Updating the BOXREC Forum heavyweight rankings CLOSED

[jezzamundo]

BWH Rankings as of 25 October 2014:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Kubrat Pulev
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Tyson Fury
4. Bermane Stiverne
5. Dereck Chisora
6. Carlos Takam
7. Bryant Jennings
8. Vyacheslav Glazkov
9. Tomas Adamek
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Tony Thompson
12. Steve Cunningham
13. Chris Arreola
14. Odlanier Solis
15. Ruslan Chagaev

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Steve Cunningham's RTD7 win over Natu Visinia

My vote: Cunningham remains at #12, Visinia remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Alexander Povetkin's KO10 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Povetkin remains at #2, Takam to #10.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Cunningham, Visinia, Povetkin and Takam. Posting your own Top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

[Lennox]

Povetkin to 1

You cant have Pulev over Povetkin, Pulev has only beaten one fighter on that list. Povetkin has beaten three including Chagaev who has no place in the top 15. Povetkin has two good wins since his sole defeat to WK. Charr and Takam.

[jezzamundo]

I think it's acceptable to have it either way. Povetkin's resume is stronger, yet he has already been convincingly beaten by Wlad, who Pulev is yet to face, plus I'd favour Pulev to beat Povetkin. It's certainly a close call, whichever way you look at it.

Also, I see only Chagaev and Takam in the Top 15 who Povetkin has beaten, there is no third.

[Lennox]

Yes you are right it is only 2, I was looking at the IWBR top 15, which included Charr. He has a won over Huck who probably the #1 Cruiser that probably should be factored. It will be interesting to see how people see Pulev over Povetkin on here, certainly would be a great fight assuming Pulev gets beaten by WK.

[Ian1973]

Stiverne should be above Fury surely?

[Tarkus]

Povetkin 1
Takam 9

And if Pulev upsets Klitchko then we put him right back or even one higher.


Cunningham 12
Visinia remains unranked

[Heretic]

Povetkin #1
Takam #9

Good match and great KO. Povetkin proves hes the best of the rest. I think that Takam still did well in that fight and should not drop too far.

Cunningham #10

Beating nobody should at least give some activity points. Wilder got #10 by the same way too

[Heretic]

I would also like to propose Charr #15.

[Horse]

Cunningham - Stays at No. 12
Povetkin - Up to No. 1
Takam - Down to No. 8

[Boxing Writer]

I don't understand why so many people rank Povetkin above Pulev. Surely, he just spectacularly KO'ed top-10 guy, but until the 9th round he didn't impress at all. And will you change your mind if Pulev gives Wlad much harder fight than Povetkin did, which I'm sure he will?

My vote: Povetkin stays at #2, Takam down to #11

[Horse]

I don't understand why so many people rank Povetkin above Pulev. Surely, he just spectacularly KO'ed top-10 guy, but until the 9th round he didn't impress at all. And will you change your mind if Pulev gives Wlad much harder fight than Povetkin did, which I'm sure he will?

My vote: Povetkin stays at #2, Takam down to #11

Povetkin's got a better record than Pulev.

Thompson is Pulev's best win and Povetkin just stopped the guy who dominated Thompson.

[Boxing Writer]

I don't understand why so many people rank Povetkin above Pulev. Surely, he just spectacularly KO'ed top-10 guy, but until the 9th round he didn't impress at all. And will you change your mind if Pulev gives Wlad much harder fight than Povetkin did, which I'm sure he will?

My vote: Povetkin stays at #2, Takam down to #11

Povetkin's got a better record than Pulev.

Thompson is Pulev's best win and Povetkin just stopped the guy who dominated Thompson.

Cotto has much better resume than GGG, but everybody considers Golovkin as the best fighter in his division. Also, if Pulev gives Wlad harder fight than Povetkin did, will you rank him above Povetkin?

[Freedom2013]

Topic A - Cunningham remains at #12, Visinia remains unranked.

Topic B - Povetkin remains at #2, Takam to #11.

[Horse]

Cotto has much better resume than GGG, but everybody considers Golovkin as the best fighter in his division. Also, if Pulev gives Wlad harder fight than Povetkin did, will you rank him above Povetkin?

Cotto doesn't have a better record at middleweight.

