GGG wants Miguel Cotto

[ikorolev]

I can see Floyd going for the fight - as good as GGG is, Floyd really does seem to believe he's on a different level to everyone else.

I think the Pacman not happening was a case of two huge ego's getting in the way of one another, and the fact that Arum doesn't want it to happen.

I think GGG would know the fight is his biggest chance at stardom, and that if he does lose to Floyd, then so what, he's losing to an ATG and future hall of famer. That being the case, I think he would bend over backwards to make the fight happen, knowing he has a better chance of winning, than anyone Floyd has faced since his early career.

I wouldn't discount Floyd taking the fight, nor winning it - Floyd is an absolute master at nullifying his opponent's advantages, he would undoubtedly win ugly if he did win, but I for one wouldn't be that surprised.

Golovkin for all his impressive series of knockouts, has not faced anyone even remotely as talented and skilled as Floyd, and whilst he would have all the physical advantages of size, strength and youth, he'd be in deep technically, as skilled as GGG is, there's nobody else out there, aside from perhaps Rigondeux who is as skilful.

If Floyd won, especially if it was at 160, it would be a legacy defining fight, and Floyd definitely wants to be remembered as one of the greatest ever.

I see this one as a bit like Leonard coming out of retirement to beat the bigger, stronger Hagler - Floyd will possibly be able to see enough there that he can exploit, to take on the young lion. If he does, and there's enough money on offer, I can honestly see this fight happening.

I'm sure you all think I'm mad, but there it is.

Haymon doesn't allow Quillin to fight GGG. Why would he advise Floyd to do so ?

[tiny_acres]

I can see Floyd going for the fight - as good as GGG is, Floyd really does seem to believe he's on a different level to everyone else.

I think the Pacman not happening was a case of two huge ego's getting in the way of one another, and the fact that Arum doesn't want it to happen.

I think GGG would know the fight is his biggest chance at stardom, and that if he does lose to Floyd, then so what, he's losing to an ATG and future hall of famer. That being the case, I think he would bend over backwards to make the fight happen, knowing he has a better chance of winning, than anyone Floyd has faced since his early career.

I wouldn't discount Floyd taking the fight, nor winning it - Floyd is an absolute master at nullifying his opponent's advantages, he would undoubtedly win ugly if he did win, but I for one wouldn't be that surprised.

Golovkin for all his impressive series of knockouts, has not faced anyone even remotely as talented and skilled as Floyd, and whilst he would have all the physical advantages of size, strength and youth, he'd be in deep technically, as skilled as GGG is, there's nobody else out there, aside from perhaps Rigondeux who is as skilful.

If Floyd won, especially if it was at 160, it would be a legacy defining fight, and Floyd definitely wants to be remembered as one of the greatest ever.

I see this one as a bit like Leonard coming out of retirement to beat the bigger, stronger Hagler - Floyd will possibly be able to see enough there that he can exploit, to take on the young lion. If he does, and there's enough money on offer, I can honestly see this fight happening.

I'm sure you all think I'm mad, but there it is.

You also just posted this quote
Cotto just isn't big enough. If I were Roach I would insist that it was at a catchweight. Cotto wasn't even big at Junior Middle, and started at 140 - if GGG wants the scalp bad enough, he will have to expect to have to make concessions. It's a gamble, but beating Cotto would make him something a lot closer to a household name.

I've no interest in seeing Cotto getting smashed by GGG - he's taken enough lumps in his career, and I applaud him from managing to bounce back from the terrible mauling he took from cheating scumbag Margarito - I don't think he's ever quite been the same, but he's gone on to have a very impressive late career nonetheless.

Now where I am confused is Floyd started at 130 as where you say Cotto is too small who started at 140.
Cotto has not fought below 154 since 2009
Floyd has only fought 3 times above 147 in his career.Never weighing more than 151.
If Cotto is too small then Floyd is way too small for GGG.

