkey Mitchell continued to be recognized as 140-pound champion despite his KO by Leonard because at the official weigh-in on the day of the fight Benny refused to get on the scale. Newspaper accounts say he went at least 145.

What Leonard thought about Mitchell’s championship was evinced at his victory party when a boy under the impression that Benny was now a double champion asked him, “What are you going to do with the junior welterweight title?”

With a smile and a bow Benny told the youngster, “I hereby present it to you.” "

(By Pete Ehrmann)


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Dec. 1959. World Welterweight Champion Don Jordan travels to Buenos Aires, Argentina for a non-title fight against Luis Federico Thompson. It was the beginning of the end for Jordan. He would lose by 4th round KO.

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"Jordan was a slum boy who grew up with a misguided admiration for mobsters, and he became an an acquaintance with the Los Angeles gangster, Mickey Cohen.

When abandoned by a former manager, Jordan was stranded in Mexico when Don Nesseth, a young fight manager outside the mob, picked him up. Nesseth bought his contract and negotiated Jordan to the championship. Instantly, Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo, boxing's most influential gangsters, tried to muscle in. When Nesseth resisted the muscle and told his story to the authorities, Jordan not only quit him but berated him for violating the mobster code of silence.

But Nesseth came out of one fight with checks totaling $90,000, his price for releasing Jordan from his contract. Jordan came out with a mere $2,000, a sum he extorted from Nesseth in his dressing room 20 minutes before the fight by threatening to refuse to enter the ring. Jordan's estranged wife had process servers busy trying to divert the $2,000 pittance to the care of their four children.

Mickey Cohen was at ringside, flanked by his girlfriend and Jordan's fiance. It was suggested that Cohen should give Jordan a job as it looked like he needed one."

(Martin Kane)

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frederico thompson died in 2010..

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"A few weeks before the return bout, he had dropped into Jack Dempsey's restaurant in New York to entertain a group of well-wishers with his prevision of the fight. He was seething at Durelle, who was saying absurd things about long counts and other vain tricks that, Durelle professed, cheated him of victory in their first fight. But Archie chose to speak of revenge only in parables. He recalled to his listeners Aesop's fable of the wolf and the lamb, in which the lamb sought with simple logic to establish that he was innocent of wrongdoing to the wolf and, therefore, should not be eaten.

"I was drinking in the stream," the wolf snarled, as Archie remembers the quotes, "and you muddied it."

"But you were drinking upstream," the lamb replied so shrewdly.

"Well, I'm about to eat you anyway," the wolf quipped back at him.

Archie pondered a moment and then made his pronouncement.

"It doesn't matter what Durelle says," he proclaimed. "I'll eat him anyway." "


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"I knocked on the bedroom door and a voice you associate with misty New York dockside rasped: ‘Friend or foe?’

‘Friend, I think.’

Inside there were blue whorls of cigar and cigarette smoke, a small crown of American lounge suits and a plump man in ragged trousers and short padding barefoot and swinging an arm as thick as your thigh.

‘… So I keep coming forward like this, left foot first, and I hit him a shot with the right, and I see his eyes roll up in his head and I give him the left to finish him…’

‘Rocky, you remind me of a skunk…!’ Somebody interrupting. I backed quickly for the door.

The Rock’s eyes widened below the stitch mark – one eye took thirteen stitches, seeing him through just one million dollar world title defence: ‘A skunk?’

‘The way you fought, Rocky, like a skunk with a farm dog and the dog keeps backing away because he knows what a punch that skunk packs in his tail!’

‘Right! Joe Louis couldn’t take my shot to the head – not even high on the head. I got to him with one high on the head and I see his eyes go “Great to meet ya!”’ The Rock comes for me. ‘Have a cup of coffee! You’re welcome!’ The Rock opens his fist and there’s a cup and saucer hidden in it.

The honesty in the round, hearty face is humiliating. I told the Rock we’re talking of banning boxing in Britain.

‘Right! Well, it’s got to come! It’s got to – in fifty, twenty-five years’ time – no, less than that – it’s got to come; as people get more civilized, they’re going to ban boxing.’

‘Rocco, my baby!’ A man lying full-length on a divan barks: ‘Whaddya sayin’…!’

‘I tell you it’s got to. They will outlaw boxing. A hundred years from now we’ll be like the gladiators, something out of history.’ The sad, gentle eyes. ‘There won’t be any boxers any more – aw, boxing’s just got to go. Less than twenty-five years, ten years or less than that maybe. In America they let fighters go on till one of them’s half-dead – Joe Louis couldn’t take a shot to the head any more.’

