Do you agree with Marvin Hagler that DeLaHoya was robbed...

[littlepug]

Yeah its swings and roundabouts must admit have never liked Oscars style maybe I've scored rounds to the other fella based on that without me realising it and if I'm doing that then the judges are only human too aren't they ? remember trying to make a case for Benn winning against both lenzie Morgan and malinga cos I was a fan but I knew really he was gifted both those fights

[SenorPipino]

Oscar has given varying accounts as to why he began the track meet midway through the 9th round.

He usually insists that he was pitching a shutout after 8 rounds and fought defensively to preserve the decision.

However, a few days after the bout, DLH reviewed a tape of it with a boxing reporter from the L.A. Times.
In that interview Oscar said he was dead tired starting in the 9th, and danced the rest of the bout away because he couldn't fight any longer and didn't want to risk standing still and getting hammered by the heavy-hitting Trinidad.

Since Oscar would begin gaining a reputation for fading late in matches, I believe his remarks in the Times are probably his most honest assessment of what happened in those late rounds. It wasn't really a "prevent-defense" strategy, he was simply out of gas.

[Ambling Alp II]

His trainer (Gil Clancy) told him that he had the decision in the bag and that he should run; which is of course horrible advice. Heard him say it between rounds on HBO's broadcast.

[littlepug]

Think it really disrespects the sport, the fans and the champs of the past when boxers get on their bike cos they think they got enough points in the bag

[BoxBuzz]

So it shows more respect to the sport, if, when you have the fight sewn up, (not being specific to this fight) that you throw out caution and not just take the win?


I guess I don't agree, though I do agree that it is not as entertaining.

[littlepug]

Not saying you should throw caution but you should still try and control the fight by at least trying to outbox the other guy and win the fight on merit, defend your title like it means something to ya or rip the title outta the champs hands

[Seamus]

I could accept an argument that Oscar just edged it by a pt, and I wouldn't even consider a guy nuts if he had him ahead by 2, but a robbery ? For that to happen he would have to have won by about 4 pts in my estimation, and I just can't see a case for that. I scored it twice now and don't think the scoring was that inaccurate.

[BoxBuzz]

It does seem quite odd that such a fight was unanimous though.

[Seamus]

It wasn't. It was a majority decision.

[BoxBuzz]

If so then it's the luck of the draw when a fight is allowed to be close when it likely did not have to be.

Tito must have been very happy....and probably embarrassed. Since he's a fairly honorable fella.

Did one judge have it a draw? Or had DLH winning? Obviously I forgot. lol

[man]

113-115, 114-115, 114-114

btw the judge who had tito up by two points
gave him the first round, if i recall correctly.
larry merchant had the first even, letterman
gave it to oscar.

if you look at this first round with muted
comments you can see it was not the boxing
class oscar says it was. yes, he was bouncing,
but that is not the same as outboxing, it just
means you can manage to stay out of range.
not a terrible great achievement in my book,
especially not in the first round.

[Tomasino]

113-115, 114-115, 114-114

btw the judge who had tito up by two points
gave him the first round, if i recall correctly.
larry merchant had the first even, letterman
gave it to oscar.

if you look at this first round with muted
comments you can see it was not the boxing
class oscar says it was. yes, he was bouncing,
but that is not the same as outboxing, it just
means you can manage to stay out of range.
not a terrible great achievement in my book,
especially not in the first round.

Dave Lettermans scorecard was announced?

[Ambling Alp II]

I believe Paul Shaffer scored the fight for De la hoya.

[Seamus]

Looking back at old threads it appears more guys thought Tito won or got a draw then I remembered.

[BoxBuzz]

I just watched this fight twice, both with only the fight, no comments.

I scored it both times for DLH.......HOWEVER.

I watched it from round 12 back to Round 1 the second time. (Not in reverse action, but beginning with round 12 and going back to round 1.)

I happened to score it the same way both times. I'm guessing those who thought Tito won, would score it for DLH if viewed from 12 to 1.

(This based on the feedback that the Trinidad supporters are giving.)



You just can not penalize a boxer (or a team) for winning the first half in a bigger way than the second half. lol.

So I'm not convinced that Tito deserved this, simply because DLH forced him to be so ineffective in the final rounds, while staying out of harms way.

The only imaginable way this can go Tito's way are if some rounds are more important OR not as important to some depending on where they are placed within the fight.


I'm guessing none of these judges look back on this as their best work.