Fair enough Boxing News

[dalcumly]

I've previously suggested those at the Boxing News would 'bottle it' when commenting ( or not) on the Cleverley v Bellew PPV disgrace. Having now saw their coverage I've got to say they've done OK . They've made it clear in a few sections what they think - so credit where credit is due.

I wouldn't be stunned if ,as the fight nears, Eddie Hearn, seeing poor PPV sales, comes charging out on his white horse and cancels the PPV aspect claiming that the public have spoken.

[dbflex]

I'm printing and framing this post Dalcumly. Top man.

[Bodyshot3]

.....fair to say that the issue was properly and fullytackled in this week's issue. And by fair I mean that the team, led by Tris, levelled criticism at the decision and covered the fact that hardcore fans are not happy but they also allowed Eddie Hearn the right to reply and to explain the decision and justify the cost. That's a balanced, sound editorial approach.

Fast Eddie seems to have picked-up the negative vibe and is pushing the line that it was never just all about Clev-Bellew (honest fella) and that we'll get an undercard of equally important Brit stars in meaningful fights....so that's why there's a poll tax; it is a gala evening of boxing and not just a one-act play. Let's wait and see on that one!

[Horse]

Will there be one 50/50 fight on the undercard?

[lefty]

I think Boxing news should change it's approach. It should adopt a hello magazine type layout. The latest goss. Nathan Cleverly and his fit missus in a centre spread with an exclusive about Nathans and (insert her name's) plans for the future.

[reggaereggae]

Are you:

A) drunk or high
B) Tris' girlfriend

BN totally sat on the fence, didn't condemn it, Tris just posted a bunch of rhetorical questions and skirted around the issue. It was pathetic.

We needed, as fans, outright condemnation of this fleecing. Where will it lead to? Will every fight on SKY be PPV if it involves anyone above area status?

Neither mullah, Abrams or Glyn Leach would've stood for it.

Dixon just rolls over, offers his ars hole to Eddie and takes it without lube...

[gasman]

It is times like this that I miss Glyn's editorials, he would have drop kicked this nonsensical PPV into touch. I have not read BN in a few years, so cannot comment on them, but when you see BN advertising on the ring posts on Matchroom promotions then their editorial views are even less appealing.

[JimJim2009]

Are you:

A) drunk or high
B) Tris' girlfriend

BN totally sat on the fence, didn't condemn it, Tris just posted a bunch of rhetorical questions and skirted around the issue. It was pathetic.

We needed, as fans, outright condemnation of this fleecing. Where will it lead to? Will every fight on SKY be PPV if it involves anyone above area status?

Neither mullah, Abrams or Glyn Leach would've stood for it.

Dixon just rolls over, offers his ars hole to Eddie and takes it without lube...

I like it when someone just blurts out his views like that !

[reggaereggae]

Are you:

A) drunk or high
B) Tris' girlfriend

BN totally sat on the fence, didn't condemn it, Tris just posted a bunch of rhetorical questions and skirted around the issue. It was pathetic.

We needed, as fans, outright condemnation of this fleecing. Where will it lead to? Will every fight on SKY be PPV if it involves anyone above area status?

Neither mullah, Abrams or Glyn Leach would've stood for it.

Dixon just rolls over, offers his ars hole to Eddie and takes it without lube...

I like it when someone just blurts out his views like that !

Thank you, I'm very passage about a sport I have followed for 28 years. And I think this is something worth getting uppity about.

It's about ripping the already hard up boxing fan off. It's about value for money. And about promoters/sky taking the piss.

[The Insider]

PPV has never been about the under card IMO. I didn't buy or was never swayed by who was fighting on a Tyson, Lewis, Hatton etc card. I thought Eddie said that PPV was only ever going to be wheeled out to generate the huge amount of cash to make mega fights that couldn't be made otherwise. If you break the card down every fight is no more worthy than a top of the bill Friday Night Fight card.