[palooka]

Both Cotto and Floyd are too small for Golovkin; Cotto did really well v Martinez and they will have to be very careful who they match him with at middleweight. Floyd is a master but they couldn't make the ring big enough for him to avoid Golovkin. Gennady is a rugged and solid middleweight with hands like trip hammers - he'll do some real damage over the next few years and boxers coming to the end of their careers will risk getting ruined by him.

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Cotto is not a middleweight, despite holding a 'world' title.

As good as he has been during his career, getting into the ring with a 160lb killer like Golovkin would be foolhardy in the extreme.

[tiny_acres]

There is not 1 serious threat to GGG at 160.He needs to move up to 168.

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There is not 1 serious threat to GGG at 160.He needs to move up to 168.

Agreed.

He's practically wiped out the MW division & there are some serious players up at SMW, so he should consider it definitely.

[Ricky_]

Golovkin is a very impressive and destructive boxer, we are lucky to watch him - he may turn out to be a very rare boxer.

Everything is does impresses me. He cuts the ring off like an anaconda and sets up his punches long before he lands them, if you lower your guard weary of those left hooks to the body then he'll chop your temple, exactly like he did to Rubio before landing the right uppercut that effectively finished him.

If GGG gets the opponents he can go down in history.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I can see Floyd going for the fight - as good as GGG is, Floyd really does seem to believe he's on a different level to everyone else.

I think the Pacman not happening was a case of two huge ego's getting in the way of one another, and the fact that Arum doesn't want it to happen.

I think GGG would know the fight is his biggest chance at stardom, and that if he does lose to Floyd, then so what, he's losing to an ATG and future hall of famer. That being the case, I think he would bend over backwards to make the fight happen, knowing he has a better chance of winning, than anyone Floyd has faced since his early career.

I wouldn't discount Floyd taking the fight, nor winning it - Floyd is an absolute master at nullifying his opponent's advantages, he would undoubtedly win ugly if he did win, but I for one wouldn't be that surprised.

Golovkin for all his impressive series of knockouts, has not faced anyone even remotely as talented and skilled as Floyd, and whilst he would have all the physical advantages of size, strength and youth, he'd be in deep technically, as skilled as GGG is, there's nobody else out there, aside from perhaps Rigondeux who is as skilful.

If Floyd won, especially if it was at 160, it would be a legacy defining fight, and Floyd definitely wants to be remembered as one of the greatest ever.

I see this one as a bit like Leonard coming out of retirement to beat the bigger, stronger Hagler - Floyd will possibly be able to see enough there that he can exploit, to take on the young lion. If he does, and there's enough money on offer, I can honestly see this fight happening.

I'm sure you all think I'm mad, but there it is.

You also just posted this quote
Cotto just isn't big enough. If I were Roach I would insist that it was at a catchweight. Cotto wasn't even big at Junior Middle, and started at 140 - if GGG wants the scalp bad enough, he will have to expect to have to make concessions. It's a gamble, but beating Cotto would make him something a lot closer to a household name.

I've no interest in seeing Cotto getting smashed by GGG - he's taken enough lumps in his career, and I applaud him from managing to bounce back from the terrible mauling he took from cheating scumbag Margarito - I don't think he's ever quite been the same, but he's gone on to have a very impressive late career nonetheless.

Now where I am confused is Floyd started at 130 as where you say Cotto is too small who started at 140.
Cotto has not fought below 154 since 2009
Floyd has only fought 3 times above 147 in his career.Never weighing more than 151.
If Cotto is too small then Floyd is way too small for GGG.

Floyd has a style that makes weight less important.

Cotto has always been pretty easy to hit, even back at 140.

Floyd may have started at 130, but he has defensive skills that enable him to compete with naturally bigger men - Cotto does not.

Cotto's style relies to a large extent on his ability to fight in the pocket with people, and trade blows, obviously, against a big middleweight like GGG, who has a serious edge in power, that is likely to get him hurt. Cotto has always been easy to hit, he moves well, but his defence is porous.

I think it is possible however, that Floyd, despite being the smaller man, could spoil, pick and poke against Golovkin, and pull of a points victory - it would be a tough ask, but stranger things have happened in boxing, and Floyd would only take the fight, if he figured there was a weakness he could exploit.

