Froch Retiring

[ikorolev]

Froch has fought enough wars by now to fight whoever he wants at this point. I can see why any 168 would want Chavez. Big money and pretty easy win.

I can see GGG not being thrilled about traveling to England to fight Froch in his backyard where a decision will be super tough to win so I don't think that fight happens.

Froch-GGG in Vegas sounds great to me. I don't care to see Carl hammer JCC but I'm sure that's what he's chasing. I see no motivation for Carl to fight DeGale honestly.

Not sure where you getting that assumption from. GGG would gladly go to England. We all know Froch vs GGG will not last 12 rounds.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Froch has fought enough wars by now to fight whoever he wants at this point.

I really don't agree with this mentality, and it really doesn't exist anywhere else in life.

Froch, and guys above him, are getting the types of paydays other fighters dream of. They also charge bug money for tickets and get tons of promotional hype behind them.

You don't work hard to get to the top and relax. You work hard so when you retire you can relax. The top guys in the sport are required to carry the sport. You do that by fighting the best.

I also think any fighter who is in the top 25 p4p has no excuse but be in tough every fight. Within a reasonable weight range, no fighter is too dangerous or should be avoided by the top guys.

[SFW]

Froch has fought enough wars by now to fight whoever he wants at this point.

I really don't agree with this mentality, and it really doesn't exist anywhere else in life.

Froch, and guys above him, are getting the types of paydays other fighters dream of. They also charge bug money for tickets and get tons of promotional hype behind them.

You don't work hard to get to the top and relax. You work hard so when you retire you can relax. The top guys in the sport are required to carry the sport. You do that by fighting the best.

I also think any fighter who is in the top 25 p4p has no excuse but be in tough every fight. Within a reasonable weight range, no fighter is too dangerous or should be avoided by the top guys.

oh you mean like Rod Salka? I heard he ran Chuck Norris out of his own gym, joined the Cobra Kai, then broke the Karate Kid's other leg

[SenorPipino]

Has Froch emerged from retirement yet, or is he joining his Brit buddies like Haye and Fury on a very permanent hiatus?

[keirw]

Has Froch emerged from retirement yet, or is he joining his Brit buddies like Haye and Fury on a very permanent hiatus?

Froch fought only 4 months ago and is considering his next move carefully as his next fight might be his last, hardly grounds to compare him to Haye, is it?
Oh and Fury's 'very permanent hiatus', as you put it, will come to an end in November when fights Chisora,
his second fight this year

[Like a Boss]

http://www.BS.com/carl-froch-i ... eft--82699

I will be very sad to see him go. Will be a huge loss to boxing. True meaning of a fighter. Guy with limited physical attributes but the heart of a lion.

Froch says he has one or two fights left in him.

[danamba7]

Froch has fought enough wars by now to fight whoever he wants at this point. I can see why any 168 would want Chavez. Big money and pretty easy win.

I can see GGG not being thrilled about traveling to England to fight Froch in his backyard where a decision will be super tough to win so I don't think that fight happens.

Froch-GGG in Vegas sounds great to me. I don't care to see Carl hammer JCC but I'm sure that's what he's chasing. I see no motivation for Carl to fight DeGale honestly.

Not sure where you getting that assumption from. GGG would gladly go to England. We all know Froch vs GGG will not last 12 rounds.

Are you trolling? I've seen a few people say this about GGG V Froch. How did you come to the conclusion that a MW (hard-hitting admittedly) who has never fought a top MW in their prime, KO's a SMW who beaten all the top SMWs bar Ward and never been KO'd???

[ikorolev]

Froch has fought enough wars by now to fight whoever he wants at this point. I can see why any 168 would want Chavez. Big money and pretty easy win.

I can see GGG not being thrilled about traveling to England to fight Froch in his backyard where a decision will be super tough to win so I don't think that fight happens.

Froch-GGG in Vegas sounds great to me. I don't care to see Carl hammer JCC but I'm sure that's what he's chasing. I see no motivation for Carl to fight DeGale honestly.

Not sure where you getting that assumption from. GGG would gladly go to England. We all know Froch vs GGG will not last 12 rounds.

Are you trolling? I've seen a few people say this about GGG V Froch. How did you come to the conclusion that a MW (hard-hitting admittedly) who has never fought a top MW in their prime, KO's a SMW who beaten all the top SMWs bar Ward and never been KO'd???

I didn't say that GGG will KO Froch. What I said is that the fight will not last 12 rounds. With the way GGG fights, he will either stop Froch or gets stopped. I do think that with Froch's age and some vulnerability he showed against Groves, GGG's chances are better.

[danamba7]

I didn't say that GGG will KO Froch. What I said is that the fight will not last 12 rounds. With the way GGG fights, he will either stop Froch or gets stopped. I do think that with Froch's age and some vulnerability he showed against Groves, GGG's chances are better.

Apologies then, I've seen others dismiss Froch in this fight which I find hard to get my head around!

