Golovkin vs Ward. Who wins?

[Like a Boss]

At what weight?

When?

I don't they will ever meet anyway.

[crow]

But he won't beat Ward so it will be moot.

How would you know ?
Hopkins doesn't pack glass in that chin, does he ?

[diddy]

But he won't beat Ward so it will be moot.

How would you know ?
Hopkins doesn't pack glass in that chin, does he ?

? Hopkins was down twice against Segundo Mercado. And twice against Jean Pascal.

Yet since Ward went down once against Darnell Boone he has a glass chin, and Hopkins has an iron beard?

Stop the foolishness.

Not only that but Ward currently has the things Hopkins does not to trouble GGG more - handspeed, footspeed, workrate.

[crow]

This sums it up pretty well:

"Andre might have some skills and quality's we haven't seen yet, he does know how to win, but as it stands, I think Golovkin wins this.

His offense is just too good, you can't even practice for it.
He hits very accurately, frequently, and HARD! Plus he cuts off the ring like no other.

Ward will do his best to neutralize this offense, but there will be times where he is going to get hit harder and more frequently than ever.

If Ward had an amazing chin, or devastating firepower, he could weather the storm, or put Golovkin down - But Ward has an average chin and ordinary power.

Ward cannot win this fight at range, with guys like Frock and Kessler, he could use their nervous energy to feint and setup his shots while timing or tying up anything they tried to muster. Golovkin is in a league above these guys and he has the confidence to dictate the fight.

Ward's only chance is to smother Golovkin on the inside and keep him from getting leverage on his big fight ending shots. Ward is great on the inside, but so is Golovkin. He wastes very little energy in the clenches, and people don't try to hold him after a couple of times because he gets the best of it by throwing short powerful shots that seem to hurt people. The guy is amazingly strong, and I think he will be able to hurt Ward on the inside. "

[greg]

...it all reminds me of Wlad vs Haye discussion, the smaller boxer was bringing allegedly more money and excitement, the bigger one - better ring generalship and resume...remember who won?

[jamesmcdonnell]

This sums it up pretty well:

"Andre might have some skills and quality's we haven't seen yet, he does know how to win, but as it stands, I think Golovkin wins this.

His offense is just too good, you can't even practice for it.
He hits very accurately, frequently, and HARD! Plus he cuts off the ring like no other.

Ward will do his best to neutralize this offense, but there will be times where he is going to get hit harder and more frequently than ever.

If Ward had an amazing chin, or devastating firepower, he could weather the storm, or put Golovkin down - But Ward has an average chin and ordinary power.

Ward cannot win this fight at range, with guys like Frock and Kessler, he could use their nervous energy to feint and setup his shots while timing or tying up anything they tried to muster. Golovkin is in a league above these guys and he has the confidence to dictate the fight.

Ward's only chance is to smother Golovkin on the inside and keep him from getting leverage on his big fight ending shots. Ward is great on the inside, but so is Golovkin. He wastes very little energy in the clenches, and people don't try to hold him after a couple of times because he gets the best of it by throwing short powerful shots that seem to hurt people. The guy is amazingly strong, and I think he will be able to hurt Ward on the inside. "

So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag. Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

I get it, Golovkin is exciting, and you like him, - but you are assuming that he will be able to pull off the same trick against a man who is unbeaten at 168, and has already faced the best men of the division.

[Counter-puncher]

boxing fans will get their underwear all bunched up over a puncher

[Badhusker]

At this point I would favor Ward on points. I think he would make it an ugly fight, and stay away from GGG's big power shots....or most of them. Ward's ring intelligence and ability to control the pace of the fight will be key. I would be pulling for a GGG upset though.

Maybe its time for fans to urge Ward to move up, especially if Kovalev beats Hopkins? I believe he fought at 175 in amateurs, so not a big jump for him. Stevenson there too for him.

[KBB]

Andre Ward would probably need a couple of warm-up fights to clear his ring rust before considering taking this bout, but I believe that he has the youth, the size, the physical attributes, the skills, the confidence and the experience to overcome the challenge posed by Gennady Golovkin.

Ward is a bit of a spoiler, because he is willing to do whatever it takes to defeat Golovkin… and he has proven his versatility to adapt to almost any situation.

Golovkin has underrated boxing skills and I’m sure that the cumulative effect of Ward’s punches will compel him to fight in a much more of a defensive and technical manner, so this contest will be more of a chess match than many may think.

