who will chavez jr get more PPVs against?

[Bobbyptsd]

Can anyone imagine an American fighter selling out a stadium in the U.S. remotely the size of Wembley today?

Can anyone imagine a Kazakh fighter doing it? I hope that answers itself.

Golovkin is certainly a phenom, and he's certainly popular, but it doesn't really compare to Froch's ability to draw a crowd. Not now anyway.

I think it's hard for us to understand sometimes, because it's such a big deal to boxing fans. But go outside and do a little poll, ask people who Gennady Golovkin is, I'll wait.

[northern]

Can anyone imagine an American fighter selling out a stadium in the U.S. remotely the size of Wembley today?

Can anyone imagine a Kazakh fighter doing it? I hope that answers itself.

Golovkin is certainly a phenom, and he's certainly popular, but it doesn't really compare to Froch's ability to draw a crowd. Not now anyway.

I think it's hard for us to understand sometimes, because it's such a big deal to boxing fans. But go outside and do a little poll, ask people who Gennady Golovkin is, I'll wait.

well said, everyone who follows boxing will know him but mainstream media haven't given him any big press or attention. the everyday person has no idea who Golovkin is.

[ikorolev]

An opponent and location always matter. Golovkin is popular among Mexicans, so Rubio and California were better than Geale and NY.

[tiny_acres]

An opponent and location always matter. Golovkin is popular among Mexicans, so Rubio and California were better than Geale and NY.

Here are the facts:
• The Gennady Golovkin & Marco Antonio Rubio contest was staged in the US state of California.
• Gennady Golovkin & Marco Antonio Rubio had NEVER EVER fought in the state of California prior to the 18th October, 2014.
• Nonito Donaire had fought in California 13 times and it was his third time that he fought in Carson (the location of Golovkin-Rubio).
• Nonito Donaire grew up in California, got married there and currently lives there.
• Nonito Donaire is a popular fighter, because his fights against Arce, Rigondeaux & Darchinyan attracted 1.3m, 1.1m & 1m HBO viewers respectively.
• The supporting bout for Golovkin-Geale was Jennings-Perez, who split a $190K fight purse, with the HBO figures bringing in a disappointing 984K viewers.
• The supporting bout for Golovkin-Rubio was Donaire-Walters, who split a $575K fight purse, which drew 1.3m HBO viewers.
• Almost 1.2m HBO viewers watched the Donaire versus Walters fight.
• An average of 714K HBO viewers watched the Jennings-Perez supporting bout.

So do you really believe that HBO paying a big name Californian resident (Nonito Donaire) a massive purse to be involved in the supporting bout of Golovkin-Rubio, which was coincidentally staged in California, played no part whatsoever in the commercial success of the Golovkin-Rubio contest, when the fighters involved in the main event had NEVER EVER fought in that US state before?

You make very valid points.And back them up with statistics.Makes you think about it

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Frochs UK popularity doesnt do much for a US PPV. There may be an extra revenue stream from the UK PPV but Chavez doesnt care about that.

[Clint Magnum]

As for Fergusg, I'm curious. How much do these PPV telecasts run in the U.K? You say Froch and Groves attracted 900,000 buys when they last hooked up.
I'm assuming that the PPV prices are exceptionally cheap, compared to the U.S. to garner that many viewers for a fairly mundane matchup.
If the British PPV price tag was in the vicinity of $60+, as it often is here, I question whether Froch-Groves could do 100,000.

Carl Froch's rematch against George Groves was Britain's highest-grossing fight ever. Here are the stats (Source = Daily Mail & ESPN):
• Exchange Rate per £1 (as of the 6th August, 2014) = $1.68535
• Pay-Per-Vew (900K sales at $28.57 each) = $24,489,000
• Ticket Sales (77,000 at an average $131.46 each) = $10,122,420
• International TV Income = $1,000,000
• Sponsorship = $421,338
• Merchandising and Hospitality = $421,338
• Total = $36,454,095

• Purses for headliners (Froch $13,482,800 Groves $3,370,700) = $16,853,500
• Purses for key undercard fighters (Anthony Joshua & James DeGale) = $842,675

Here are some more interesting figures that should underline Carl Froch’s popularity:
• Forbes estimates Carl Froch’s net worth to be around $34m to $44m (biggest purse against Groves II at $13.5m).
• By the end of 2012, Celebrity Networth estimated Chavez Jr’s net worth to be around $4m (biggest purse against Martinez at $3m).
• Gennady Golovkin’s net worth has been estimated (by Sport Rich List) to be around $5.4m (biggest purse against Rubio at $900K).

Biggest US cable fights:
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. versus Marco Antonio Rubio - HBO, 1.9 million
• Gennady Golovkin versus Curtis Stevens – HBO, 1.4 million
• Carl Froch versus Mikkel Kessler II – HBO, 1.1 million (aired on a Saturday afternoon in the US, which is not considered prime time)

Note: I don’t have the figures for Froch’s fights against George Groves, but I believe they’re probably smaller than the numbers achieved by the Kessler rematch.

