Mayweather accused of ducking black fighters

[ArmaanCFC]

Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

[Ricky_]

Really? I thought his opponents selection was rather obvious. He fights latino's on latino holidays.... since becoming a major PPV draw only Hatton & SSM are the exceptions, but Hatton brought thousands of crazy brits instead.

[ponch]

Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

wait...

he's ducking Khan, right?

[ArmaanCFC]

Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

wait...

he's ducking Khan, right?

Well it seems so

[ponch]

Khan and Pacquiao aren't black :P

wait...

he's ducking Khan, right?

Well it seems so

You think Khan has positioned himself as the obvious / deserving next opponent? How? He hasn't beaten a single relevant Welterweight and his last decent win at 140 was 2011, assuming you feel Zab was relevant then.

[ArmaanCFC]

I think styles make fights and Khan would have been a better option financially and stylistically rather than the Maidana rematch.

[ttornado]

I think styles make fights and Khan would have been a better option financially and stylistically rather than the Maidana rematch.

Stylistically you have a point. Remember Khan wasn't available in September due to Ramadan, so you can't duck what can't fight.

[ponch]

I think styles make fights and Khan would have been a better option financially and stylistically rather than the Maidana rematch.

Wake me up when Khan becomes a force at 147 for the top guys to duck.

edit: I understand some people, particularly Khan fans, might think Khan has a style to trouble Floyd. But it's an absurd leap to think Floyd ducked the guy when he had no legitimate claim to being considered in the first place. If Khan has the goods, why can't he produce it in the ring...

[ikorolev]

To be honest, if you consider all the black fighters currently competing within Floyd’s weight range (i.e. 140lbs to 154lbs), most of them aren’t viable opponents:
• Lamont Peterson - Has been KO'd in three rounds against Lucas Matthysse… and also "temporarily" failed a drug test
• Adrien Broner - Fight probably would have never happened as they’re “bros”, coupled with the fact that he dropped a wide decision to Marcos Maidana
• Jermell Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Jermall Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Erislandy Lara - Not a great resume and has only won four of his last eight bouts, so a fight against him would be difficult to sell
• Ishe Smith - Recently lost by decision to Carlos Molina
• Cornelius Bundrage - Recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith
• Demetrius Andrade - Only recently arrived onto the 154lb scene as a top-tier fighter, but has a limited resume & a small fan-base
• Austin Trout - Not a stylistically enjoyable fighter to watch and has suffered recent losses to Canelo Alvarez & Erislandy Lara
• Shawn Porter - Has only recently arrived onto the world stage and lost his most recent bout against Kell Brook
• Devon Alexander - Has a recent loss on his record against Shawn Porter
• Kell Brook - Has only recently won a world title and had previously either declined or withdrawn from title bouts against Cornelius Bundrage, Manny Pacquiao and Devon Alexander
• Timothy Bradley - Is contractually tied to Top Rank & HBO, so he'll never be granted an opportunity to face Mayweather… and Bradley knew this when he signed Bob Arum's contract extension
• Keith Thurman - A talented fighter, but has limited drawing power, isn't a "real" world champion and his resume isn't good enough to be considered a viable opponent for the man sitting on the pound-for-pound throne

Excuses, excuses.

[uptconnect]

Oh, of course he ducks black fighters. And all the rest, too!
And he can't fight a lick. Every win he has was either paid for or given to him by the ref or judges.
He slaps babies, kicks puppies, and hits any kitten he sees with a large stick.

[ponch]

I understand some people, particularly Khan fans, might think Khan has a style to trouble Floyd. But it's an absurd leap to think Floyd ducked the guy when he had no legitimate claim to being considered in the first place. If Khan has the goods, why can't he produce it in the ring...

Well said!

It’s an “absurd leap” to believe that any world-class fighter would actually make a premeditated decision to “duck” one of their rivals.

It is usually the TV networks, promoters and managers that are involved in steering the careers of the majority of professional boxers. And I suspect they’re more inclined to make decisions that will protect their financial investment, compelling them to be risk averse (unless there are going to be sufficient rewards to compensate them for the potential loss in the value of their prized asset).

Boxing is a business and the only real “fear” involved in this sport, relates to the potential loss of income.

I don't entirely agree - I don't think 'fear' is necessarily what it means to duck. We know Pac and Floyd aren't literally 'scared' of each other. Every obstacle to the fight was movable. They both have enough of a fanbase and influence to pretty much choose their opponents, regardless of promoters etc. No one would turn either guy down, except each other.

To me they ducked each other as clearly as Bowe did by chucking his belt in the trash when Lewis became his mandatory.

[Rodian]

WRONG.

He ducks ASIAN fighters....

[ikorolev]

He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

[tiny_acres]

He won't fight Klingons,Romulans Jedi'd or Sith's.He should be banned.

[ikorolev]

He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

GGG

[ikorolev]

He won't fight Klingons,Romulans Jedi'd or Sith's.He should be banned.

He won't even fight the Alien at 160

[tiny_acres]

It’s an “absurd leap” to believe that any world-class fighter would actually make a premeditated decision to “duck” one of their rivals.

