Trinidad vs. Duran at 147 lbs.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 23 Dec 2005, 11:28

I could be wrong but I think Duran at 147 lb did not hit that hard and Tito would have landed some very good left hooks that Duran will not be able to handle. I just picture what Hearns did to Duran and what Tito did to Vargas and that lead me to believe that Tito would have won that fight. Also I think Tito would have been too big for Duran. What do you guys think?

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 23 Dec 2005, 14:33

This matchup would really favor Trinidad. He'd have a big advantage in power, reach and height, and at welterweight he was 36-0 (30 KO's) and 17-0 (14 KO's) in world title fights. In a 12 rounder I see Tito pounding out a one sided decision by about 118-110.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 23 Dec 2005, 20:13

Duran by easy KO.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 23 Dec 2005, 21:07

Grimm wrote:Duran by easy KO.

please explain your point of view.
Duran has the power to KO Trinidad that is for sure but can he really do it?
I picture Hearns vs Duran I really think that Tito will win this fight. Tito has problems with slick fighters but Duran was a coming forward type of fighter in which tito would've been able to land big left hooks and well same ending as the Hearns fight.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 23 Dec 2005, 21:59

borinken25 wrote:
Grimm wrote:Duran by easy KO.

please explain your point of view.
Duran has the power to KO Trinidad that is for sure but can he really do it?
I picture Hearns vs Duran I really think that Tito will win this fight. Tito has problems with slick fighters but Duran was a coming forward type of fighter in which tito would've been able to land big left hooks and well same ending as the Hearns fight.

Well Duran was much harder to hit than most expected and he is closer to Trinidads height and reach than he was with Hearns, this is why I believe he will get inside and KO Trinidad, he will counterpunch him into unconsciousness.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 24 Dec 2005, 08:16

If we are talking about the Duran that beat Leonard then he has the edge over Tito. Tito not rough tough or mad enogh to beat Duran. Roberto would be all over him and the Trinidad is not in Leonard's league, so Duran would beat him easier, comfy UD, though saying that, Tito wouldn't be a walkover...I'd say a lot of the rds would be close.....

theone · Post by **theone** » 24 Dec 2005, 08:44

TITO NUTHUGGER ALERT

Just his opinion Brock, and its a respectable one. I dont agree with it but it isnt out of the realm of possibility. Duran by UD. Both would taste the canvas at least once in this fight.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 24 Dec 2005, 10:15

Duran had great defence in close. Imo he would break Tito down for a late stoppage. I don't think Tito lands enough to win.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 24 Dec 2005, 11:11

Roberto Duran at welterweight was not the same as Roberto Duran at Lightweight. He wasen't as fast, and he didn't have the ko power he did at the lighter weight. Felix Trinidad on the other hand was about as consistent as you can get, 36 fights and 36 wins. He was a ferocious hitter at WW who made even a prime DeLaHoya respect and fear his power. I believe 5 different fighters floored Tito at WW, and each time Trinidad got up and knocked his opponent into next week. It wasen't that Trinidad's defense was poor, it was more of a case of him being a very offensive fighter who sometimes got caught off balance, like Naseem Hamed. Felix Trinidad is an all time great at welterweight, and I don't say so, his record does.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 24 Dec 2005, 13:56

Decagon wrote:But Duran was just as offensive-minded and he didn't get caught flush in 10 fights as many times as Trinidad got caught flush in one fight. The talent difference between the two was HUGE.

That is my point Duran will come forward and try to land big and he will get hit repeatedly, remember Tito did much better with fighters who like to trade and I firmly believe that Tito would have much stronger than Duran at this weight class. I’m not saying that Tito was better or had more talent than Duran. I just think that at 147 lb Tito would have been to strong for Duran and possibly win the fight against him. But I welcome all points of view, that is why I join this forum to talk boxing.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 24 Dec 2005, 14:13

theone wrote:
TITO NUTHUGGER ALERT
Just his opinion Brock, and its a respectable one. I dont agree with it but it isnt out of the realm of possibility. Duran by UD. Both would taste the canvas at least once in this fight.

naw i was just kidding, but seriousely he was comparing felix trinidad to tommy hearns. hearns was bigger, faster, better boxer, and harder hitter.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 24 Dec 2005, 14:44

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
theone wrote:
TITO NUTHUGGER ALERT
Just his opinion Brock, and its a respectable one. I dont agree with it but it isnt out of the realm of possibility. Duran by UD. Both would taste the canvas at least once in this fight.

naw i was just kidding, but seriousely he was comparing felix trinidad to tommy hearns. hearns was bigger, faster, better boxer, and harder hitter.

Sorry maybe you misunderstood. In the only department that I compare Tito to Hearns in the power dept. I know Hearns hit harder, but Tito is not too far behind.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 24 Dec 2005, 15:58

i agree tito was not far behind, tito could really bang and WITH BOTH HANDS

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 27 Dec 2005, 11:29

Sorry do disappoint you, but the fight that really hook me into boxing was Duran vs. de Jesus the first fight and I have been watching boxing ever since. I have seen so many of his fights. His defense was good but not that great, his main weapon was his speed and power which he did not posses that much in the 147 lb. I’m not saying that is certain that Tito will win this fight, but there is a possibility.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 27 Dec 2005, 22:19

Decagon wrote:But Duran's defense didn't really hit its peak until the third DeJesus fight. What made Duran such a great fighter was that he was constantly improving. He was only 21 when he fought DeJesus the first time, and he learned a lot from that bout.