[coneye]

Facts are its about GET REAL PEOPLE ,,, If anyone thinks that Hearns , sky , Warren, or any other mover or shaker , are about ANYTHING except money they are wrong .
They will put EVERY show they can on PPV and rip the public off , once caught out they will change and make it look like there doing you a favor , thats buisnes , there here to make money and thats all , Onced Fst Eddie has enough in the bank he'll walk away and probably never even watch another boxing bout ,

If you want to protest its simple DON'T BUY

[tobyh5]

False economy with short term gain which will cost long term profit.

Boxing is not a mainstream sport anymore with rare events capturing the imagination. Froch v Groves was a complete anomaly which they are over estimating to be indicative of interest in the sport. The best international fights are only available to hard core fans as they are on allegedly so that is limiting the showcasing of the fan to potential new fans (youth, casuals) and then most Sky Sports Fight Nights are either gimmes and overmatched journeymen padding the records of one of the starlets or decent domestic trade fights. None of which really draws in new fans.

Then, when we get a decent event we shuttle it off to PPV to complete the situation where our best advertising (great events and fights) are not showcased for new fans.

Will be continuing diminishing returns and continuing to marginalise the sport but as long as Eddie can get a new Bentley in the short term, everything is gravy right?

[MightyWarrior]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

[reggaereggae]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

I think maybe the fact that BN are owned by Newsquest now means that they have to toe the line more. Boxing Monthly is still independent I believe.

[mickey1975]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

They boycotted Fw shows under Claude.

[Sklar]

False economy with short term gain which will cost long term profit.

Boxing is not a mainstream sport anymore with rare events capturing the imagination. Froch v Groves was a complete anomaly which they are over estimating to be indicative of interest in the sport. The best international fights are only available to hard core fans as they are on allegedly so that is limiting the showcasing of the fan to potential new fans (youth, casuals) and then most Sky Sports Fight Nights are either gimmes and overmatched journeymen padding the records of one of the starlets or decent domestic trade fights. None of which really draws in new fans.

Then, when we get a decent event we shuttle it off to PPV to complete the situation where our best advertising (great events and fights) are not showcased for new fans.

Will be continuing diminishing returns and continuing to marginalise the sport but as long as Eddie can get a new Bentley in the short term, everything is gravy right?

Yet Floyd Mayweather, from ring earnings alone (no advertising revenue/golden handcuffs like most of the other bought and paid for sporting superstars) is by far the highest earning participant in the whole of sport. There's nothing like a big fight night, Toby.

[Boxing Prospect]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

Do we? Are we that stupid? Really?

The trade press is the magazine for fans at least a little bit in the know and we can see a turd with our own eyes.

That's not to say they can't do much better but we ain't stupid all the same.

The bigger shame is the general boxing press ignoring so many great fighters from around the world.

[Boxing Prospect]

False economy with short term gain which will cost long term profit.

Boxing is not a mainstream sport anymore with rare events capturing the imagination. Froch v Groves was a complete anomaly which they are over estimating to be indicative of interest in the sport. The best international fights are only available to hard core fans as they are on allegedly so that is limiting the showcasing of the fan to potential new fans (youth, casuals) and then most Sky Sports Fight Nights are either gimmes and overmatched journeymen padding the records of one of the starlets or decent domestic trade fights. None of which really draws in new fans.

Then, when we get a decent event we shuttle it off to PPV to complete the situation where our best advertising (great events and fights) are not showcased for new fans.

Will be continuing diminishing returns and continuing to marginalise the sport but as long as Eddie can get a new Bentley in the short term, everything is gravy right?

There was a COMPLETELY FREE card from Japan yesterday over ustream. No sign up, no nothing. No one on boxrec seemed to give two hoots. PPV is marginalising the sport but so are the fans who so often seem unable to care about the sport they claim they follow.