‘He couldn’t take one on the button, Rocky!’

‘He couldn’t take a punch anywhere on the head any more. Even high on the head. People say to me, “Rocky, you made me scream watching you fight, you looked like you’re going to get killed the way you keep coming forward taking all those punches on the chin…”’ The Rock shakes his head amusedly. ‘But I never did.’

He tucks the bristling chin into the protective shoulders. ‘I always had my chin down here. I never used to take any punches on the chin. Nobody can take punches on the chin.

‘Rocky, baby…’

‘Only time I left myself wide open was when they put wintergreen in my water bucket to try and stop me winning the world championship and my eyes stung so I had to lift my chin just to see and Walcott nailed me on the chin and nearly knocked me out.’

‘Crooks! Wintergreen they put in his water bucket!’

‘Talk about divine justice. The officials handling me in that fight, awhile after they all dropped dead.’ The Rock massaged his chin quickly.

Are there punch-drunk boxers in America? ‘Not many. Ezzard Charles. Oh, he’s banged up, oh God yes he is. After he met me.

‘Rocco, baby! He is not! Charles is not.’

‘Aw, yes. Aw, terrible, yes. He is.’ The Rock demonstrates with a press picture showing his victim’s face like a chocolate marshmallow crushed between the Rock’s fists.

‘Think! What kind of money Cassius Clay versus Rocky would take now! Rocky could take Clay right now!’

There is a famous story of the Rock’s pugilistic encounter in a wartime brawl in a British pub. ‘Right! That’s true. But if I get in trouble like that now I have to back away. Talk my way out of it. I have to … I never like to see people hurt. I was an old man when I won the world title – I was twenty-eight. That’s why Patterson can’t beat Clay! He’s an old man. He’s twenty-seven.’

The Rock’s finger’s play constantly with the poke of his English ratting cap on his head. Going bald has hurt the Rock more than anything could do in the ring. He wears the cap even indoors and, for public appearances, a well-made American hair-piece.

‘Over here in Britain boxing is so civilized anyway. They’d never let me become heavyweight champion of England – I bleed too easy. Sure there are fights that not quite right. But not the world heavy championship. There’s too many people like Norman Mailer – like you – watching us all the time.’

The eyes soften. ‘I don’t even go to the fights any more. Don’t like to see people getting hurt. I’m a bad fight referee even.’ The Rock admits it sadly. ‘I spoil the fights. Soon as one of the fellers starts bleeding a little even, I stop the fight. The crowd don’t like it. You hear the crowd yelling. Screaming. Go on! Let ‘em fight! Beat him to death, go on! That’s the really brutal part of the boxing. The crowd.

Outside I met a sports writer. ‘You saw Marciano – what’s he like? More animal than man, I suppose?’ "

(John Summers - 1965)


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Former World Lightweight Champion Battling Nelson pictured in 1911.

(enhanced photo courtesy of Classic Boxing Society contributor JTheron)

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In the fall of 1896 Wallace's circus came to town...by this time 14 year old nelson had changed his vocation to meat cutter, travelling with the circus was a pug meeting all comers. he was billed as the "world-renowned Unknown."...young nelson stepped up and promptly beat the circus champ in just one round...that was the start of his boxing career...his father forbade him ever to fight again. so young battling (a new title bestowed upon him for his fine efforts at the circus) left a note saying, "Coins away, ma, to seek my fortune" and hopped the first freight going north...by the time he was 18 he had 25 pro bouts, and his story contains typical scenarios like this....
"..early in his career: a strange bout with a crude battler named Young Scotty. Strange because everytime Nelson floored Scotty the electric lights would go out! The Bat was puzzled. Scotty's head had been slamming the floor with a jarring crunch. Was it possible, Nelson wondered, that the impacts were in some way disrupting the makeshift wiring? After six knockdowns - and six blackouts - it suddenly dawned on the Battler that he was being hoodwinked. By that time, however, Young Scotty had managed to last the eight-round route, robbing Bat of a well-deserved kayo victory."

..and the story of a fight with one Harry Fails, at a time when a lot of boxing shows were still illegal..

