Does Lee Selby beat Walters?

[Yes We Can]

It all depends if Selby actually has power to keep Walters Honest or not.

I think Lee could make it very close, but I'm going off instinct more than what I've seen of the 2 so far.

Walters will take more out the first 2 rounds of the Donaire fight than any other bout he's had so far.

[lefty]

I posted this in the thread where you said that Selby would beat Walters, Lomachenko, Gonzalez, Mares, and Rigo:

While Selby could possibly beat Walters you're sounding an awful lot like you did for Kovalev-Clev, even down to the 'come back when' bit. I know one should adress the content of an argument and not its source, but I suspect that your lofty and confident predictions have something to do with factors other than how good the boxers are and how their styles mesh.

Walters is fairly basic, but his jab is good, he's tenacious, and he's quite a good puncher even when not optimally positioned. Selby tends to lay back and be overly passive, and I could easily see Walters putting him into a shell and gradually busting him up. Selby is a skillful fighter who has impressed me thus far, but he needs to show me that he can win impressively at a higher level before I pick him over Walters, let alone every fighter in the division.

I agree with you in parts I thought Cleverly would have enough if he stuck to a gameplan of boxing (which he didn't) and nobody knew how good Kovalev actually was/could be. I think Walters is just too basic that Selby would do a Brook v Porter job on him.

Cleverly never has been that good of a 'boxer' though. That's the problem. Kovalev probably has better boxing ability than Cleverly does. He didnt really need to show it that much in that fight either.

[Counter-puncher]

Good stuff lefty.
i actually think even enzo macc, in the frenkel fight before tragically reverting to type and getting banjoed, also against braithwaite, has shown better boxing skills than clev ever has

[brian13]

Walters wins easy, when you KO and win that easily against a fighter like Donaire. Selby ain't getting near him and will be beaten.

[lefty]

Good stuff lefty.
i actually think even enzo macc, in the frenkel fight before tragically reverting to type and getting banjoed, also against braithwaite, has shown better boxing skills than clev ever has

It's funny that you mention Frenkel. It's a shame what happened to him. He looked like he was destined for a pretty decent career and then apparantly got afflicted with depression and stopped turning up for training, lost a lot of weight and didnt seem like the same guy anymore from what i've read. It's sad.

[Counter-puncher]

He was getting roundly outboxed by enzo, i don't think world boxing lost another star from the firmament there *wink emoticon*

[lefty]

He was getting roundly outboxed by enzo, i don't think world boxing lost another star from the firmament there *wink emoticon*

Lol. True but then Froch has probably had a better career than a lot of people would of predicted based on pure boxing ability. He had the other tangibles like a great chin, great stamina, good power and so on that made him beat guys that in terms of straight up talent he was lesser than. Frenkel had to take his licks in that fight getting the brutal knockout so you never know, he could of made up for the lack of staight up boxing ability with other assets.

[crusader]

Enzo was taking Frenkel to school before the stoppage. At times he looked the best he had in years, but there was always that sense for me that he was going to get caught. Sometimes it can be frustrating to see a guy box so well over several rounds only to lose the fight within a matter of seconds like that, but at the same time it's something that makes boxing special to me.

[muffinman85]

Walters would beat Selby with his jab, which was more impressive than his power in my opinion.

[WelshJack]

Anyone changed their mind?

[MightyWarrior]

Really big fan of Selby, silky skills and good power too, but they won't be putting him near a monster like Walters anytime soon. The Jamaican is a rarity, a teak tough lights out puncher, and who needs that when you're just about to start making money ...Lee was too open to the Russians punches last night and he'll need to work on that before going near the really big guns just yet.

[black panther]

Really big fan of Selby, silky skills and good power too, but they won't be putting him near a monster like Walters anytime soon. The Jamaican is a rarity, a teak tough lights out puncher, and who needs that when you're just about to start making money ...Lee was too open to the Russians punches last night and he'll need to work on that before going near the really big guns just yet.

Yeah he needs a few more fights at this level and he'll need to sit down on his punches more to keep a guy like Walters off him. He boxed great last night but Gradivich did land and Walters only needs one good shot to get you going.

[expe]

Walters flattens him inside 6 rounds.

[Stuarty]

Walters is an absolute beast at the weight so Selby should have a few defences first before mixing it with the likes of him. I would like to see him and Gary Russell Jnr in a unification. I would fancy him in that one.

[ajwesty13]

Walters is good fighter, a solid and heavy puncher, but he wouldn't school Selby, he just hasnt got the quick offence to pull that off , if anything itl be a KO from Walters certainly not a schooling.

[Autobarn]

Walters will be matched more aggressively so he'll either become a superstar or just come and go.

There will be less pressure to throw Selby in the deep end, he'll get the fights when he is ready so I think they're on different trajectories.

Featherweight sounds a daunting division but considering lomachenko, who looks the class of the division, is already physically mature (so his prime will not likely be long)...Selby can take his time, make the key moves when he is ready.

I believe talks are on for Walters v lomachenko already.

[keirw]

No, I still think Selby outboxes him for a long period but ultimately Walters walks him down.
Gary Russell Jr is a much more winnable fight for him.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Loses to Walters, loses to Loma, loses to Russell, probably loses to a few more in the top 10 in the division

[Autobarn]

Selby's already surprised us. We probably still don't know what he can do, or whether that Ali style will negate or get him punished when in with the top offensive fighters.

My guess is if they finely do fight, the circumstances will favour the wshman: Selby will be on a run, confidence and momentum sky high, and Walters will be coming off a defeat.

[whiskey]

The axeman is a real handful.

It's more of a fight than a 'boxing' match - and as much as i admire Selby, I'd not be confident his slickness can overcome Walter's raw approach.

[Bard of Boxrec]

The axeman is a real handful.

It's more of a fight than a 'boxing' match - and as much as i admire Selby, I'd not be confident his slickness can overcome Walter's raw approach.

I don't see Selby as slick at all.

[Autobarn]

Selby surely won't be in the biggest fights yet. In the meantime if he continues that Ali style, will we see equivalents of the Doug Jones and Henry Cooper fights, severely tested by solid pressure (in the first case) and power with his hands down (in the latter).

Walters may face Lomachenko, which could be great. Walters has a hard jab, hits the body hard and has a savage right hand. He'll be matched tough so we really should be able to analyse any flaws. To me, there are gaps between his punches and seems a little slow shifting from one move to another. And he looks way older than 29. But we saw him slow down a faster fighter in donaire, in that terrific shootout.

Bet we're more likely to see Selby v someone like donaire, a name who's struggling. Donaire was very briefly linked to a fight with quigg, remember.

[Buonaparte]

Selby hasn't got the power to keep off the big punchers. The pitter-patter combinations won't work at the top level without the power.

When fighters walk onto his shots, Selby has decent enough power. He wobbled tough-as-old-boots Gradovich and nailed Smith.

But the deciding factor could be Selby's boxing ability. The lad has the skills to outslick Walters, who is good but pretty basic.

[crusader]

Featherweight sounds a daunting division but considering lomachenko, who looks the class of the division, is already physically mature (so his prime will not likely be long)...Selby can take his time, make the key moves when he is ready.

I believe talks are on for Walters v lomachenko already.

Selby is 28, which isn't particularly young for the lower divisions, and to me he doesn't seem less physically mature than the other top fighters at the weight do. He's also a year older than Lomachenko (and older than Santa Cruz and Russell), so I'm not sure what you mean by this.....you think Selby can take his time and catch the younger Loma slipping?

[Autobarn]

I feel he can be around a long time, especially with less...direct matchmaking.