[tanibanana]

The best farewell fight for Froch is a closing-out win over Kessler of their trilogy, it seems it would make a good pay too for him.

[Butterbean]

I didn't say that GGG will KO Froch. What I said is that the fight will not last 12 rounds. With the way GGG fights, he will either stop Froch or gets stopped. I do think that with Froch's age and some vulnerability he showed against Groves, GGG's chances are better.

Apologies then, I've seen others dismiss Froch in this fight which I find hard to get my head around!

I´d say golovkin ko´s froch within 6 if they fight ! and im not trolling !

[IRLangmaid25]

Funny that, I was talking about Carl Froch with my dad (who isn't much of a fight fan as I am, but is aware of who The Cobra is and my aPpreciation of him. Was presenting the argument to me that he thinks Froch should have cashed out after parting George Groves from his senses at Wembley Stadium. He has four world titles, a ton load of money, a sizeable property portfolio, a fit missus and two kids.

And my dad said he thinks that Froch would ended up being remembered as the bloke who took one too many if he didn't cash out. And I actually found it hard to argue against my dad's arguments about Froch cashing out.

[SteveDow]

Don't really have any interest in a 3rd Kessler fight or a 2nd Ward fight. The results would be the same in both as they were last time.

Can see how Froch would find it hard to get motivated for Degale though who has beaten nobody of note and was beaten by the guy he himself has already beaten twice.

That then leaves Chavez Jnr and Golovkin and neither look like happening.

Maybe retirement is the best option.

[danamba7]

I didn't say that GGG will KO Froch. What I said is that the fight will not last 12 rounds. With the way GGG fights, he will either stop Froch or gets stopped. I do think that with Froch's age and some vulnerability he showed against Groves, GGG's chances are better.

Apologies then, I've seen others dismiss Froch in this fight which I find hard to get my head around!

I´d say golovkin ko´s froch within 6 if they fight ! and im not trolling !

Based on what? GGG bowling over mostly average MWs?

[ReggieDiggs]

http://www.BS.com/carl-froch-i ... eft--82699

I will be very sad to see him go. Will be a huge loss to boxing. True meaning of a fighter. Guy with limited physical attributes but the heart of a lion.

Froch says he has one or two fights left in him.

Ideally I think the goal should be Carl vs Julio Jr for the $$$ & than Carl vs GGG for the fans. If something big can be agreed with Andre I think that blocks out GGG, but I highly doubt that can done anyway. Either way gl to Carl & I wish him luck in his post boxing life.

[lefty]

Funny that, I was talking about Carl Froch with my dad (who isn't much of a fight fan as I am, but is aware of who The Cobra is and my aPpreciation of him. Was presenting the argument to me that he thinks Froch should have cashed out after parting George Groves from his senses at Wembley Stadium. He has four world titles, a ton load of money, a sizeable property portfolio, a fit missus and two kids.

And my dad said he thinks that Froch would ended up being remembered as the bloke who took one too many if he didn't cash out. And I actually found it hard to argue against my dad's arguments about Froch cashing out.

I agree with everything else but what's him having a fit missus got to do with him carrying on or not? lol

[IRLangmaid25]

My point being is being to able to retire with all his faculties intact to enjoy her charms and help her bring up their children, as well being able to manage their property portfolio etc was what I was alluding too.

[lefty]

My point being is being to able to retire with all his faculties intact to enjoy her charms and help her bring up their children, as well being able to manage their property portfolio etc was what I was alluding too.

True, true. Regarding his property portfolio though, I imagine whilst he's heavily involved in the process i'd imagine he has some kind of financial adviser or something that is involved in that.

[Butterbean]

I´d say golovkin ko´s froch within 6 if they fight ! and im not trolling !

Out of curiosity, why are Golovkin fans so supremely confident that their fighter will dominate and destroy just about any world-class high-profile opponent with ease when his resume is really so weak in comparison to Froch’s?

Would the 33 year old “quitting” and past-his-prime version of Daniel Geale that Gennady dominated have defeated any of Carl Froch’s opponents in the last six years?

For all I know, you could be right about Golovkin being capable of beating Carl Froch, but it feels as though he’s untested and this is preventing me from joining you on the GGG bandwagon.

did you guys ever watch golovkin fight ?

have you checked his amateur credencials ?

Have you not remarked with what ease, overwhelming power and skill, that golovkin dispences his opponents with ?

I dont see neither froch, kessler, groves, abraham etc. avoiding his powerfull precise blows for very long. imo he´d ko all of them. I think a ward, dirrel fight, with the old ward/dirrel in mind, being very competetive.
power, size and toughness just won´t be enough to challenge ggg.

[expe]

I´d say golovkin ko´s froch within 6 if they fight ! and im not trolling !

Out of curiosity, why are Golovkin fans so supremely confident that their fighter will dominate and destroy just about any world-class high-profile opponent with ease when his resume is really so weak in comparison to Froch’s?

Would the 33 year old “quitting” and past-his-prime version of Daniel Geale that Gennady dominated have defeated any of Carl Froch’s opponents in the last six years?