[Boxing Writer]

Cotto has much better resume than GGG, but everybody considers Golovkin as the best fighter in his division. Also, if Pulev gives Wlad harder fight than Povetkin did, will you rank him above Povetkin?

Cotto doesn't have a better record at middleweight.

But Golovkin is considered a better fighter P4P than Cotto too, not only in the middleweight division

[HomicideHenry]

BWH Rankings as of 25 October 2014:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Kubrat Pulev
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Tyson Fury
4. Bermane Stiverne
5. Dereck Chisora
6. Carlos Takam
7. Bryant Jennings
8. Vyacheslav Glazkov
9. Tomas Adamek
10. Deontay Wilder
11. Tony Thompson
12. Steve Cunningham
13. Chris Arreola
14. Odlanier Solis
15. Ruslan Chagaev

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Steve Cunningham's RTD7 win over Natu Visinia

My vote: Cunningham remains at #12, Visinia remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Alexander Povetkin's KO10 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Povetkin remains at #2, Takam to #10.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Cunningham, Visinia, Povetkin and Takam. Posting your own Top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

Cunningham's ranking remains the same.... @ #12

Povetkin's ranking remains the same.... @ #2

Both men fought essentially unproven/unranked fighters (in my view), so its just "stay busy" affairs in my eyes.

[Heretic]

What i don't undestand why is people dropping Takam belov Thompson and Wilder. The guy beat Thompson and Wilder has not beaten anyone of note yet.

[Horse]

Cunningham's ranking remains the same.... @ #12

Povetkin's ranking remains the same.... @ #2

Both men fought essentially unproven/unranked fighters (in my view), so its just "stay busy" affairs in my eyes.

Takam isn't unproven or unranked. Your view is wrong.

[Horse]

What i don't undestand why is people dropping Takam belov Thompson and Wilder. The guy beat Thompson and Wilder has not beaten anyone of note yet.

It makes no sense.

[tiny_acres]

Povetkin #1 I thought he was before the fight and I still do.Only 1 better and that is Wlad himself.

Cunningham Unchanged

Takam to #10

[Lackeos]

Povetkin to #1
Takam to #7
Cunningham to #11
Visinia remains out

Pulev's only real key win is over Thompson, and that is no longer enough to outweigh Povetkin's win over the other guy who beat Thompson. I think Takam belongs easily ahead of Thompson, definitely above Wilder for now (he has done nothing), definitely above Adamek (he is losing to / struggling with / robbing everybody these days), and probably above Glazkov (due to Glazkov's struggle with Rossy), but possibly below Jennings given how good Jennings looked in his last fight. Cunningham didn't make an especially good account of himself in his latest fight, but I have some confidence that he is better than Thompson right now, and that is really just my opinion.

Stiverne should be above Fury surely?

Not surely, more like maybe, and we already voted on that in May. Your point of view apparently was not in the majority.

And will you change your mind if Pulev gives Wlad much harder fight than Povetkin did, which I'm sure he will?

No one gives Wlad a better fight than anyone else, they all get dominated. Then they all get dropped in the rankings for getting dominated. No one seems to understand that domination by Wlad is not a measuring stick for other fighters, it is just the thing that will always happen.

[Bobbyptsd]

A-Cunningham stays at #12, Visinia stays out.

B-Povetkin stays at #2, Takam to #13

[ruin795]

Cunningham to #10

Povetkin to #1

Takam to #9

[Belanio]

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Steve Cunningham's RTD7 win over Natu Visinia

My vote: Cunningham out, Visinia remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Alexander Povetkin's KO10 win over Carlos Takam?

My vote: Povetkin to #1, Takam to #9.

[Lackeos]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are voting to move Takam below Glazkov, Adamek, and Thompson. Glazkov struggled mightily with Derrick Rossy. Adamek got beat by Glazkov (who struggled mightily with Derrick Rossy), robbed Steve Cunningham, and wouldn't have beaten Eddie Chambers if not for shoulder injury. Thompson lost widely to Takam straight-up. This is shaping-up to be a terrible vote, and we should feel terrible about our terrible rankings. I think this vote shows that there is some validity to every negative thing that anyone has ever said about boxrec or the current scene.