German Boxing is a disgrace

[sucracristo]

Watch it with the sound off and count the punches. I don't know how sucrasito can score 8 rounds for Paul Smith.

i can't stand watt and therefore DO watch with the sound off. i was surprised when
they put his card up and showed AA winning the first round. what did he do in the
first round?!?! he barely threw a punch!
if you actually take your own advice and count the punches then you HAVE to score my way
because AA threw LESS and landed LESS in almost every round. the only argument for the rounds
he got is because he was throwing harder shots. smith was the one coming forward and throwing
and landing most of the fight. AA looked gassed the 2nd half. his work rate was AWFUL. if you are
arguing AA outworked smith you need to be checked for glaucoma. i wouldn't have complained
if it was a close decision either way but no way in hell did AA deserve any of those 3 cards, never
mind the 119. laguna is a complete whore. scully-nunn was about this bad but i can't think of
anything recent that was this bad. i understand that close rounds can sometimes all go for one guy
but it just isn't possible to come up with those cards because smith outworked AA in too many rounds
and AA accomplished next to nothing in them.

[ttornado]

if you actually take your own advice and count the punches

Why would you count punches? This is pro boxing not old style amateur boxing.

[sucracristo]

if you actually take your own advice and count the punches

Why would you count punches? This is pro boxing not old style amateur boxing.

1) i wasn't the one suggesting that punch counts decide rounds. i already said in that
comment that i gave AA the rounds i gave him because he was throwing the harder shots.

2) if you are not paying attention to who came forward and threw and landed more, then
you are not watching the fight.

[Datsue]

I agree with Graham Houston's sentiments.

https://twitter.com/fightwriterone

Me: Abraham 116-112. Judges' scores a tad wide, but the winner won as we used to say in London.

Watched on Russian TV. Better than Sky, for me -- an unemotional commentary that I can't understand! (No risk of being misled.

Too many people misled by over-the-top commentary. Don Dunphy was 'vanilla' by today's standards but didn't lead viewers astray.

Same score & I'm glad Graham shares my sentiments RE: understanding the commentary.

[Butterbean]

if you actually take your own advice and count the punches

Why would you count punches? This is pro boxing not old style amateur boxing.

1) i wasn't the one suggesting that punch counts decide rounds. i already said in that
comment that i gave AA the rounds i gave him because he was throwing the harder shots.

2) if you are not paying attention to who came forward and threw and landed more, then
you are not watching the fight.

Hey sucracristo, pssst. Landing on the other guys guard doesnt score in proboxing... Thats why your pov is so far off ! Aa landed quite a bit, and hard to ps face. Every round. Youre colored by whom you favor.

[Lennox]

Watch it with the sound off and count the punches. I don't know how sucrasito can score 8 rounds for Paul Smith.

i can't stand watt and therefore DO watch with the sound off. i was surprised when
they put his card up and showed AA winning the first round. what did he do in the
first round?!?! he barely threw a punch!
if you actually take your own advice and count the punches then you HAVE to score my way
because AA threw LESS and landed LESS in almost every round. the only argument for the rounds
he got is because he was throwing harder shots. smith was the one coming forward and throwing
and landing most of the fight. AA looked gassed the 2nd half. his work rate was AWFUL. if you are
arguing AA outworked smith you need to be checked for glaucoma. i wouldn't have complained
if it was a close decision either way but no way in hell did AA deserve any of those 3 cards, never
mind the 119. laguna is a complete whore. scully-nunn was about this bad but i can't think of
anything recent that was this bad. i understand that close rounds can sometimes all go for one guy
but it just isn't possible to come up with those cards because smith outworked AA in too many rounds
and AA accomplished next to nothing in them.