"They ran into their first trouble when the local sheriff threatened to arrest them. "Hey," one fan yelled after much futile planning, "how about going over to Rhinelander?" Rhinelander was just across the county line. On the morning of May 18, they set out for the new battle site. It was bitter cold and snowing hard. The fighters were offered a ride but chose to walk instead. As they slogged along, Nelson was worried. Not about the storm nor the bout. He had visions of some trigger-happy constable springing out of nowhere and hauling him off to jail. But even this dread possibility didn't faze him as much as the fact that the snow was ruining his $7 suit. Poor Bat loved that suit even more than the green trunks ("my lucky color") which he had bought for his third bout. The suit was part of a "swell-looking outfit" that included a $1 derby, a $1.50 pair of knickers "and the prettiest green necktie you ever saw in your life." Bat almost cried when he plucked at his sodden suit after stamping into the freezing old goat barn selected for the 10-round fight. The sports quickly chose the referee - a tall, lanky fellow. "How come they picked him?" Nelson asked. "Him?" someone replied. "'Cause his daddy owns this here barn." At the end of ten brutal rounds, both fighters were still fresh and raring to go. But the referee refused to let them continue and, hoisting their right hands, declared it a draw. If Nelson was apprehensive about money (there was no purse), he needn't have been. The sports were so satisfied with the action that they showered $300 in coin all over the wooden floor. There was a wild scramble as Nelson and Fails raced around picking up the money. Some of the coins had rolled into large cracks in the boards The boys made sure they didn't miss any by prying up the planks with a crowbar. Nelson felt like a millionaire with his half of the take - the largest he had ever received When he got back to town, he headed straight for a fancy clothing store. He stacked $12.50 in coins on the counter and told the clerk with a big grin, "Gimmie the best suit in the house!"

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doug.ie wrote:"He's going to find out it's no damn disco," he said. "I'll pressure him until he has to fight."

He did move, but not as much as expected. Mostly he stood in front of Toney, fending off attacks with a hard jab and jarring the challenger with combinations. For five rounds Nunn fought brilliantly.

Following the fifth, Toney told [trainer Bill] Miller, "He's tiring. I can hear him breathing like a freight train. I'm going to step up the pressure."

At the end of seven rounds Nunn was ahead by three points on one judge's card, by five on another and by seven on the third. "You're losing it, son. You're losing it," Miller told Toney. "You've got to press him even more."

"Don't worry about it," said Toney. "He's not going the distance."

Nunn appeared tired in the eighth. He tarried too long in front of Toney, who found him repeatedly with jolting right hands. "Jab and move," trainer Angelo Dundee screamed at Nunn from the corner. "Get out of there. Move!"

"He's not hurting me," Nunn replied.

A minute into the 11th round of the scheduled 12-rounder, Toney missed with five hard punches. The last swing carried him face first across the ropes. Undaunted, he turned and hit Nunn with a right to the head. Nunn moved away, shaken. A little later the champion dropped his hands. He never saw the left hook that snapped his head violently sideways and put him on his back. A collective moan swept through the stadium. The last train was leaving town, and Toney wasn't on it.

Rising unsteadily at the count of nine, Nunn said to referee Denny Nelson, "I'm all right." He said it twice. He was wrong both times.

Only pure courage kept him on his feet. Like a Doberman chasing raw meat, Toney charged. A right uppercut turned Nunn around, and a looping right to the back of the neck draped him across the ropes. As Nunn turned toward the ring, two right hands to the head dropped him to his knees. Nelson stopped the fight as a white towel flew into the ring from Nunn's corner.

(by Pat Putnam)

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May 10, 1991 - IBF Middleweight Title - (6th defense by Nunn)
James Toney was ranked fifth at middleweight by the IBF.
Michael Nunn was a 20-1 favorite.
Nunn's purse was $500,000 and Toney's was $65,000.


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That's Prince Charles Williams going down, not Michael Nunn.
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Who would win....Jack Dempsey vs Joe Louis ?...well, this blow by blow radio broadcast of this fantasy fight gives one account of how it would go.
In 1967, a Miami promoter, Murray Woroner wanted to simulate a tournament (by means of a supercomputer). This tournment would have the greatest heavyweight boxers in history, fighting for the All-Time World Heavyweight Championship in fantasy fights, complete with build-up's, interviews, blow-by-blow commentary of the battles with crowd noise to complete the feeling of listening to something very authentic...for any classic boxing fan, regardless of liking fantasy fights or not, this is really worth listening to...
The first part of the broadcast was the build-up and the fight broadcast itself starts at 15 minutes in here..
(..from the Classic Boxing Society YouTube channel...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkduI6b5Q64

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wouter wrote: That's Prince Charles Williams going down, not Michael Nunn.
well spotted / corrected. thank you.
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sugar ray...taken after his comeback fight, after 2 and a half years out..against joe rindone...

