Should Gennady Golovkin be in the top 10 P4P?

[ikorolev]

I think we have a similar situation at SMW. We have Ward clearly a step above everybody else. Then we have Froch and Kessler, and that's it (I would add Andre Dirrell if he wasn't such a pussy).

Groves, DeGale, Abraham, Stieglitz, Bika, Anthony Dirrell, JCCJ are all about the same level as a bigger version of Geale.

Speaking about Chavez, let's not forget that he had an even fight with Rubio and one of the fights with Vera.

[lefty]

I think we have a similar situation at SMW. We have Ward clearly a step above everybody else. Then we have Froch and Kessler, and that's it (I would add Andre Dirrell if he wasn't such a pussy).

Groves, DeGale, Abraham, Stieglitz, Bika, Anthony Dirrell, JCCJ are all about the same level as a bigger version of Geale.

Speaking about Chavez, let's not forget that he had an even fight with Rubio and one of the fights with Vera.

I dont think so in regards to Geale. I honestly believe if they were the same size, Groves, Degale, Bika *more prime version* and anthony Dirrell would beat Geale. Abraham and Stieglitz for me are a level below those other guys even though they have won world titles and what have you. I'd pick the likes of Groves and Degale to beat Abraham and Stieglitz now.

[Othro]

I'd give Paul Williams a better shot at beating Klitschko tomorrow than I would give Golovkin at beating Ward

Based on the above statement, I'd give a better chance to a gorilla to beat your in chess.

You want a gorilla to beat me in my chest?

[ikorolev]

I'd give Paul Williams a better shot at beating Klitschko tomorrow than I would give Golovkin at beating Ward

Based on the above statement, I'd give a better chance to a gorilla to beat you in chess.

You want a gorilla to beat me in my chest?

That too.

[Othro]

I'd give a gorilla a better chance to beat in your chess too

[KBB]

All the currents P4P are around 30 or older, and are judged on their younger days, which has no basis in reality.
A good example would be Pac, who's clearly past it, and Froch.

GGG is obviously above these 2.

LOL, GGG above Pac! Wow, this forum, these boxing fans of today. Froch has beaten superior competition than Gennady yet no fan thinks he belongs in the P4P, Golovkin has beaten a bunch of nobodies (not his fault the other guys are afraid of him) but the truth is what it is.

Froch has a better resume, even with his losses. No way Gennady belongs in the Top 10 P4P, especially if we are going to say that a fighter like Manny Pacquiao doesn't belong there.

[ikorolev]

All the currents P4P are around 30 or older, and are judged on their younger days, which has no basis in reality.
A good example would be Pac, who's clearly past it, and Froch.

GGG is obviously above these 2.

LOL, GGG above Pac! Wow, this forum, these boxing fans of today. Froch has beaten superior competition than Gennady yet no fan thinks he belongs in the P4P, Golovkin has beaten a bunch of nobodies (not his fault the other guys are afraid of him) but the truth is what it is.

Froch has a better resume, even with his losses. No way Gennady belongs in the Top 10 P4P, especially if we are going to say that a fighter like Manny Pacquiao doesn't belong there.

... and KBB is not reading again. Achievements from 10 years ago shouldn't matter when creating a current p4p list. Yes, we are boxing fans of today, and you are obviously one from yesterday.

[KBB]

... and KBB is not reading again. Achievements from 10 years ago shouldn't matter when creating a current p4p list. Yes, we are boxing fans of today, and you are obviously one from yesterday.

Yeah just throw out all the achievements of yesteryear, who cares, right??

I think you have a lack of comprehension, Noobs. My current P4P list wouldn't include a guy beating a bunch of nobodies and you cannot simply throw out what any fighter has done to fit your argument.

Your bias is clearly showing.

[ikorolev]

That's why nobody cares about YOUR p4p list. Disclose your former id, Brut.

[KBB]

That's why nobody cares about YOUR p4p list. Disclose your former id, Brut.

You honestly believe anyone cares about yours??

[ikorolev]

That's why nobody cares about YOUR p4p list. Disclose your former id, Brut.

You honestly believe anyone cares about yours??

Probably not, but more people definitely agree with Golovkin belonging to top 10.

[KBB]

Probably not, but more people definitely agree with Golovkin belonging to top 10.

Failed logic there, just because more people agree doesn't mean they're correct. Good luck with that though.

[Othro]

If Golovkin is top 10 from looking good against nobodies Wilder is #1 for sure

[Baby Face Finster]

I just love the hypocrisy in here. People criticize Golovkin for not moving up in weight and for calling out people in a lower division like Cotto or Mayweather...yet they don't criticize Ward for the same damn thing. The same people who are criticizing Golovkin for calling out smaller men are probably the same people who had no problem with Bernard Hopkins facing DLH. Why doesn't Ward move up to Light Heavyweight?

