I agree completely.Horse wrote:Joshua shouldn't be in a 50/50 or 60/40 fight at any point in 2015.
Personally i'm sick of watching boxing and watching mismatches. The equivalent in football for instance would manchester city being allowed to play Accrington stanley every week until the end of the season when they eventually play a top team. Also regarding risky fights and so on - isnt it risky for the guys who are completely outmatched and outgunned or does the the risk to them not matter as much?moogie101 wrote:I agree completely.Horse wrote:Joshua shouldn't be in a 50/50 or 60/40 fight at any point in 2015.
Whilst I see Joshua as a true genuine talent & future star he needs to be built up slowly. So sick of a guy having some success & everyone wants to rush him into risky fights immediately.
Not a bad opponent....but would prefer someone of his level that is relevant to the uk market like price or browne. Both similar levels to wach but much bigger fights.lefty wrote:What about Wach then? I'd definietly favour Joshua to win but I think it would be dangerous if he wasnt fully alert.rio wrote:Johnson would get rounds but poses little threat of an upset unless the fight is in the southern hemisphere! I class that as a 70/30 fight, but in all honesty don't really see it as competitive that's why a left it out the poll. Also i am sick of hearn bigging up an opponent saying he went 8 rounds with so and so, took so and so to a decision, you can see hearn bigging that fight up now.....the guy who went 12 rounds with klit, fury and chisora conviniently forgetting to mention he lost all 36 rounds! A-force is a 90/10 fight making it completely pointless fight, really has R1 ko written all over it and if that don't happen he will get criticized. Nothing to gain from that fight. I am only intrested in competitive fight for joshua where his opponent has a chance of winning. Hearn said he will win a title in 2016. Any of the opponents mentioned would be a great starting block to that goal
Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.
Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.black panther wrote:Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.
I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.
You sound like that Fergus guy.lefty wrote:Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.black panther wrote:Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.lefty wrote: How old was the Japanese Murata when he started boxing? Ps i dont particularily disagree with your viewpoint by the way.
I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.
Fergus is my uncle.....Riddick Blowe wrote:You sound like that Fergus guy.lefty wrote:Those are all valid points mate I agree. Dont get me wrong, i dont expect Joshua to be going in with the top dogs right now, I mean aside from Wlad. Guys like Price, Fury and so on. He does need to move his way up before that. However I do think the competition could be upped somewhat though. Atleast to guys who are gonna likely go the full distance or into the later rounds. Like a Guinn or a Johnson or someone like that. Ps i'm determined to find someone who started boxing late and fought good competiton early on just to be a pain in the ass ;) haha.black panther wrote:
Murata started boxing when he was 11 years old mate (first year of junior high i.e year 7) and had an amateur record of 119–18.
I'm also sick of mismatches mate but Joshua has to make it out of the first league and championship before he can play in the premier league.
Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.Bandit wrote:Kevin Johnson
He's top 30 in the world with a good chin and defence. He would be a tough opponent for Joshua.rio wrote:Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.
He's not a tough opponent for joshua, he's loses every round just like he does everytime he faces a top opponentHorse wrote:He's top 30 in the world with a good chin and defence. He would be a tough opponent for Joshua.rio wrote:Why anyone would want to see this fight is beyond me. Did you not see him fight fury, chisora and klit? He hardly threw a punch and came to go the distance not win.
He won rounds against Charr and Hammer (I thought he deserved the decision against Hammer).rio wrote:He's not a tough opponent for joshua, he's loses every round just like he does everytime he faces a top opponent
black panther wrote:Yes rio you are correct in that sense but:
1. The middleweight division is a lot deeper than the heavyweight division
2. You've ignored my point about Degale having started boxing at a much younger age and having far more amateur bouts.
Joshua only had around 34 contests; Degale had 95.
I’m not trying to have a go mate but rather trying to make you understand the difference between starting boxing at 10 years old compared to 18 years old.
It takes years to master the finer nuances of boxing; many never do. Degale at the same stage in his career was far more developed than Joshua in terms of technique, punch repertoire, defensive manoeuvres etc. Also, regardless of the stats/records on paper, each boxer is an individual and need to be treated as such. You need to assess where they are in terms of conditioning, technique, mentality, tactical nous etc. and develop accordingly.
Hope this helps expand my point.
Calling me an idiot completely validates your point Sir well done. I guess that means every single boxer who won an Olympic Gold Medal is on the same level as Muhammed Ali and Ray Leonard. That's fantastic news.the truth wrote:black panther wrote:Yes rio you are correct in that sense but:
1. The middleweight division is a lot deeper than the heavyweight division
2. You've ignored my point about Degale having started boxing at a much younger age and having far more amateur bouts.
Joshua only had around 34 contests; Degale had 95.
I’m not trying to have a go mate but rather trying to make you understand the difference between starting boxing at 10 years old compared to 18 years old.
It takes years to master the finer nuances of boxing; many never do. Degale at the same stage in his career was far more developed than Joshua in terms of technique, punch repertoire, defensive manoeuvres etc. Also, regardless of the stats/records on paper, each boxer is an individual and need to be treated as such. You need to assess where they are in terms of conditioning, technique, mentality, tactical nous etc. and develop accordingly.
Hope this helps expand my point.
This doesn't mean anything , the both Olympic gold medalists so there on the same level regardless of bouts boxed, idiot
Riveting.Horse wrote:My 2 year plan for Joshua would be something like this:
2014
November - Michael Sprott
2015
January - Derric Rossy
March - Sam Sexton (British)
April - Richard Towers
June - Gary Cornish
July - Ian Lewison
September - Lucas Browne (Commonwealth)
October - Alex Leapai
December - Kevin Johnson
2016
January - Odlanier Solis
March - Erkan Teper (European?)
May - Francesco Pianeta
July - Ruslan Chagaev (WBA Regular?)
September - David Price
December - Dereck Chisora
Can you expand on that?lefty wrote:Riveting.