I have watched this fight again, first time around I scored it 116-112. Here is how I saw it this time:
Round 1 10 AA PS 9. AA won the round 9 effective scoring punches to 6, PS aggressive but lots of punches did not score AA defended with gloves
Round 2 9 AA PS10. PS won a very close round 12-11, threw many more punches but lots missed 19-19
Round 3 10 AA PS 9. Big round AA 13-6 few big shots from AA 29-28
Round 4 10 AA PS 9. 10 scoring punches to 4. AA defended lots of punches with gloves. 39-37
Round 5 10 AA PS 9. 13 scoring punches to 5. Much the same as 4. PS aggressive but uneffective. 49-46
Round 6 10 AA PS 9. 16-10 scoring punches, very similar pattern, PS cant land enough scoring punches, AA does. 59-55
Round 7 10 AA PS 9. 15-12 scoring punches lots of good exchanges PS got through more, close round. AA edged 69-64
Round 8 10 AA PS 9. 13-11 another closer round. AA landed big shots, PS aggressive but less effective. 79-73
Round 9 9 AA PS10. Very close round with PS edging 8-6. PS landed some big shots. 88-83
Round 10 9 AA PS10. 12-8 scoring punches, AA landed a few in clusters but PS looks stronger now 97-93
Round 11 9 AA PS10. Very close round 16-15 to PS. Lots of PS shots still defended by AA gloves 106-103
Round 12 10 AA PS 9. Best round of the fight 20-10 scoring punches, both landed big clusters.
116 - 112
AA won the fight clearly, but PS was more aggressive and threw more punches. AA defence negated much of PS work. Most of PS shots were not scoring punches, PS workrate was probably 65%-35% in the fight but AA knew enough to defend well and is clearly an older fighter with less stamina that still knows enough to win rounds.
PS at no time had AA in any danger.
The problem IMO with people thinking PS won, was identyfing what punches landed and what were taken on AA gloves.

[magwitch]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad. what is the basis for scoring so many rounds
for aa? what did he do? i can understand someone saying smith wasn't all the effective
bla bla, but relative to abhraham? abraham wasn't even throwing much most rounds
so how can aa be effective not throwing? at least smith was the one attacking and throwing
and landing more in most of the rounds.

i agree, someone said above that most of Smith's shots were being blocked or landing on Abrahams's gloves....so what? What was Abraham doing that was better than attacking the other guy and forcing him to catch punches on his gloves?

Which post is that?

If it is mine, all you have to do to see what I think AA was doing better is read the sentence before I mentioned Smith hitting gloves.

What, this sentence?

"However, I generally thought that AA was more accurate, landing more, and landing a bit more cleanly even though he was often outworked."

fair point

[Butterbean]

i had it 116-113 for smith and explained what happened after every round in that thread.
those offical cards are from complete meth addicts. i can't remember the last
time i've seen scoring that bad. what is the basis for scoring so many rounds
for aa? what did he do? i can understand someone saying smith wasn't all the effective
bla bla, but relative to abhraham? abraham wasn't even throwing much most rounds
so how can aa be effective not throwing? at least smith was the one attacking and throwing
and landing more in most of the rounds.

i agree, someone said above that most of Smith's shots were being blocked or landing on Abrahams's gloves....so what? What was Abraham doing that was better than attacking the other guy and forcing him to catch punches on his gloves?

He repeatedly hit him in the head with his hands... Its called landing your shots and scoring. Omg, all the brits are going crazy here

[Bobbyptsd]

Butterbean, you don't give Smigga credit for those hard shots to the body and head that he took so well?

What? I thought if you got hit more but didn't go down, you were supposed to win the fight. That's the impression Sky sports left me with anyway.

[karvkate]

I scored it exactly 117-111 for Abraham! I think AAs defense was very solid. In my opinion Abraham edged Smith in effective aggressiveness, defense and clean punching - which all are used in scoring a fight. I can see someone giving an extra round or two to PS but that's it! It was a competitive fight but imo Abraham clearly won.

Note: I didn't watch the fight with British commentators.

I respect anyone's opinion as long as they can give a reasonable explanation.

[Broomhall]

it is a difficult one as if rounds are tight and the Judge is honestly scoring them to who he thinks is winning them then this could make even a very competitive fight appear one sided, even if the rounds are edged.

[Bobbyptsd]

it is a difficult one as if rounds are tight and the Judge is honestly scoring them to who he thinks is winning them then this could make even a very competitive fight appear one sided, even if the rounds are edged.

That's one of the more sensible things anyone has said in this thread.