I do agree with that. I think he became a better fighter after that fight.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 29 Dec 2005, 12:11

Triniodad was a top WW and would give anyone a fight but Duran would beat him. In Duran's prime at WW he was a highly skilled technical fighter. Yes he fought inside but jsut watch how many punches he slips, comes under and counters.

Duran was way above his natural weight and past his best when he fought Hearns and Trinidad doesn't match up to Tommy.

Still I wouldn't totally rule Felix out because he was a top fighter but a motivated Duran is the greatest P4P fighter of the colour TV age IMO.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 29 Dec 2005, 15:52

Duran was a bully, but Tito would not have been scared of him & would have matched fire with fire.

For Duran to win, he would have to have employed his excellent techinical skills & go for a points win.

If he tried to bully & KO Tito, he would have lost.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 29 Dec 2005, 16:03

Syntax Error wrote:Duran was a bully, but Tito would not have been scared of him & would have matched fire with fire.

For Duran to win, he would have to have employed his excellent techinical skills & go for a points win.

If he tried to bully & KO Tito, he would have lost.

That is something that I would totally agree.

theone · Post by **theone** » 31 Dec 2005, 10:33

Duran wasn't a bully.....do you guys even know what the f*ck you are talking about? I think not reading this sh*t

Duran not a bully? Which Duran are you talking about, Richard Duran? Because Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran was the epitome of a bully. A great and very talented one.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 31 Dec 2005, 11:09

ringsider wrote:Duran wasn't a bully.....do you guys even know what the f*ck you are talking about? I think not reading this sh*t.

Course he was a bully.

Look at his fights.

The 2nd Leonard fight sums him up; he threw his toys out of the pram when SRL started to humiliate him.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 01 Jan 2006, 01:50

This would favor Duran, The logic that you can base the Hearns win to project a Tito win does not work for me. The Duran Hearnes fight was a fluke in that Duran did not get hit flush very often and that night he did get nailed perfectly he just happen to be mixing it up with the hardest hitting opponent he ever faced. I'm not saying that Hearns would not beat Duran in a rematch but I would say that 2 out of three times this fight probably goes to the judges and it's more of a u pick em out come.

Tito is no Hearns. Duran is always Duran except for two distinct occasions which have been gone over exhaustively on this forum. Duran fought so many times he was bound to have a bad night here and there. But all things being equal Duran would likely not have trouble with Tito.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 01 Jan 2006, 04:40

Decagon wrote:To me, a bully is someone who uses aggression to hide his fear. I really don't know exactly what made Duran quit against Leonard, but I don't think it was fear. It seemed more like frustration.

Maybe he was afraid of being humiliated by a man he had taunted & declared war upon.

Duran should have been willing to be carried out of that ring against Leonard.

He can have no excuses for his No Mas.

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Jan 2006, 10:34

To me, a bully is someone who uses aggression to hide his fear.

Its a popular misconception that all bullies are cowards in disquise. Alot of bullies are just sadistic thugs, with no fear of the consequences of their action. I grew up in the south bronx, one of the worst, most violent neighborhoods in the country during the late 70's and 80's. I knew alot of guys who were bullies the way you described, but there were others who just didnt give a shit about anything, even their own lives. They took pleasure in fornicating with people, not caring how big, tough, small or weak. Duran was probably this type of bully, not to that extreme however, and quit against Leonard out of frustration, knowing he could not beat him.

The Duran Hearnes fight was a fluke in that Duran did not get hit flush very often and that night he did get nailed perfectly he just happen to be mixing it up with the hardest hitting opponent he ever faced. I'm not saying that Hearns would not beat Duran in a rematch but I would say that 2 out of three times this fight probably goes to the judges and it's more of a u pick em out come.

No fluke, just a stylistic nightmare for Duran. Hearns was a much better boxer, was faster, better defensively and hit hard enough to knock out nearly every fighter from middleweight down in history. There is absolutley nothing Duran could have ever did differently ,like Patterson against Liston, to change the results. Hearns ko in less than 3, every single time.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 01 Jan 2006, 13:57

Thanks for your opinion theone...not sure I agree in fact the "much better boxer" statement is very suspect in my mind, however I respect your take. (Hearns was born after Duran so you remain very consistent!) Kidding here.... Give me your take on Barkley's ability to dominate Hearns and then Durans ability to at least be Competitive with Barkley.

The Hearns Barkley matchup has been one of the most fascinating studies for me and I never tire of getting different opinions on this.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 01 Jan 2006, 14:12

i think that duran whipes the floor with felix. duran is better at this weight then felix in almost every aspect of the game. and imo duran either KO him early or beats him up until the mid to later rounds n hen disposes of him.