As good as GGG is, experience, speed and finesse count for a lot. Floyd may have lost a step, but he's far from past it, and nowhere near shot. He trains like a demon, and lives well, he's got miles on the clock for sure, but he's never taken a single beating in his career.

I'm not saying Floyd would win, we may never find out for sure, just saying I would give him a chance - he would certainly have a better chance at 154, and I think GGG might be tempted. There's no bigger scalp in world boxing than Mayweather's, and it is an instant ticket to superstardom being the guy that ended the unbeaten streak of Floyd Jr.

[KBB]

Didn't Gennady Golovkin enter the ring weighing 173lb against Rubio, whilst Cotto weighed only 155lbs when he whooped Martinez?

Therefore, it's not unreasonable for Freddie Roach and the rest of team Cotto to demand a catch-weight limit if they chose to fight Golovkin (if they are very fortunate enough to secure a victory over Canelo next May).

It's still surprises me that people are even mentioning Mayweather's name as a potential GGG opponent, when he's contracted to rival TV network Showtime and he typically enters the ring weighing only 148lbs.

Golovkin-Mayweather at 154lb is a fair matchup. You could even argue that it advantages Floyd as he's fought in that division before while GGG has not. GGG would undoubtedly be the bigger, stronger fighter in the ring, but considering he was 173lb on fight night against Rubio, draining to 154lb may affect his performance.

Cotto weighed in at 155lb against Martinez at the weigh in but he would have been substantially heavier on fight night (which makes me wonder why he would drain so far if it weren't necessary to make weight). He's been as much as 167lb on fight night while campaigning at light middleweight. Cotto holds a belt at middleweight, so they should fight at 160lb, but we all know there's no way that's going to happen.

Golovkin vs Ward at 165 is a fair fight too but I don't see anyone mentioning that!! And if GGG can come in on fight night vs Rubio at 173 then he should be able to make the 168 limit vs Ward with no catchweight issues or being drained either.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

I can see Floyd going for the fight - as good as GGG is, Floyd really does seem to believe he's on a different level to everyone else.

I think the Pacman not happening was a case of two huge ego's getting in the way of one another, and the fact that Arum doesn't want it to happen.

I think GGG would know the fight is his biggest chance at stardom, and that if he does lose to Floyd, then so what, he's losing to an ATG and future hall of famer. That being the case, I think he would bend over backwards to make the fight happen, knowing he has a better chance of winning, than anyone Floyd has faced since his early career.

I wouldn't discount Floyd taking the fight, nor winning it - Floyd is an absolute master at nullifying his opponent's advantages, he would undoubtedly win ugly if he did win, but I for one wouldn't be that surprised.

Golovkin for all his impressive series of knockouts, has not faced anyone even remotely as talented and skilled as Floyd, and whilst he would have all the physical advantages of size, strength and youth, he'd be in deep technically, as skilled as GGG is, there's nobody else out there, aside from perhaps Rigondeux who is as skilful.

If Floyd won, especially if it was at 160, it would be a legacy defining fight, and Floyd definitely wants to be remembered as one of the greatest ever.

I see this one as a bit like Leonard coming out of retirement to beat the bigger, stronger Hagler - Floyd will possibly be able to see enough there that he can exploit, to take on the young lion. If he does, and there's enough money on offer, I can honestly see this fight happening.

I'm sure you all think I'm mad, but there it is.

You also just posted this quote
Cotto just isn't big enough. If I were Roach I would insist that it was at a catchweight. Cotto wasn't even big at Junior Middle, and started at 140 - if GGG wants the scalp bad enough, he will have to expect to have to make concessions. It's a gamble, but beating Cotto would make him something a lot closer to a household name.

I've no interest in seeing Cotto getting smashed by GGG - he's taken enough lumps in his career, and I applaud him from managing to bounce back from the terrible mauling he took from cheating scumbag Margarito - I don't think he's ever quite been the same, but he's gone on to have a very impressive late career nonetheless.