It is usually the TV networks, promoters and managers that are involved in steering the careers of the majority of professional boxers. And I suspect they’re more inclined to make decisions that will protect their financial investment, compelling them to be risk averse (unless there are going to be sufficient rewards to compensate them for the potential loss in the value of their prized asset).

Boxing is a business and the only real “fear” involved in this sport, relates to the potential loss of income.

I don't entirely agree - I don't think 'fear' is necessarily what it means to duck. We know Pac and Floyd aren't literally 'scared' of each other. Every obstacle to the fight was movable. They both have enough of a fanbase and influence to pretty much choose their opponents, regardless of promoters etc. No one would turn either guy down, except each other.

To me they ducked each other as clearly as Bowe did by chucking his belt in the trash when Lewis became his mandatory.

I don't believe that Manny or Floyd had any control over the HBO versus Showtime situation in recent years.

Since the Tyson-Lewis bout, which supposedly was agonisingly difficult to manage between both networks, no fight has ever been considered big enough to motivate those parties to work with each other.

Pacquiao vs Floyd would of demolished any numbers that Tyson/Lewis had.I do think that both HBO & Showtime
would of given the thumbs up to let this one go on.
I still believe it was to much ego between Arum and Floyd.They hate each other too much to put
their stupid differences aside.Even to make more money than any fight in history.

[kidbazooka1]

Alexander also forgot to acknowledge that the two fighters who gave Floyd his toughest fights were both Hispanic.

Funny cuz Floyd easly schooled the "black" fighters he mentioned.

But we all know Alexander is an idiot.

[reggaereggae]

He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

Kostya Tzsyu?

[ikorolev]

He ducks Cuban fighters, fighters with Greek first name, fighters with first name ending with "th" and half-Russian/half-Korean fighters

Which fighter was "half-Russian/half-Korean"? Now think carefully before answering that one!

Kostya Tzsyu?

Funny enough, Kostya Tzsyu is also half-Russian/half-Korean, so here you go -- there is a tendency :)

[IKSRTFO]

To be honest, if you consider all the black fighters currently competing within Floyd’s weight range (i.e. 140lbs to 154lbs), most of them aren’t viable opponents:
• Lamont Peterson - Has been KO'd in three rounds against Lucas Matthysse… and also "temporarily" failed a drug test
• Adrien Broner - Fight probably would have never happened as they’re “bros”, coupled with the fact that he dropped a wide decision to Marcos Maidana
• Jermell Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Jermall Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Erislandy Lara - Not a great resume and has only won four of his last eight bouts, so a fight against him would be difficult to sell
• Ishe Smith - Recently lost by decision to Carlos Molina
• Cornelius Bundrage - Recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith
• Demetrius Andrade - Only recently arrived onto the 154lb scene as a top-tier fighter, but has a limited resume & a small fan-base
• Austin Trout - Not a stylistically enjoyable fighter to watch and has suffered recent losses to Canelo Alvarez & Erislandy Lara
• Shawn Porter - Has only recently arrived onto the world stage and lost his most recent bout against Kell Brook
• Devon Alexander - Has a recent loss on his record against Shawn Porter
• Kell Brook - Has only recently won a world title and had previously either declined or withdrawn from title bouts against Cornelius Bundrage, Manny Pacquiao and Devon Alexander
• Timothy Bradley - Is contractually tied to Top Rank & HBO, so he'll never be granted an opportunity to face Mayweather… and Bradley knew this when he signed Bob Arum's contract extension
• Keith Thurman - A talented fighter, but has limited drawing power, isn't a "real" world champion and his resume isn't good enough to be considered a viable opponent for the man sitting on the pound-for-pound throne

Half of that list is just as viable or more viable than Victor Ortiz.

[ikorolev]

Funny enough, Kostya Tzsyu is also half-Russian/half-Korean, so here you go -- there is a tendency :)

Kostya Tszyu's father was half Korean and half Mongolian... and his mother was Russian.

Besides, Tszyu was a Showtime fighter and injured for a couple of years at the time he and Floyd "could" have fought, whilst Mayweather competed under the HBO banner, so that fight was never going to happen!

Nobody ducked anybody.

Did you see a smiley near my statement ??? Also, for purposes of an average American Joe, Korea and Mongolia is the same country somewhere in Eurasia :)

[ikorolev]

What do you mean? :??

At the time he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr., Victor Ortiz was ranked number two by Ring Magazine at welterweight; was only 24 years old (a young lion); had beaten Andre Berto in his previous bout; and held the WBC 147lb title. His resume (as of the 17th September, 2011) was very good!

Meaning that:
- Ring Magazine sucks
- Andre Berto sucks
- WBC sucks
- Resume based conclusions suck

[Lackeos]

a) A majority of fighters that Mayweather could be said to have ducked are not Black.
b) This accusation is simply racist in nature, and therefore completely invalid.
c) Alexander has no room to claim being ducked, being that he lost to Porter, and Porter lost to Brook. Alexander belongs at the end of a lengthy line, not right up front.
d) Realistically, Mayweather is going to fight the winner of Khan - Alexander next, and this is just extremely in-advance promotion for when Mayweather actually does fight Alexander.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Why can't people just ignore these types of Mayweather stories?