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jack johnson and james j jeffries sign to fight..


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Nov 19, 1970.

Los Angeles, California, USA

Ruben Navarro KO2 Mar Yuzon


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Henry Armstrong vs Enrico Venturi fight at Madison Square Gardens in January 1938.

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the whole set of photos from the whole day of the fight....from armstrong getting out of bed in the morning to having a meal that night after the fight.....57 photos in total....are here...

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 123&type=3
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Muhammad Ali in 1966 with former World Bantamweight champion Johnny Coulon.

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Johnny had a trick the trick was he would bet you that you could not pick him up, well there's some nerve in your neck if you pinch it just right and add pressure you can't pick up anything. Hundreds of great fighters like Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Sonny Liston all the great fighters of the era, Sugar Ray Robinson, tried to pick him up and you'd see his hand on their shoulder all around their neck administering the johnny coulon neck pinch!

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February 5, 1954 - Joey Giardello stops Walter Cartier in 1 round - Madison Square Garden.

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Sugar Hart and Sugar Ray...

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Following by Gayle Ronan Sims INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
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Garnet "Sugar" Hart, 65, a boxer from a tough part of North Philadelphia whose professional career never matched his brilliant record as an amateur, died of complications from diabetes last Wednesday at Frankford Hospital-Torresdale Campus hospice.

Mr. Hart - who in 1954 was the national Amateur Athletic Union welterweight champ - never fought for a world title as a professional. And although at one time he was the No. 1 contender, he never made more than $7,000 for a bout.

Yet, "Sugar was one of the best amateur fighters to come out of this city," said Philadelphia boxing promoter Russell Peltz. "In 1954, he won the national AAU championship and knocked out everybody in the first round."

Fondly called "Skinny," Mr. Hart had 52 consecutive victories as an amateur welterweight.

Born and raised in North Philadelphia, Mr. Hart dropped out of Northeast High School in 10th grade and got his boxing education early with the Police Athletic League at 22d Street and Cecil B. Moore Avenue.

He expected great things after turning pro in 1954 - at age 16 - and enjoyed early successes fighting in Connie Mack Stadium; St. Nicholas Arena and Madison Square Garden in New York; Chicago Stadium; and Miami Beach Convention Hall. He beat some of the best fighters of the time, including Ralph Dupas, Isaac Logart, Rocky Kalingo, and Charley "Tombstone" Smith in a 1958 fight nationally televised from the former Arena in West Philadelphia.

But Mr. Hart's climb suffered a giant stumble in 1959, when he was matched against Charley Scott at Convention Hall in West Philadelphia. Scott knocked out Mr. Hart in the ninth round.

"That fight finished him," Peltz said. "It was the classic Philly fight, where they had to carry the loser out of there."

Mr. Hart, who had trained alongside Scott in North Philadelphia, came home with only $3,000 from that fight.

After the loss to Scott, Peltz said, "Sugar went from being No. 1 to being a shot fighter" - one who was done.

He fought several more times after that but did poorly, losing four out of his last five bouts and finally quitting in 1965. He finished with a 29-7-2 record as a professional.

He was later diagnosed with diabetes.

At the time of his death, Mr. Hart lived on West Oxford Street in North Philadelphia with his mother in a house he bought for her more than 40 years ago.

Mr. Hart was married several times, but none lasted. In a 1990 interview, Mr. Hart said, "I loved my women. That was my downfall."

He said: "If I had it to do it all over again, I would do the same thing. I thank God I bought the house. I did that for my mother."

After retiring from the ring, Mr. Hart worked briefly for his manager, Marty Stein.


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September 14, 1923.

Fight fans gather around the bleacher entrance at the Polo Grounds, New York - waiting patiently to see the 'Bull' (Luis Angel Firpo) and the 'Tiger' (Jack Dempsey).

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"A faint trickle of blood was visible from the Tiger's mouth as he crawled to his corner..."

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Love this thread thankyou
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He pitched to Willie Mays, played golf with Sam Snead, fought a bull in Spain and played bridge with Jacoby. Now he wanted to see how it felt to fight Archie Moore...

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(Jan 1959)
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