We haven’t seen Golovkin fully utilise his exquisite boxing skills for quite some time… and he may even be more skilled in this aspect of the sport than the majority Ward’s previous opponents, so I don’t expect this to be a trench-warfare type bout.

That being said, I still feel that GGG would need to increase his workrate, land his bombs often and work towards forcing the stoppage in order to defeat Andre Ward, which I simply cannot see him doing at this point in time.

I believe that Andre Ward would emerge victorious by gaining a comfortable decision victory over his smaller opponent, but it wouldn’t surprise me if GGG manages to hurt S.O.G. on at least a couple of occasions during the course of twelve intriguing rounds.

This right here, +1

[crow]

So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

1. World class fighters like Froch ( Ward's best win, by the way) are on the record they don't want anything to do with GGG.
Yet, Froch has talked Ward rematch for more than 2 years.
What gives, when world class fighters like him look for Andre but not for him ( a smaller man , by the way) ?
2. Geale was world class, known for his elusiveness and mouvement.

Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

Google GGG vs Dirrell, amateurs.
Dirrell was bigger, more athletic, and faster than GGG. But he couldn't stand in front of GGG for more than 2 rds, and then he went on his bicycle.
Ward doesn't have Dirrell's athletic abilities , nor his punch or chin.

So, yes, i like GGG's chances quite a lot in this match.

[ikorolev]

Andre Ward would probably need a couple of warm-up fights to clear his ring rust before considering taking this bout, but I believe that he has the youth, the size, the physical attributes, the skills, the confidence and the experience to overcome the challenge posed by Gennady Golovkin.

Then that fight won't happen till 2017 when they are both (Golovkin for sure) past their prime.

[PsychoGamerTwo]

So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

1. World class fighters like Froch ( Ward's best win, by the way) are on the record they don't want anything to do with GGG.
Yet, Froch has talked Ward rematch for more than 2 years.
What gives, when world class fighters like him look for Andre but not for him ( a smaller man , by the way) ?
2. Geale was world class, known for his elusiveness and mouvement.

Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

Google GGG vs Dirrell, amateurs.
Dirrell was bigger, more athletic, and faster than GGG. But he couldn't stand in front of GGG for more than 2 rds, and then he went on his bicycle.
Ward doesn't have Dirrell's athletic abilities , nor his punch or chin.

So, yes, i like GGG's chances quite a lot in this match.

Golovkin lost his first fight against Andre Dirrell. And Dirrell is no Ward, just because he did good against Froch.

[ikorolev]

Golovkin lost that fight by 1 point. That was a team match vs USA happening in the U.S. with american judges, and Team USA was losing by that time. Figure it out.

[jas80s]

To extrapolate anything that Golovkin might do against Ward based on what he has done against: Macklin, Geale, Rubio, and the like is simply impossible. Ward is any combination of: Bigger, faster, stronger, and better than those guys. With most of them, he is all of those things.

Golovkin looks sensational, and I do not denigrate his resume at all. In this day and age, it's perfectly fine and he will no doubt continue to step up to tougher challenges as his notoriety grows. But, Ward would be a massive step up, simply massive. We are talking about easily the number one guy in the next weight class up, good lord, tough assignment. So, I think it's beyond hard to say how he would fare. He may continue doing largely what he has been doing, but he might easily be flummoxed by a crafty, fast, strong fighter who is bigger than him naturally, no way to know until he gets in there with someone THAT good.

Having said that, the greatest compliment I can give GGG is this...... let's see it! This guy needs the toughest assignment we can find because he is wrecking terrific fighters his size right now... Don't think we'll see it, but I would certainly be up for it.

[diddy]

So you're basically saying that Golovkin is unbeatable effectively - this despite the fact that he's yet to face a single world class fighter. Yes, his shots hurt people, but he's beating guys that are some way off of world class - world class fighters are harder to hit, and hit back, they don't just stand there like a punchbag.

1. World class fighters like Froch ( Ward's best win, by the way) are on the record they don't want anything to do with GGG.
Yet, Froch has talked Ward rematch for more than 2 years.
What gives, when world class fighters like him look for Andre but not for him ( a smaller man , by the way) ?
2. Geale was world class, known for his elusiveness and mouvement.

Strong as Golovkin is, Ward is stronger - he's also a former collegiate wrestler, with fantastic skills on the inside, where he smothers his opponent's work and pulls them off balance.