[KBB]

I just love the hypocrisy in here. People criticize Golovkin for not moving up in weight and for calling out people in a lower division like Cotto or Mayweather...yet they don't criticize Ward for the same damn thing. The same people who are criticizing Golovkin for calling out smaller men are probably the same people who had no problem with Bernard Hopkins facing DLH. Why doesn't Ward move up to Light Heavyweight?

I criticized Ward for calling out Gennady, I think Andre should be doing the same thing that I think Golovkin should be doing; since neither of them can get a big fight in their current weight class then both should move up (not down) and look to challenge themselves vs the bigger guys.

[ikorolev]

If Golovkin is top 10 from looking good against nobodies Wilder is #1 for sure

Did Wilder face recent world champs or somebody with 50 KOs on his record or anybody with KO ratio greater than 1/2 ? Or somebody from top 10 ?

[Baby Face Finster]

I just love the hypocrisy in here. People criticize Golovkin for not moving up in weight and for calling out people in a lower division like Cotto or Mayweather...yet they don't criticize Ward for the same damn thing. The same people who are criticizing Golovkin for calling out smaller men are probably the same people who had no problem with Bernard Hopkins facing DLH. Why doesn't Ward move up to Light Heavyweight?

I criticized Ward for calling out Gennady, I think Andre should be doing the same thing that I think Golovkin should be doing; since neither of them can get a big fight in their current weight class then both should move up (not down) and look to challenge themselves vs the bigger guys.

It's obvious that my post wasn't directed at you then isn't it?

[KBB]

It's obvious that my post wasn't directed at you then isn't it?

It's obvious that my post wasn't for the benefit of you either, it was just to go on record with how I feel about the two of them.

[Lackeos]

All the currents P4P are around 30 or older, and are judged on their younger days, which has no basis in reality.
A good example would be Pac, who's clearly past it, and Froch.

GGG is obviously above these 2.

LOL, GGG above Pac! Wow, this forum, these boxing fans of today. Froch has beaten superior competition than Gennady yet no fan thinks he belongs in the P4P, Golovkin has beaten a bunch of nobodies (not his fault the other guys are afraid of him) but the truth is what it is.

Froch has a better resume, even with his losses. No way Gennady belongs in the Top 10 P4P, especially if we are going to say that a fighter like Manny Pacquiao doesn't belong there.

... and KBB is not reading again. Achievements from 10 years ago shouldn't matter when creating a current p4p list. Yes, we are boxing fans of today, and you are obviously one from yesterday.

As I've said before, Pacquiao's last win, all by itself, is superior to Golovkin's entire body of work added together.

[Baby Face Finster]

It's obvious that my post wasn't directed at you then isn't it?

It's obvious that my post wasn't for the benefit of you either, it was just to go on record with how I feel about the two of them.

It must be for the benefit of me as you responded to it with my post as a quote. Stop being a dumb ass, we have enough of those in here.

[KBB]

It must be for the benefit of me as you responded to it with my post as a quote. Stop being a dumb ass, we have enough of those in here.

First off, I didn't insult you in any way, shape or form; so I'm not sure why you are getting so upset and resulting to insults. Second, I responded in kind stating why I made my post, either you accept it or not.

[Baby Face Finster]

It must be for the benefit of me as you responded to it with my post as a quote. Stop being a dumb ass, we have enough of those in here.

First off, I didn't insult you in any way, shape or form; so I'm not sure why you are getting so upset and resulting to insults. Second, I responded in kind stating why I made my post, either you accept it or not.

I apologize, but don't quote me and then say it wasn't meant for me.

[KBB]

I apologize, but don't quote me and then say it wasn't meant for me.

I only quoted you because you brought up the issue in context of the topic (which I'm allowed to respond to anyone at anytime), I thought it was a valid point you made in regards to being fair about the situation between the two of them so I just wanted everyone to know how I felt about it but it wasn't for your benefit, it was for everyone else.

If you hadn't brought it up then it wasn't some random thought I just would've made up, you made a fair assessment to which I found a time to go on record without bias towards either of them.

[Baby Face Finster]

I apologize, but don't quote me and then say it wasn't meant for me.

I only quoted you because you brought up the issue in context of the topic (which I'm allowed to respond to anyone at anytime), I thought it was a valid point you made in regards to being fair about the situation between the two of them so I just wanted everyone to know how I felt about it but it wasn't for your benefit, it was for everyone else.

If you hadn't brought it up then it wasn't some random thought I just would've made up, you made a fair assessment to which I found a time to go on record without bias towards either of them.

Fair enough. Have a good night.

[KBB]

Fair enough. Have a good night.

You too!