Will the referee be fair to Kovalev against Hopkins?

[KBB]

Wtf are you talking about?! They test their PISS if they're not drawing blood. What do you think they test, their jizz?

Piss piss piss! And yes you can test for more than just rec drugs. You know what you can't test for? Where testisterone comes from. Piss can only tell a tester what a T/E ratio is. And if it's under a 4-1 or 6-1 ratio (which is HIGH in itself). It doesn't tell them where testosterone comes from. Whether it's synthetic or not. A blood test DOES. And testosterone is the drug of choice for most cheaters. The average man has a ratio of 1-1. They give boxers a major bit of leeway with a 4-1 or 6-1 ratio. As long as they're under that - they pass a piss test. Not so on a blood test because it's able to determine the ingredients that make up the testosterone.

Wow, hats off to you for your Google research but you're not telling me anything I haven't already read but thanks for posting it though. The only thing I was really trying to bring out is that blood testing brings out so much more in the fact that it can pinpoint basically the substance one may have been using/abusing.

Still you have not provided anything of factual substance to indict Hopkins on the supposed usage of PEDS you claim he is taking. Maybe Google will help you with that, lol.

[diddy]

Wtf are you talking about?! They test their PISS if they're not drawing blood. What do you think they test, their jizz?

Piss piss piss! And yes you can test for more than just rec drugs. You know what you can't test for? Where testisterone comes from. Piss can only tell a tester what a T/E ratio is. And if it's under a 4-1 or 6-1 ratio (which is HIGH in itself). It doesn't tell them where testosterone comes from. Whether it's synthetic or not. A blood test DOES. And testosterone is the drug of choice for most cheaters. The average man has a ratio of 1-1. They give boxers a major bit of leeway with a 4-1 or 6-1 ratio. As long as they're under that - they pass a piss test. Not so on a blood test because it's able to determine the ingredients that make up the testosterone.

Wow, hats off to you for your Google research but you're not telling me anything I haven't already read but thanks for posting it though. The only thing I was really trying to bring out is that blood testing brings out so much more in the fact that it can pinpoint basically the substance one may have been using/abusing.

Still you have not provided anything of factual substance to indict Hopkins on the supposed usage of PEDS you claim he is taking. Maybe Google will help you with that, lol.

You're making my head hurt. Blood testing shows a lot more? Ya don't say??

Common sense says Hopkins is on something. However common sense is often a social trait lacked by so many people who follow boxing. It's unfortunate. Dude is 50 f'n years old and you think he's clean in an era where almost everyone cheats to some extent at age 25.

[KBB]

You're making my head hurt. Blood testing shows a lot more? Ya don't say??

Common sense says Hopkins is on something. However common sense is often a social trait lacked by so many people who follow boxing. It's unfortunate. Dude is 50 f'n years old and you think he's clean in an era where almost everyone cheats to some extent at age 25.

You're making everyone's head hurt with your BS claim of him doping, you have no proof or evidence, just your suspicious conjecture and nothing else.

You may as well not even post if you are going to post baseless assumptions like you have without any facts whatsoever.

[Freedom2013]

Hopkins will be permitted by the American referee to use deliberate head butts to the ridge over the eye of Kovalev, like he was against Dawson (second fight), Wright, Murat, Shumenov, and Cloud.

There will be blood.

[licktheballs]

Hopkins will be permitted by the American referee to use deliberate head butts to the ridge over the eye of Kovalev, like he was against Dawson (second fight), Wright, Murat, Shumenov, and Cloud.

There will be blood.

Thanks for getting everyone back on the original troll topic tunney

[Freedom2013]

Thanks for getting everyone back on the original troll topic tunney

All of licktheball's 320 posts here have been directed at me.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Common sense says Hopkins is on something. However common sense is often a social trait lacked by so many people who follow boxing. It's unfortunate. Dude is 50 f'n years old and you think he's clean in an era where almost everyone cheats to some extent at age 25.

I'm sure most people agree. But my problem is that PED accusations are often thrown out as a way to diminish someone's accomplishments.

If you wanna say that Hopkins is on something fine, but immediately say afterwards that the guy he's fighting, who is 18 years younger than Hopkins, is on something too. Don't be so bold about one person and then kinda insinuate the other person might be taking something too.

[pound per pound]

Hopkins is a known dirty fighter, and one who has faked injures. If he's taking a beating its well within his nature to foul, or find a way out.

I do not expect the referee to be fair if Hopkins cheats a bit. At least not right away. First Hopkins is rather sneaky on his fouls. His famous kidney shots to the other side of where the ref is standing are well documentary. Secondly no one wants to see a DQ in a highly anticipated match.

I think Kovalev is going to break Hopkins down, and take him out. Those who think Hopkins “ will take him to school “ are underestimating Kovelev’s smarts and technical skills . 8. In truth Kovalev has caught up to and timed much faster fighters.