Google GGG vs Dirrell, amateurs.
Dirrell was bigger, more athletic, and faster than GGG. But he couldn't stand in front of GGG for more than 2 rds, and then he went on his bicycle.
Ward doesn't have Dirrell's athletic abilities , nor his punch or chin.

So, yes, i like GGG's chances quite a lot in this match.

So Dirrell is better than Ward? Were you dropped on your head as a kid or did you just develop into being this stupid? You conveniently leave out that Ward is physically stronger than Dirrell and throws people around in clinches and fights moving forward. Yet somehow Dirrell has more power. Wards got plenty of speed also. You're not very bright.

[Counter-puncher]

To extrapolate anything that Golovkin might do against Ward based on what he has done against: Macklin, Geale, Rubio, and the like is simply impossible. Ward is any combination of: Bigger, faster, stronger, and better than those guys. With most of them, he is all of those things.

Golovkin looks sensational, and I do not denigrate his resume at all. In this day and age, it's perfectly fine and he will no doubt continue to step up to tougher challenges as his notoriety grows. But, Ward would be a massive step up, simply massive. We are talking about easily the number one guy in the next weight class up, good lord, tough assignment. So, I think it's beyond hard to say how he would fare. He may continue doing largely what he has been doing, but he might easily be flummoxed by a crafty, fast, strong fighter who is bigger than him naturally, no way to know until he gets in there with someone THAT good.

Having said that, the greatest compliment I can give GGG is this...... let's see it! This guy needs the toughest assignment we can find because he is wrecking terrific fighters his size right now... Don't think we'll see it, but I would certainly be up for it.

nice post mate

[KBB]

To extrapolate anything that Golovkin might do against Ward based on what he has done against: Macklin, Geale, Rubio, and the like is simply impossible. Ward is any combination of: Bigger, faster, stronger, and better than those guys. With most of them, he is all of those things.

Golovkin looks sensational, and I do not denigrate his resume at all. In this day and age, it's perfectly fine and he will no doubt continue to step up to tougher challenges as his notoriety grows. But, Ward would be a massive step up, simply massive. We are talking about easily the number one guy in the next weight class up, good lord, tough assignment. So, I think it's beyond hard to say how he would fare. He may continue doing largely what he has been doing, but he might easily be flummoxed by a crafty, fast, strong fighter who is bigger than him naturally, no way to know until he gets in there with someone THAT good.

Having said that, the greatest compliment I can give GGG is this...... let's see it! This guy needs the toughest assignment we can find because he is wrecking terrific fighters his size right now... Don't think we'll see it, but I would certainly be up for it.

A totally unbiased and honest post, something that I can't say about one man/boy who has no objectivity whatsoever on the subject of Golovkin or Kovalev.

[ikorolev]

I like that post too. Not like some xenophobic ones from a few haters.

[KBB]

Some people sure feel insulted very easily, they have to reply to everything that hurts their little feelings, lol.

Ward will own Golovkin, too bad that we will never see it because as Gennady always says when it comes to fighting Manny or Floyd he is willing to move down but when it comes to fighting Andre, then it's "I'm only a MW."

[ikorolev]

You said you liked that post, but you keep writing crap. Gennady says what Loefler and his manager tell him to say. Besides, even though his English progressed, he is still on 3-4-year old level.

He was never afraid of bigger men fighting them in amateurs and professionals. Yes, like it was said, Ward is a huge step up compared to Geale or Rubio, but Gennady is capable of handling it. I hope we see that fight within two years while GGG is still in his prime.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Ward wins early rounds with great jab and flashy combo´s then gets caught with a GGG BOMB about round 5/6,GGG starts to get on top then Ward starts to rally, plants his feet like never before to win a BARNBURNER on close but un dec.

[diddy]

I'm so confident Ward will beat GGG that I would be willing to leave this board forever if he were to lose, if the GGG huggers are also willing to do the same if (when) he loses.

[ArmaanCFC]

People are starting to forget about Ward and his immediate impact on the division. I think he'll need 1 or 2 tune up fights to get back into his rhythm and then he beats GGG.

[birdman77]

Ward. 3G will get better and Ward has probably peaked, but Ward is younger yet more seasoned in pros. He's been in w/better opponents. Btw, Hopkins vs 3G @ 170 would go to Bhop IMHO.

[Batley18]

Golovkin walks forward, happy to take punches in exchange for getting a few of his own away. Could he do this when upped in the weights? Ward isn't a big puncher, but he would challenge his resistance. I think it is a 50/50 fight, with perhaps Ward being a bit too crafty for GGG.