stanley ketchel died 104 years and 1 day ago

[stevedoc]

it just seems a hell of a long time ago for people to still be talking about him i wonder if in a hundred years people will talk about golovkin or ward ....

[The Great John L]

it just seems a hell of a long time ago for people to still be talking about him i wonder if in a hundred years people will talk about golovkin or ward ....

I wonder if anyone will be talking about boxing as we know it in a hundred years.

[HomicideHenry]

The thought that crosses my mind at times is, if you could bring boxing fans from the turn of the 20th century into modern times... would they actually enjoy modern boxing, or would they consider it rather boring?

Considering how brutal, bloody, and long alot of matches were then--- its almost hard for me to imagine that they would hold anyone to any great esteem as champion today. Champions in our time seem to dictate every single detail of a fight--- down to the gloves, trunks, shoes, etc. I could easily see Mayweather balking at the prospect of having to use 3 ounce gloves, and fighting in an outdoor arena in 100 degree heat against someone like Sam Langford. Hell, to be honest, I would see Mayweather bitching about those kind of conditions, if it was even against a complete bum.

[Caractacus]

Yeah,but who's counting?
LOL

[Datsue]

"Shot in the back by the common-law husband of the lady who was cooking his breakfast."

[klompton]

"Shot in the back by the common-law husband of the lady who was cooking his breakfast."

She wasnt his common law wife, in fact they had only met about two weeks prior on the road and it was basically just a robbery by two trashy people, one a near-do-well who had only recently gone awol from the navy and the other a women who had been living a life of such ill repute in Kansas that the court had removed her children from her care.

[Caractacus]

I wonder what Stanley Ketchel had for breakfast that morning?
Probably Cream of Wheat since his manager had already made his teeth into some dice.

[Tomasino]

I wonder what Stanley Ketchel had for breakfast that morning?
Probably Cream of Wheat since his manager had already made his teeth into some dice.

Hi Duchess

[HomicideHenry]

I wonder what Stanley Ketchel had for breakfast that morning?
Probably Cream of Wheat since his manager had already made his teeth into some dice.

Been reading alot on the case... was a rather unusual one, to say the least... perhaps the most bizarre element of the case was Dipley's lawyer arguing the point of Ketchell's parentage ('Who was his father?') citing that R.P. Dickerson was Ketchel's father (the champ's mom refused to answer the question in court whether it was true or not)... regardless was a truly senseless tragedy, which only shows the depravity of human nature all the way around.

HOWEVER @ "I wonder what Ketchell had for breakfast that morning?", according to THIS website, which is a transcript of the events that allegedly transpired on that fateful day...

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodica ... ow603d.htm

From what Dipley and Smith (the commonlaw marriage couple) stated, Dipley went out hunting and when he came back Smith was acting "strangely" and she asked if they could leave the premises and go to live elsewhere, and when he questioned her as to why, she claimed that Ketchell had forced her to have sex with him. This apparently was the motive for the killing of the middleweight champion.

(Sadly, it doesnt say what Ketchel had for breakfast that morning, though it does mention the night before he and Smith and Dipley ate fried chicken).

[Caractacus]

That sort of reminds me to the lyrics to a song from way back in the 1960's.

"You men you eat your dinner,
eat your pork and beans,
I eat more chicken than any man ever seen".

The Doors-Back Door Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf3KG8VAtJg

[Caractacus]

Oh yeah,another myth that the putz Ken Burns is still trying to propogate in his dumbazz documetery
UNFORGIVAVBLE BLACKNESS.
Is the myth that Stanley Ketchel "Double-crossed' Jack Johnson
in their fight in Colma California.
when in fact it has been well documented that it was Jack Johnson's idea
to go to the canvas in order to get more people's bums into the seats of the cinema,
because Johnson had a financil interest in the box-office film rights.
his sparring partner Denver Jack O'Keefe said some years later admitted to newspapers
that he was in San francisco with Jack Johnson practicing the knockdown.
Also im pretty sure Jack Johnson himself admitted to this in his own 1927 autobiography
that the knockdown was pre-planned and that Ketchel had no idea that it was goin to happen.

so actually it was Stanley Ketchel who was tricked.
as a matter of fact in the book by Geoffrey Ward he talks about this,but
Ken Burns didnt want it known on his PBS documentery.

There was a long thread on this several years ago here.

[The Great John L]

Oh yeah,another myth that the putz Ken Burns is still trying to propogate in his dumbazz documetery
UNFORGIVAVBLE BLACKNESS.
Is the myth that Stanley Ketchel "Double-crossed' Jack Johnson
in their fight in Colma California.
when in fact it has been well documented that it was Jack Johnson's idea
to go to the canvas in order to get more people's bums into the seats of the cinema,
because Johnson had a financil interest in the box-office film rights.
his sparring partner Denver Ed Martin said some years later
that he was in San francisco with Jack Johnson practicing the knockdown.
Also im pretty sure Jack Johnson himself admitted to this in his own 1927 autobiography
that the knockdown was pre-planned and that Ketchel had no idea that it was goin to happen.

so actually it was Stanley Ketchel who was tricked.
as a matter of fact in the book by Geoffrey Ward he talks about this,but
Ken Burns didnt want it known on his PBS documentery.

There was a long thread on this several years ago here.

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How does planning to fake a KD in a fight help sell tickets for the fight?

[Datsue]

"Shot in the back by the common-law husband of the lady who was cooking his breakfast."

She wasnt his common law wife, in fact they had only met about two weeks prior on the road and it was basically just a robbery by two trashy people, one a near-do-well who had only recently gone awol from the navy and the other a women who had been living a life of such ill repute in Kansas that the court had removed her children from her care.

It's a John Lardner quote; I assume that in the time & atmosphere Lardner was writing, to put "Shot in the back by a backstabbing manipulative bitch & her fuckbuddy" would not have flown, but thank you for the back-story.

[Caractacus]

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How does planning to fake a KD in a fight help sell tickets for the fight?

$$$$$ To later get behinds into the seats at the cinema,
so some some people can go back time again and again to see how Jack Johnson was'almost'knocked out.
Jack Johnson's mama didnt raise no fool.

[Tomasino]

??

How does planning to fake a KD in a fight help sell tickets for the fight?

$$$$$ To later get behinds into the seats at the cinema,
so some some people can go back time again and again to see how Jack Johnson was'almost'knocked out.
Jack Johnson's mama didnt raise no fool.

Lol

[Caractacus]

??

How does planning to fake a KD in a fight help sell tickets for the fight?

$$$$$ To later get behinds into the seats at the cinema,
so some some people can go back time again and again to see how Jack Johnson was'almost'knocked out.
Jack Johnson's mama didnt raise no fool.

Lol

what u laffin about?
Its true.
didnt you know that Jack Johnson had a finacial interest and
part of the contract was that he was to be the distributor of his fights on film in foreign countries?
aint you read the account in his 1927 autobiography
concerning what happened to the fight film of him and Jess Willard?

[L.A. kidd]

well , if its true that Johnson went down intentionally just for the cameras,
does that take away from the greatness of ketchel, maybe ketchel wasn't as
great as some once thought.