Kovalev via TKO inside of 9 rounds. It could be a Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis type of ending if Hopkins goes out on his shield. The more likely outcome is Hopkins gets hurt, floored, and then either fouls out or make up an excuse as his corner saves him.

p4p

8. I agree he has timed much faster fighters, but they didn't have the defense nor the chin of Hopkins. I disagree on the TKO, I think it'll be just like BHop stated-----"I'll disarm him".

I just wonder what people like you will say when none of your predictions come true and Hopkins disarms and embarrasses him winning by a comfortable UD.

Ah but Hopkins has never fought an puncher on Kovalev's level. Kovalev is not a one trick pony. He's a stalker that can mix in straight shots to the body to the head. Hopkins can cover up but he's going to lose on points if he chooses to do so.

Kovalev is a good boxer. In the Am's he was something like 195-15. Hopkins has always had problems with good boxers. Examples: Roy Jones, Joe Clazaghe, and J. Taylor. And those fights were years ago.

[Freedom2013]

It's a Golden Boy-promoted fight, and Bernard Hopkins is a part-owner of Golden Boy Promotions.

With fair officiating, Kovalev would win...

But I have a feeling something shady is going to happen next Saturday.

[ikorolev]

I am sure that Hopkins is a better actor than Abner Cott

(see 19:04 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDsfhn5_dMQ)

and will not need his trainer to tell him to go down in a similar situation. What will GB paid ref do then ?

[licktheballs]

It's a Golden Boy-promoted fight, and Bernard Hopkins is a part-owner of Golden Boy Promotions.

With fair officiating, Kovalev would win...

But I have a feeling something shady is going to happen next Saturday.

Guys please stay on topic!

We must know that the deck is stacked against poor Kovalev!

[ikorolev]

We must know that the deck is stacked against poor Kovalev!

Most likely, nothing is being stacked, but it is a hometown fight for Hopkins promoted by his promotional company, so all known effects of that will be in play.

Taking into account that Bernard is a big master of acting and dirty tactics, he can find a way out of being defeated.

[Rexob]

I think Hopkins will stop him.

[Rexob]

I don't really but wouldn't it be something if he did.

[Freedom2013]

Most likely, nothing is being stacked, but it is a hometown fight for Hopkins promoted by his promotional company, so all known effects of that will be in play.

Taking into account that Bernard is a big master of acting and dirty tactics, he can find a way out of being defeated.

Exactly.

[handsofstone]

Kovalev will beat Hopkins better than Dawson did IMO,Sergey isnt as technical as Chad but he's still more than just a puncher,Bernard's smart enough to know not to get caught at arms length and will spend the whole fight grabbing,clinching,spoiling,whinging and just basically doing anything to avoid getting hurt ,leaving Kovalev to win a wide points decision,i do give Hopkins props though as i reckon he can take the fight 12 rounds which would be remarkable in itself

[Freedom2013]

Kovalev will beat Hopkins better than Dawson did IMO,Sergey isnt as technical as Chad but he's still more than just a puncher,Bernard's smart enough to know not to get caught at arms length and will spend the whole fight grabbing,clinching,spoiling,whinging and just basically doing anything to avoid getting hurt ,leaving Kovalev to win a wide points decision,i do give Hopkins props though as i reckon he can take the fight 12 rounds which would be remarkable in itself

Kovalev will need a KO to beat Hopkins. If it goes to the scorecards, Hopkins will win even if he deserves to lose every round.

It's a Golden Boy promoted event, with four officials from the same part of the country as Hopkins, who is part owner of Golden Boy. Sergey is from a country that a lot of middle-aged Americans don't like because of the Cold War of the 70s and 80s and propaganda movies like Rocky IV and Red Dawn.

I realize it's impossible for Hopkins to beat Kovalev is a fair fight.

But Hopkins is a master of illegal tactics, and his home referees have let him get away with deliberate head butts, pretending to be fouled, and other dirty stuff in the past - even against other American fighters like Dawson and Wright.

I have a bad feeling something dirty is going down on Saturday. I pray Sergey Kovalev finds a way to prevail, despite the deck being stacked against him.

[KBB]

Kovalev will beat Hopkins better than Dawson did IMO,Sergey isnt as technical as Chad but he's still more than just a puncher,Bernard's smart enough to know not to get caught at arms length and will spend the whole fight grabbing,clinching,spoiling,whinging and just basically doing anything to avoid getting hurt ,leaving Kovalev to win a wide points decision,i do give Hopkins props though as i reckon he can take the fight 12 rounds which would be remarkable in itself

Kovalev will need a KO to beat Hopkins. If it goes to the scorecards, Hopkins will win even if he deserves to lose every round.

It's a Golden Boy promoted event, with four officials from the same part of the country as Hopkins, who is part owner of Golden Boy. Sergey is from a country that a lot of middle-aged Americans don't like because of the Cold War of the 70s and 80s and propaganda movies like Rocky IV and Red Dawn.

I realize it's impossible for Hopkins to beat Kovalev is a fair fight.