In Japan the sport is in a great condition with really talented youngsters emerging all over the place (Genki Hanai, Kosei Tanaka, Sho Nakazawa, Ryo Matsumoto, Rikki Naito) because people are interested in the sport...over here...hmm we have one or two promising young fighters.

Britain needs a new Hatton.

[MightyWarrior]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

Do we? Are we that stupid? Really?

The trade press is the magazine for fans at least a little bit in the know and we can see a turd with our own eyes.

That's not to say they can't do much better but we ain't stupid all the same.

The bigger shame is the general boxing press ignoring so many great fighters from around the world.

So the press shouldn't criticise promoters and TV channels, even when it's warranted, really ?

[MightyWarrior]

They boycotted Fw shows under Claude.

I think they criticised FW one time, and had their credentials withdrawn. Then kept pretty much in line afterwards

[Horse]

There was a COMPLETELY FREE card from Japan yesterday over ustream. No sign up, no nothing. No one on boxrec seemed to give two hoots. PPV is marginalising the sport but so are the fans who so often seem unable to care about the sport they claim they follow.

It wasn't worth watching.

[Boxing Prospect]

Haven't read it but can well imagine boxing News tiptoe around the issue. And to be fair, Abrams was just the same. He NEVER criticised those terrible allegedly Jo Calzaghe / Enzo cards and endless Ricky Hatton WBU mismatchs.
Harry Mullan certainly would have - he always criticised the terrible Mickey Duff BBC Frank Bruno mismatches. It's a shame Glyn's no longer around to take up the baton, I remember him saying allegedly offered him a free sub, but he turned it down, and rightfully so.

The fans rely on the trade press to speak out when things are wrong, and shamefully, it doesn't seem to be happening any more

Do we? Are we that stupid? Really?

The trade press is the magazine for fans at least a little bit in the know and we can see a turd with our own eyes.

That's not to say they can't do much better but we ain't stupid all the same.

The bigger shame is the general boxing press ignoring so many great fighters from around the world.

So the press shouldn't criticise promoters and TV channels, even when it's warranted, really ?

They should, they should cricitise the hell out of them, but on the flipside they should be talking about the lesser known guys. WE ALL KNOW this shouldn't be PPV. We don't need a magazine to tell us what we all know. Heck do magazines about bears tell us they shit in they shit in the woods? Dog magazines tell us that man's best friend barks?

Promoters do a lot worse than putting fights on PPV and at the end of the day, when no one buys it, they they feel the effect. When people stream the promoters lose out, promoters learning that we ain't paying for a turn teaches them we aren't stupid.

Promoters putting on 80/20 match ups as the bulk of their cards should be a bigger concern, as should the merry go round of eliminators rather than complaining about a PPV that will bomb and that we all know shouldn't be PPV.

[Sklar]

There was a COMPLETELY FREE card from Japan yesterday over ustream. No sign up, no nothing. No one on boxrec seemed to give two hoots. PPV is marginalising the sport but so are the fans who so often seem unable to care about the sport they claim they follow.

It wasn't worth watching.

Exactly. For all the talk of the love of the game, etc... boxing is first and foremost about personalities.

[Boxing Prospect]

There was a COMPLETELY FREE card from Japan yesterday over ustream. No sign up, no nothing. No one on boxrec seemed to give two hoots. PPV is marginalising the sport but so are the fans who so often seem unable to care about the sport they claim they follow.

It wasn't worth watching.

Out of interest, did you watch it?
Hisataka Vs Kogawa was REALLY good, the 8th round would have had Max Kellerman creaming his pants, several of the undercard bouts were great, Ishida and Ishii really impressed me and Kohama has a VERY misleading record considering the skills he showed.

[mickey1975]

They boycotted Fw shows under Claude.

I think they criticised FW one time, and had their credentials withdrawn. Then kept pretty much in line afterwards

They got stuck behind a ring post a long way back so boycotted the shows. I can't remember if it was connected but a letter from Fwank took up the full front page around that time.