Now where I am confused is Floyd started at 130 as where you say Cotto is too small who started at 140.
Cotto has not fought below 154 since 2009
Floyd has only fought 3 times above 147 in his career.Never weighing more than 151.
If Cotto is too small then Floyd is way too small for GGG.

I don't need to see that fight, but keep in mind Floyd beat Cotto at 154, and holds a bunch of belts at 154, including lineal

[ponch]

GGG's right to call out the other 160 'champs', but Cotto wouldn't beat the best at 154, let alone 160. The only outcome I'd like to see there is Cotto vacating.

As for GGG, not sure how long I can be excited about him if he doesn't get any really decent opponents to take it to the next level. Cool guy and fun style, but I'd like to know more.

[Ricky_]

GGG should be screaming for the Ward fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNeJ6RX ... e&t=12m25s


He'd easily knock him out inside 4 and Ward is desperate for a few dollars because in the words of Floyd, he couldn't sell a ticket to his mother.

[ReggieDiggs]

Of course he wants Miguel. Everybody @ 160 wants Miguel. Thats the middleweight version of a Floyd $$$ fight plus its gonna increase the number of people who know who you are. He won't get him before Saul unless Saul changes his plans.

[ikorolev]

I cannot see Cotto accepting a fight against Golovkin without imposing a strict catch-weight stipulation.

To be honest, whilst GGG’s popularity is increasing, Miguel would probably earn far more money fighting the likes of Canelo Alvarez, Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao.

To be honest, I feel that the 160lb weight-class is going through a period of transition, because the majority of the fighters comprising the top ten are classed as veterans that are past-their-prime, carry long-terms injuries or have been recently defeated.

The other guys in the top-15 are either affiliated to Al Haymon, or they’re anonymous, which means that some of these men cannot be considered as viable opponents or it’s extremely difficult to gain a decent payday against fighters that carry no prestige.

I believe the time is right for Gennady Golovkin to move up to the 168lb weight class, because with the exception of Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham, there are a lot of young hungry lions competing in the super-middleweight division that would present Golovkin with a much better challenge and probably bigger paydays.

I feel that in order for team GGG to continue gaining fast momentum for mainstream recognition, they need to match Golovkin with challenging opponents that will allow him to prove his talent and also fulfil his potential, because Rubio, Geale and Macklin simply don’t make the grade.

Let’s not forget that even the media are undermining Golovkin’s feats, because when I watched the fight on Box-Nation, Steve Bunce et al constantly referred to the calibre of opposition he’s faced… even Max Kellerman said the following to GGG during to post-fight interview:

“Gennady, we’ve seen you destroy all the contender middleweights who are NOT elite middleweights.”

How many times are casual boxing observers going to tolerate the calibre of opposition that Golovkin faces, when even the TV networks are openly undermining the quality of opponents he is fighting?

At what point do the masses eventually start switching off, because no excitement that can be gained from watching a contest where the result is inevitable, because the man sharing the ring with GGG is not considered as a worthy challenger?

Or he could go down to 154, demolish a few people there and scare some others to move up. Then he could return to 160 and clean it again.

[ReggieDiggs]

Let’s not forget that even the media are undermining Golovkin’s feats, because when I watched the fight on Box-Nation, Steve Bunce et al constantly referred to the calibre of opposition he’s faced… even Max Kellerman said the following to GGG during to post-fight interview:

“Gennady, we’ve seen you destroy all the contender middleweights who are NOT elite middleweights.”

How many times are casual boxing observers going to tolerate the calibre of opposition that Golovkin faces, when even the TV networks are openly undermining the quality of opponents he is fighting?

At what point do the masses eventually start switching off, because no excitement that can be gained from watching a contest where the result is inevitable, because the man sharing the ring with GGG is not considered as a worthy challenger?

The boxing media gots to be the most glass half empty mfers in sport. Someone needs to read these silly bitches a Zig Ziglar or Tony Robbins book or something.

Having said that GGG has a subpar resume for where he's @, but idk that theres anything that couldve been done for that. He was in that spot for awhile where he was more risk than the upside in beating him that a few guys are @ in any division @ any given point in time. Keith Thurman is a good example of that right now @ 147.