For all I know, you could be right about Golovkin being capable of beating Carl Froch, but it feels as though he’s untested and this is preventing me from joining you on the GGG bandwagon.

Because resume isn't a very good way of judging a fighters ability. Rigo has few top level wins, but it doesn't mean he isn't an incredibly gifted boxer, just that no one is willing to get into the ring with him. Judge a fight and fighters by what you see from the two fighters in the ring, not what their record says on paper. The best two fighters Golovkin has fought are Macklin and Geale, neither heard the bell to end round 3, he has demolished almost everyone he's fought and hasn't lost a round for 5 years. Froch is too open defensively to beat Golovkin, even if he managed to pull off a win, it could have serious effects on him long term, he's taken far too many punches in his career, a win or lose, he'd take a lot of punishment from Golovkin and eventually that will take its toll.

[baron_otto]

For me if he carries on something like Degale in Nottingham followed by Kesslar in Vegas then retire makes sense. A last hurrah (possibly at the footie ground) in his home town before going out on a big vegas bill whilst completing the trilogy.

[crusader]

For all I know, you could be right about Golovkin being capable of beating Carl Froch, but it feels as though he’s untested and this is preventing me from joining you on the GGG bandwagon.

You said on another thread that you're a huge GGG fan (if that's true I've never encountered someone that is so critical of their adored fighter). Do you not equate that to being on the GGG bandwagon?

You also say 'Golovkin fans' without qualification before using 'their' in a manner suggesting that you're not one of them:

Out of curiosity, why are Golovkin fans so supremely confident that their fighter will dominate and destroy just about any world-class high-profile opponent with ease when his resume is really so weak in comparison to Froch’s?

Here is where you claim that you're a huge GGG fan. Did you disingenuously make this claim so your constant criticism of Golovkin and negativity about his opponents, some of which is reasonable, seems more credible?

I’m a huge fan of GGG and I don’t believe that he needs protecting, but I do feel that his career has been badly managed and the quality of opposition that he has faced is simply not befitting of a man universally classed amongst the pound-for-pound elite.

[ikorolev]

Nice catches above

[chucktaylor]

big argument over a fight that will never happen & a fighter whom this thread isn't even about
crusader checking past transcripts like it's a court case
Nice catch?!
It's time for a GGG subforum on boxrec so you guys can all argue amongst yourselves.

Anyway,
If Froch only fights one more time, I sure hope its Chavez and not Degale. It'd be a more entertaining fight and beating Degale wouldn't substantially advance Froch's legacy anyway, given that he's faced so many of the top men around his weight already (unless Degale then went on to have a stellar career). The only disadvantage I see is that he wouldn't have such a big, raucous crowd to cheer him on in his last fight as Chavez would have more fans in Vegas.

[crusader]

I don’t know about you but I exist in a world where nothing is absolute, where there are varying degrees of appreciation... or fanaticism!

That being said, even though I’m a self-confessed Golovkin fan, I also don’t hold some sort of naïve juvenile blind loyalty that compels me to completely disregard any perceived flaws that all boxers possess.

This means that I am capable of enjoying watching Golovkin fight, without ignoring the simple fact that there is an undeniable lack of depth in terms of the calibre of opposition he’s faced!

Therefore, when I claim to be a Gennady Golovkin fan, I really did mean it. However, unlike you, I won’t express preposterously absurd claims based on nothing but pure gut instinct!

You conveniently ignored the common theme when you quoted my posts, which was:
• Golovkin has huge potential, but he hasn’t proven it against any top-tier world-class opponents yet, so we truly don’t know what he is capable of
• I actually enjoy watching him fight and I want him to do well
• He’s relatively untested for a fighter universally-regarded as a top-ten pound-for-pounder

Please read these three quotes multiple times and you’ll realise that all three of them illustrate the points detailed above!

When I persistently refuse to ride the proverbial “GGG bandwagon”, I literally meant those words. To use an analogy to help explain my thoughts… I am unable to claim that Golovkin is capable of walking on water when I’ve never seen him stand up! Only those poor souls riding the Golovkin bandwagon would make that sort of preposterous assumption!

I am capable of identifying flaws in all fighters, because they are only human beings and no one is perfect, which doesn’t necessarily make me a hater… merely a realist!

If you carefully read my post you should know the only claims of truth I made were that you confessed to being a 'huge fan of GGG' and I've never seen a 'huge fan' be so consistently critical of the person they favor to that extent. I never asserted that you were anything other than a self-labelled huge fan, but I did question what you meant by certain terms (e.g. bandwagon--which often just means being fan of whatever prefaces the word) and your motivations for your previous claim of fandom, especially given the blanket comment you made about GGG fans that seemed to exclude you from that group.

Thanks for all the effort you put into that reply though!

You must be mentally-deficient if you sincerely believe your troll-like friend has caught anything!

Given the sensitivity you showed when I suggested that an argument you made was laughable, I can only imagine how you'd react if I directly insulted you or used terms like mentally-deficient