But Hopkins is a master of illegal tactics, and his home referees have let him get away with deliberate head butts, pretending to be fouled, and other dirty stuff in the past - even against other American fighters like Dawson and Wright.

I have a bad feeling something dirty is going down on Saturday. I pray Sergey Kovalev finds a way to prevail, despite the deck being stacked against him.

You insinuating that cheating will go on against Kovalev because of it being a GBP sponsored event is about as ridiculous as Diddy stating Hopkins is on PEDS with no proof. Hopkins vs Calzaghe was a GBP fight too and look what happened.

Baseless and mindless assumptions like these should not be allowed on a boxing forum nor should they spoken by someone who claims to be a fan of the sport of boxing, sure it happens but it has nothing to do with the Promoter of the fight, often times there are other influences outside of the sport that make the most impact on the scoring.

The Referee won't be a factor either, again, this is another baseless assumption by you.

[Evander]

When it comes to the big fights it won't matter.
Unless it's clean no one in their right mind will recognize it.

[ikorolev]

When it comes to the big fights it won't matter.
Unless it's clean no one in their right mind will recognize it.

Even if it is not widely recognized, Bernard would still achieve his goals: the lawsuit was dropped and the IBF mandatory situation has been resolved for a while.

[KBB]

Logic. Guys 25 yrs younger are cheating their asses off. You think a 50 yr old man isnt? He needs it alot more than the younger guys do. I dont see how he can even compete without HGH or testosterone. He's 50! If he's truly 100% clean its unreal. I think guys get in the ring with him and pretty much assume he's on something. And they're OK with it b/c they are too, and he's twice their age. Hopkins way too smart and too diligent with what/when stuff goes into his body to get caught by today's pathetic piss testing. Not even the guys who are idiots get caught by the piss tests, unless they're really irresponsible.

What fighters at 25 years younger that are cheating their asses off but not getting caught?? Please explain your so called "LOGIC".

I think that until they have some testing done on Hopkins and the results are conclusive then your logic is just your own suspicions. Testing methods are much more sophisticated than some simple "piss test".

If you have something other than your own conjecture that lines up with facts then present it, otherwise you may as well not even bother.

If you're too stupid to understand how easy it is pass today's standard piss testing you're too stupid to even debate this topic with.

You think its a coincidence guys like Berto and Peterson never failed 60 piss tests but both failed the only VADA blood test they ever took? Not a coincidence. At all. Nor is it a coincidence blood tests are basically never used. They're too expensive. And too effective.

It isn't about stupidity because if that's the case then it's on your part because you were the one who stated this:

in an era where almost everyone cheats to some extent at age 25

If this is as rampant as you make it out to be, then why is it that there has only been a handful of fighters who has gotten caught since the methods to test are so surefire??

You're the one who's too stupid apparently based on your mindless assumptions.

[diddy]

^THIS^ is exactly what I'm talking about. Some boxing fans are too stupid to use their brains. Or read a thread's contents. I plainly stated that today's standard piss testing is surpassed by today's drugs and masking agents. And gave examples of guys who have passed over 60 worthless piss tests and failed the only blood test they ever took. Random blood is the only thing that's going to catch an educated doper. Unless they are egregious with their cycle, a scheduled piss test will not catch an athlete. More guys aren't getting caught because NO ONE WANTS TO PAY FOR BLOOD TESTS and the promoters don't want them used anyway. It's not hard to figure out why.

[Freedom2013]

I can't imagine Hopkins beating Kovalev is a fair fight.

But Hopkins is a master of dirty tactics, and his home referees have let him get away with deliberate head butts, pretending to be fouled, and other dirty stuff in the past - even against American fighters like Dawson and Wright.

"I took a lot of headbutts. Like I said though, he's a dirty fighter. It's what we worked for, we knew he was going to headbutt. He hit me with like eight headbutts. I kept my composure, but it was obvious that he was doing it on purpose."

- Chad Dawson in the post-fight interview

It's a Golden Boy promoted event, with four officials including the REFEREE from the same part of the country as Hopkins. B-Hop is part owner of Golden Boy. Sergey is from a country that a lot of middle-aged Americans dislike because of the Cold War of the 70s and 80s and propaganda movies like Rocky IV and Red Dawn.

I have a bad feeling something dirty is going down on Saturday. I pray Sergey Kovalev finds a way to prevail, despite the deck being stacked against him.

[diddy]

Kovalev getting robbed does nobody any good in the sport. Hopkins is 50 yrs old! HBO needs to have some damn fighters to showcase in the next 5-10 yrs. Kovalev, if he beats Hopkins, becomes one of those guys. If anything, it makes more sense to rob Bernard than the other way around. He's an old man. Just quit making your excuses already if Kovalev loses. If he loses it will be because Hopkins shut off his offense with his feints and tricks. When is the last time Hopkins won a decision that he shouldn't have won?

I eagerly await your answer. Even though I already know what is.

#Zero

[ikorolev]

The judges have been appointed: David Fields (ref) and 3 judges all from the East Coast:

http://www.BS.com/david-fields ... lev--83875?