The boxing media needs to quit sh!tting on guys & hype guys for f#cks sake, in particular announcers who call the fights. Most are f#cking haters to one degree or another. Give me Al Bernstein & Sean O'Grady type cats all day who can still be real about a guy & critical of him, but spin things in a more positive light to give boxing a more favorable look for the people watching. If the boxing announcer strategy was used in other sports the 2nd question during a interview would be some backhanded compliment.

Also while I'm pet peeving about the dumb boxing media can we quit asking guys a thousand mfing times who they are fighting next right after a fight. They just fought you silly bitch obviously they don't know who or when they will fight next this sh!t takes time to line up & all kinds of things are in play that can make or break a fight being made. This is the most hack thing I see guys do & they almost always get sh!t answers yet keep doing this thing that gives them sh!t answers.

[beatdown337]

GGG is saying he wants Miguel and as was stated earlier, he's doing right by calling him out. But the fact is that 1.) There is no way in hell Miguel has any interest in having his a** get put on the canvas by gennday. Because EVERYBODY knows that is exactly whats gonna happen. 2.) canelo is going to take the middleweight belt from cotto early next year anyway.

The interesting question then becomes will ggg end up fighting canelo for the middleweight title. Honestly I don't see canelo running from the challenge.

[Ricky_]

GGG is saying he wants Miguel and as was stated earlier, he's doing right by calling him out. But the fact is that 1.) There is no way in hell Miguel has any interest in having his a** get put on the canvas by gennday. Because EVERYBODY knows that is exactly whats gonna happen. 2.) canelo is going to take the middleweight belt from cotto early next year anyway.

The interesting question then becomes will ggg end up fighting canelo for the middleweight title. Honestly I don't see canelo running from the challenge.

Golovkin could rip Cotto or Canelo apart inside a round if he felt like fighting like Mike Tyson. Against Rubio his corner were actually asking Golovkin to take4 or 5 rounds to try some things out and expirement a little, but he decided to go out and blitz Rubio in R2 instead.

And just on a separate point, i remember Rubio bitching that Chavez Jr weighed 181 against him a few fights back, and IIRC he even floated the idea of suing him, well he did the same thing to Golovkin, he weighed in at 181 thinking blowing up would perhaps give him an advantage.... hypocrite. At least kid Chavez made 160.

[ikorolev]

GGG needs to stop being nice towards guys avoiding him and start calling them names.

I am also getting tired about "I understand my situation" which GGG keeps saying. What situation ? Some kind of slave contract ? If not, he should start demanding better fights and refuse to fight Adamas.

[man]

don't want to see this. golovkin seems special and
miguel is naturally a much smaller man and on his
way out. don't want to see a massacre.

[reggaereggae]

Cotto would get brutalised by GGG

[Badhusker]

I think it will be GGG vs Murray in February, Cotto vs Canelo in May. Hopefully early fall we will see GGG vs the winner. Arum claims that Bradley may face the Cotto/Canelo winner instead? Hope not....even though he probably could make a decent fight with either.

[ikorolev]

I think it will be GGG vs Murray in February, Cotto vs Canelo in May. Hopefully early fall we will see GGG vs the winner. Arum claims that Bradley may face the Cotto/Canelo winner instead? Hope not....even though he probably could make a decent fight with either.

Arum is hoping that Cotto is the winner. Then Bradley will probably be next for Cotto. If Canelo wins, I hope he fights GGG.

[VG_Addict]

Maybe it's just me, but I think GGG already has a good resume. He beat Stevens, Rosado, Rubio, Macklin, and Geale, all of whom were top 10 contenders.

[tiny_acres]

Maybe I am crazy.But if Canelo beats Cotto. Which I think he will.Oscar would not risk
his only cash cow against GGG.If Canelo losses,again I think he would lose.Where does that
leave Golden Boy Promotions?They have no one that can draw the big bucks.
Another loss by Canelo against an elite fighter and his stock drops drastically.

[palooka]

His stock would drop but it depends how he lost and what sort of a battle he put up against a naturally bigger man.