Here’s a list of Carl Froch’s biggest purses (as per his autobiography):
• Jermain Taylor – $600,000
• Super 6 Tournament – $750K to $1 Million Per fight
• Lucian Bute – $1 Million
• Mikkel Kessler (rematch) – $6 million
• George Groves (first fight) - $6 Million
• George Groves (rematch): $13.5 million

I don’t care what anyone thinks, purse size is usually proportionate to the size of the fan base that funds the payday, because it would not be economically viable to do so otherwise... and the money has to come from somewhere!

Bob Arum, says Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is more interested in accepting a fight with Carl Froch than he is in a possible fight with Gennady Golovkin:

"I think, realistically, the fight that Chavez would most like is with Carl Froch," Arum told BS.com.

Tom Loeffler claims that Carl Froch is an even bigger name than Andre Ward, because he said that Golovkin would move up to the super-middleweight division to fight the man from Nottingham, but not the S.O.G:

“Carl Forch is another one. He sold 80,000 tickets in Wembley stadium. Gennady would go to the UK and fight a guy like Froch. So while we have a lot of respect for Andre [Ward]...I just don’t think the finances are there right yet. It’s not a pay per view fight, Andre’s going to want a big chunk of money. And if Gennady goes up in weight, he’s going to want a big chunk of money and I just don’t think economically that’s going to work.”

Loeffer is quoted as saying: "I've reached out to Eddie Hearn and I said that Gennady will come to the United Kingdom to fight Carl Froch at 168lbs because he knows that he has a big numbers of supporters there."

When a fighter has such a sizeable fan-base and generates a lot of revenue, then it’s not really that surprising that both Golovkin and Chavez Jr. are clamouring for a fight against Carl Froch.

Excellent post. Froch would also bring around 30k fans to Vegas too.

[ponch]

Froch, easy.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Froch, easy.

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

[ttornado]

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

The OP didn't state a country, so what makes you think a Froch fight wouldn't do the largest worldwide PPV numbers?

[ponch]

Froch, easy.

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

When the Brits get behind a fighter they go pretty damn big. Not sure why you're discounting the UK ppv market?

Regardless of how they split it, that's a sizeable proven market added to the mix and Chavez doesn't struggle to attract the Mexican market does he?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

The OP didn't state a country, so what makes you think a Froch fight wouldn't do the largest worldwide PPV numbers?

Chavez himself would get none of the UK PPV. Seems like the thread asks what would be more profitable for Jr. That means HBO PPV, plus whatever Mexican TV proceeds, and GGG does better here than Froch

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Frochs UK popularity doesnt do much for a US PPV. There may be an extra revenue stream from the UK PPV but Chavez doesnt care about that.

Carl Froch’s fight against Mikkel Kessler gained more than one million HBO viewers, which was televised live in the US on a Saturday afternoon, which isn’t primetime viewing.

Why wouldn’t Chavez Jr. not care about UK PPV revenue, which could exceed the one million barrier? Are you privy to fight negotiations? Put it this way, Wladimir Klitschko received a cut of the UK’s Sky Box Office PPV revenue.

Similarly, Mayweather Jr. received a cut of the UK PPV revenue when he fought Ricky Hatton.

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

Do you actually know what Froch’s ratings are? I bet you’re guessing!

Froch may not have the same sort of US presence that Golovkin currently carries, but his figures are really good considering his fights are usually televised on a Saturday afternoon.

Also, Froch has the sort of personality to play the stereotypical pantomime villain to drive up mainstream interest from the English speaking audience. Gennady Golovkin really can’t do that, can he?

Chavez himself would get none of the UK PPV. Seems like the thread asks what would be more profitable for Jr. That means HBO PPV, plus whatever Mexican TV proceeds, and GGG does better here than Froch

You are not in any possession of any facts whatsoever! The only thing you’re doing is typing up a random sequence of words that are incoherent mess and bear no reflection to reality!

Froch Kessler got 1m over 2 telecasts combined. Afaik neither exceeded 600k, which is poor. Hes never sniffed 1m viewers.

Chavez is not Klitschko and would get no UK Ppv. Lets do an account bet on this. Imo youre worthless poster, and I'd be performing a public service by sending you packing

[ponch]

What makes you think so? Froch's TV ratings in the US have always been weak. Did you watch Ggg Rubio? Notice all those Mexican fans chanting Ggg?

The OP didn't state a country, so what makes you think a Froch fight wouldn't do the largest worldwide PPV numbers?

Chavez himself would get none of the UK PPV. Seems like the thread asks what would be more profitable for Jr. That means HBO PPV, plus whatever Mexican TV proceeds, and GGG does better here than Froch

Even if they split it that way (assuming you're saying Chavez would get the US ppv market and Froch the UK market), all of the US PPV buys against Froch would be more than half of the US PPV buys against GGG.

But who says that's how they would split it? You think Chavez is the B-side and has no bargaining power? Froch-Chavez Jr is a bigger event and sells more.